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Offline Harvey  
#1 Posted : 25 July 2024 03:11:47(UTC)
Harvey

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Suddenly the front lights do not work, though the CS2 is set to have them on. In looking at the parts diagram I do not see which part is actually creating the light and how to get to that part. Also, I don't see how to open the locomotive so as to get to that part. Appreciate advice.

Regards
Harvey
Offline Harvey  
#2 Posted : 25 July 2024 14:52:08(UTC)
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37981 Gattung B VI.pdf (4,580kb) downloaded 25 time(s).

I loaded the parts manual for the 37981. Hopefully someone will see what I don't.

Regards
Harvey
Offline rhfil  
#3 Posted : 25 July 2024 15:36:47(UTC)
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I have a CS3 so not sure what you can do with a CS2 but since that is a fairly recent mfx loco the first thing I would try is resetting it.
Offline Crazy Harry  
#4 Posted : 25 July 2024 22:05:28(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Harvey Go to Quoted Post
37981 Gattung B VI.pdf (4,580kb) downloaded 25 time(s).

I loaded the parts manual for the 37981. Hopefully someone will see what I don't.

Regards
Harvey


Item 7 is the light source pcb and two item 4s 'conduct' the light to the lanterns (item 1) in the diagram provided.

As to getting to this part, I can't really help. Is the removal of the two long screws, item 16, enough to remove the boiler? Or do you have to removed the two item 10 screws as well (are these even accessible without a complete disassembly of the undercarriage?)?

Hope this helps a little. Cheers,

Harold.

Offline Harvey  
#5 Posted : 26 July 2024 13:53:59(UTC)
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Harold
Thanks for pointing out those findings/suggestions. I have to research further as this loc seems very complicated, likely due to the small size and compact design.

Regards
Harvey
Offline JohnjeanB  
#6 Posted : 26 July 2024 14:29:55(UTC)
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Hi Harvey
This 37981 MFX / MM2 Märklin loco was designed in 2013
Looking at the exploded view diagram, the headlights are plugged in and the LEDs are on the PCB
As said before, a reset of the loco is very advisable, especially with the recent v2.5.1 and v2.5.2 CS3 upgrades which "modified" the MFX loco's firmware (caused some disruptions on my layout).
Most problems when away ON MÄRKLIN locos with re-registration but NOT on the only MFX ESU decoder I have (LokSound 5 micro) no more headlight, no matter what I do and me inspecting the few hundred of CVs.

To open the loco seems a delicate thing: only on a clean work table, a foam bed, a lighted magnifier and a Märklin tool set with better twizers (clock work grade)
See page 28 of the user's manual
https://static.maerklin....c63a55cae01434541776.pdf
If you have not skilled hands used to delicate work, I suggest you avoid doing it
Here is how to open it
Sans titre.png
This is to check if the LED on the PCB is lit or damaged
Cheers
Jean
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Offline rhfil  
#7 Posted : 26 July 2024 18:37:34(UTC)
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I would not dare to open that loco up without first trying every other possible solution. Including looking to see if the cv settings can impact the lights. I have the same loco and will put it on my programming track to look at the cv's.My problem is I have a CS3 and am not sure how the CS2 handles loco edit and even if "Set Up" is an available option. The problem might not even be in the loco as the decoder is in the tender.
That loco has an unusual feature - unusual in that it is uncommon in most locos. the f1 function sends power through the coupling to activate lighting in the consist. Not sure how that will show up in the cv's.
Offline rhfil  
#8 Posted : 26 July 2024 19:29:12(UTC)
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With the CS3 it is possible to change the functioning of the lights. It is an odd feature which I will not detail as I have no idea if t works on a CS2 nor if the individual is willing to explore what it does. However it appears to be feasible using the mapping function.
Offline rhfil  
#9 Posted : 26 July 2024 21:35:37(UTC)
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Using the mapping function of the CS3 you have the following capabilities for the loco front lights and rear lights separately. On or off and when on either going forward, in reverse, or both. So it is quite possible that somehow the front lights were turned off.
Offline Harvey  
#10 Posted : 26 July 2024 23:04:24(UTC)
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To all,

