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johnhendry		#1 Posted : 06 November 2024 22:18:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/11/2024(UTC) Posts: 52 Location: Georgia, Atlanta		Guys, my dad as just moved over to live with me in the US and we finally have some space to build a new layout together. When we opened all the boxes we discovered that the CS is gone. We still have the 60va transformer and the connector rail but no cables and no CS. I found a CS on eBay that didn't come with any cables and I'm struggling to figure out what cables I need! Any help would be REALLY appreciated.
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JohnjeanB		#2 Posted : 06 November 2024 22:37:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/02/2011(UTC) Posts: 3,551 Location: Paris, France		Hi John A warm welcome to this great forum. Here a Märklin fan from Paris. I worked, lived in beautiful Atlanta and even have a house near the CDC and Emory uni. The power cables for a Märklin CS3, CS2 or CS1 are referenced E120723 You need two cables one for power and one for programming. They are approx 15€ to 17€ apiece The connector alone can be found here https://www.ebay.com/p/1227225416 The Märklin reference is E611719. 2 connectors for 6.00€ The same is also used on ESU Ecos units NOTE: when purchasing a CS3 or CS3+ two such cables are included. Cheers Jean
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johnhendry		#3 Posted : 06 November 2024 23:02:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/11/2024(UTC) Posts: 52 Location: Georgia, Atlanta		Jean, thank you SO much! Are you ever back in Atlanta? If you are please let me know! So to make sure I understand: These small plugs look like they connect to the transformer but the other side that goes into the CS is different. Also, the cable that goes from the CS1 to the connector track (24088) is different too. How do I do all the connections with only these connectors?
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JohnjeanB		#4 Posted : 06 November 2024 23:20:13(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/02/2011(UTC) Posts: 3,551 Location: Paris, France		Sorry John, the cables I mentioned earlier were for connecting the rail power output of the CS1 to the layout. Now the one you are looking for is the transformer to connect to the 60212 (CS1) I believe you are looking for a jack connector (but there are multiple types. If I am not mistaken the cable is this one, still available by Märklin https://www.maerklinshop.de/en/s...ug-with-wire-2-conductor NOTE: bringing your unit to an Electronic supply shop I am sure they could find the exact plug you need, only 2 poles and it is AC (18VAC) so no polarity required Cheers Jean
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johnhendry		#5 Posted : 06 November 2024 23:30:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/11/2024(UTC) Posts: 52 Location: Georgia, Atlanta		Okay, that's good. I think I can make one of those without any issues. So I have power to the CS and power to the track. What about the 9-pin connector that goes from the CS to the connector track (24088). Do I need that one?
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rhfil		#6 Posted : 07 November 2024 00:14:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/09/2014(UTC) Posts: 676 Location: NEW HAMPSHIRE, Somersworth		What was the input for the transformer? If it was built for a 220V input it probably will not provide sufficient power for the CS1.
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JohnjeanB		#7 Posted : 07 November 2024 00:38:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/02/2011(UTC) Posts: 3,551 Location: Paris, France		Originally Posted by: johnhendry Okay, that's good. I think I can make one of those without any issues. So I have power to the CS and power to the track. What about the 9-pin connector that goes from the CS to the connector track (24088). Do I need that one? If I remember correctly (sorry my 60212 is in its box somewhere since 15 years) there are in fact 2 connectors: - a 6 pole flat cable for S88 (6088) to be daisy-chained. The cables are provided with S88 - a 5 pole flatr cable connector for old-style boosters 6015 or 6017. The cables are provided with the 6015 or 6017. Both cables can be found on the internet Attention total length for 6088 S88 is limited to 2 meters total. Cheers Jean
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JohnjeanB		#8 Posted : 07 November 2024 00:49:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/02/2011(UTC) Posts: 3,551 Location: Paris, France		Originally Posted by: rhfil What was the input for the transformer? If it was built for a 220V input it probably will not provide sufficient power for the CS1. The Märklin transformer was 52 W was 6002 for the 230 VAC input (Europe). Secondary voltage was 16VAC but in reality unless fully loaded, with a 17VAC output voltage. 6003 for Australia. I have used PC power supplies (100W, 18 VDC HP or others) and the big advantage is the regulated voltage so locos always run at the imposed speed (no fluctuations) The drawback: the current protection is superfast and in some (few) cases may go faster than the CS1 current protection (it will rarely reboot). Cheers Jean
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johnhendry		#9 Posted : 07 November 2024 03:27:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/11/2024(UTC) Posts: 52 Location: Georgia, Atlanta		Originally Posted by: rhfil What was the input for the transformer? If it was built for a 220V input it probably will not provide sufficient power for the CS1. Our transformer is the 220V 60VA. I'm planning on using a regular set up transformer that will take it from 110 (US plugs) to 220V. Do you think that will work?
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johnhendry		#10 Posted : 07 November 2024 03:35:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/11/2024(UTC) Posts: 52 Location: Georgia, Atlanta		Originally Posted by: JohnjeanB Originally Posted by: johnhendry Okay, that's good. I think I can make one of those without any issues. So I have power to the CS and power to the track. What about the 9-pin connector that goes from the CS to the connector track (24088). Do I need that one? If I remember correctly (sorry my 60212 is in its box somewhere since 15 years) there are in fact 2 connectors: - a 6 pole flat cable for S88 (6088) to be daisy-chained. The cables are provided with S88 - a 5 pole flatr cable connector for old-style boosters 6015 or 6017. The cables are provided with the 6015 or 6017. Both cables can be found on the internet Attention total length for 6088 S88 is limited to 2 meters total. Cheers Jean Jean, I'm not actually using the S88 at all. The connector I'm thinking of is the one that connects the CS1 to the Connector Rail. I'm impressed that you can remember all of this detail with your 60212 being in a box for so long!
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rhfil		#11 Posted : 07 November 2024 03:37:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/09/2014(UTC) Posts: 676 Location: NEW HAMPSHIRE, Somersworth		I could be wrong but if a transformer is wired to reduce 230V to 16V wouldn't it cut 120V to 8V? If you plug 120V lamps and motors into 230V the lamps burn very bright before they burn out and motors run very fast. Like playing a 33 1/3 rpm record at 78 rpm.
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johnhendry		#12 Posted : 07 November 2024 03:42:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/11/2024(UTC) Posts: 52 Location: Georgia, Atlanta		Originally Posted by: rhfil I could be wrong but if a transformer is wired to reduce 230V to 16V wouldn't it cut 120V to 8V? If you plug 120V lamps and motors into 230V the lamps burn very bright before they burn out and motors run very fast. Like playing a 33 1/3 rpm record at 78 rpm. Surely everything after the transformer is ~18VDC anyway. I just have to make sure that my 220V Marklin Transformer is getting 220V, not 110V from the outlet, right?
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johnhendry		#13 Posted : 07 November 2024 03:46:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/11/2024(UTC) Posts: 52 Location: Georgia, Atlanta		Originally Posted by: rhfil What was the input for the transformer? If it was built for a 220V input it probably will not provide sufficient power for the CS1. Yes, the 60052 is the 220V version. I don't want to have to buy the 60055 (110V) because I THINK I can just use a cheaper 110V > 220V step up transformer between the outlet and the 60052. Jean mentioned also that a PC power supply might work so that actually might be even better. The main thing I'm still trying to figure out is the cable to connect the CS1 to the Connector Rail. I think it's the 60124 if anyone can confirm that?
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H0		#14 Posted : 07 November 2024 08:15:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,432 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: johnhendry What about the 9-pin connector that goes from the CS to the connector track (24088). Do I need that one? You can use that for easy plug'n'play, but apart from ease of use, there is no advantage over the two-pin connector for main track. The 9-pin connector is a unique feature of the CS1, but did not reappear with CS2 or CS3. So if you do not have the 9-pin cable, better get two two-pin plugs and the required feeder wires 74040. Track 24088 can be used like a regular 24188 if you do not connect anything to the box. 60124 is for MS1. You can use it to connect MS1s to your CS1, but it does not work for the track box.
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kiwiAlan		#15 Posted : 07 November 2024 14:12:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,456 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: johnhendry Originally Posted by: rhfil What was the input for the transformer? If it was built for a 220V input it probably will not provide sufficient power for the CS1. Yes, the 60052 is the 220V version. I don't want to have to buy the 60055 (110V) because I THINK I can just use a cheaper 110V > 220V step up transformer between the outlet and the 60052. Jean mentioned also that a PC power supply might work so that actually might be even better. The main thing I'm still trying to figure out is the cable to connect the CS1 to the Connector Rail. I think it's the 60124 if anyone can confirm that? You need to use a transformer, not a switch mode power supply, with the CS1, as it relies on having an AC input voltage. It will be fine to use a transformer to boost the 110V to 220V to supply the marklin transformer.
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kiwiAlan		#16 Posted : 07 November 2024 14:14:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,456 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: H0 Track 24088 can be used like a regular 24188 if you do not connect anything to the box. The ms1 connection will unclip off the track piece, and it can then used as a standard 24188
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H0		#17 Posted : 07 November 2024 15:31:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,432 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan You need to use a transformer, not a switch mode power supply, with the CS1, as it relies on having an AC input voltage. That's not true, the CS1 works better with a switched-mode DC power pack than with AC. Intellibox and 6020/6021 require AC.
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H0		#18 Posted : 07 November 2024 15:33:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,432 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Originally Posted by: H0 Track 24088 can be used like a regular 24188 if you do not connect anything to the box. The ms1 connection will unclip off the track piece, and it can then used as a standard 24188 The box does not interfere electrically, so if space allows, it can be used like a 24188 even with the box connected. The box has the nickname "ugly box" for a reason. It looks better with the box removed.
		Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS
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johnhendry		#19 Posted : 07 November 2024 16:02:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/11/2024(UTC) Posts: 52 Location: Georgia, Atlanta		Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Originally Posted by: johnhendry Originally Posted by: rhfil What was the input for the transformer? If it was built for a 220V input it probably will not provide sufficient power for the CS1. Yes, the 60052 is the 220V version. I don't want to have to buy the 60055 (110V) because I THINK I can just use a cheaper 110V > 220V step up transformer between the outlet and the 60052. Jean mentioned also that a PC power supply might work so that actually might be even better. The main thing I'm still trying to figure out is the cable to connect the CS1 to the Connector Rail. I think it's the 60124 if anyone can confirm that? You need to use a transformer, not a switch mode power supply, with the CS1, as it relies on having an AC input voltage. It will be fine to use a transformer to boost the 110V to 220V to supply the marklin transformer. Okay, thank you Kiwi Alan. It sounds easier to go with the two 2-pin connectors but can you explain exactly where each of those wires connect to on the CS1 and track side?
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rhfil		#20 Posted : 07 November 2024 18:21:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/09/2014(UTC) Posts: 676 Location: NEW HAMPSHIRE, Somersworth		If the CS1 is a 60212 you might want to download the manual: https://www.manualslib.c...ation.html?page=3#manual
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johnhendry		#21 Posted : 18 November 2024 15:28:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/11/2024(UTC) Posts: 52 Location: Georgia, Atlanta		Well it turns out that in the end the CS1 that we got used was faulty so we're going to return that and upgrade to the CS3 (non plus). Looks like the only option for powering the CS3 is another $100 for the 60045 power pack. Are there any other choices that you guys would recommend?
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marklinist5999		#22 Posted : 18 November 2024 16:22:05(UTC) Retweet
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