Thank you for all the suggestions and in particular the advice not to open if not highly skilled. I am not highly skilled (though I have done maintenance on several other locomotives) and feared opening this particular one. I have a CS2 and am not sure how to do a reset. If a reset is as follows - remove the locomotive from the tracks, delete the locomotive from the CS2 and then place the locomotive on the track to be reinstalled. That would be simple. Is that a reset?

Thanks again.
Harvey
Offline rhfil  
#11 Posted : 27 July 2024 00:38:54(UTC)
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You can try that but I am not sure if that completely deletes the loco data from the CS. If it does not work I will walk you through the procedure on a CS3 and you can look to see if it is also available with a CS2. First you should have a programming track. And place the loco on the track. Then find the "Edit loco" tab and click it. Then find the 37981 and click on it. That brings you to a screen with three tabs. Click on the "Set Up" tab and that brings you to a screen with a box in the lower left that says "Loco Reset". You click on that and just follow the instructions. I belong to a club ETE-ENE which has some members in Connecticut and N.Y.. I will look up Glen Oaks and see if you are near any of them who has a CS3. I am only familiar with the CS2 as a slave unit when we operate our club layout.
Offline rhfil  
#12 Posted : 27 July 2024 00:50:38(UTC)
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I found the above video which covers a CS2 loco changes. On the bottom of the screen which comes up when you click on the wrench there us a box with "rst" which I think must stand for restore. That should be the same as the restore on the CS3. N.Y. State is huge.
Offline JohnjeanB  
#13 Posted : 27 July 2024 00:52:50(UTC)
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Hi Harvey
Recent Märklin MFX locos have 2 tools:
- one is deletion of the loco in the CS2. It re-initialize partly the loco and forces a new registration
- the other one is to access the loco by the CS2, then select the wrench signal to do some editing


Then you get a screen like this
Sans titre.png

There are 2 keys circled:
- the one in red is to re-initialize the loco to factory setting NOTE: the sounds are NOT changed even on a mSD3 decoder This will force a new MFX registration on your CS2
- the one circled in pink is used to update the decoder firmware. I suggest you do this only when you have serious problems

On recent Märklin locos the mapping is a very powerful tool and controls
- physical outputs characteristics: steady, blinking, pulsating, amplitude / brightness, telex, Mars light, etc
- sound fonctions: individual volume
- logic fonctions
- conditions on ANY fonction: forwards, reverse, moving, stopped

Here, for instance the individual volume adjustment on sound fonctions
CS2 CV Edit Fonction Sound levels.png

and here the mapping of fonctions (assignment of fonction keys to physical fonctions, sound fonctions, SUSI fonctions (motorised pantographs, motorized coal level and much more.
Sans titre.png

These are poor examples of what MAPPING is but also how garbling with it (e.g.: the new CS3 updates 2.5.1 and 2.5.2 ) can change the physical and soun d fonctions

Having both a CS2 and CS3 I work only on the CS3 (the CS2 programming track output is dead) but I know first hand that the recent changes on Mapping is reflected on both the CS2 and the CS3

Note: all above screen are copies from my CS2 v4.3.0 (11)
Cheers
Jean
Offline Harvey  
#14 Posted : 29 July 2024 02:27:03(UTC)
Harvey

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Again, appreciate everyone's input. First, yes, NY is a very large state. Especially if one lives near one corner (like NYC) and want to travel to the other end.

I did do a reset and the light still does not work. Oddly, my GG1 has the same issue, one light does not operate. I do have the latest software as noted my John.

I am not going to open the loc. Will just live with this. I do have to reprogram my shuttle route. The 37981 travel over a viaduct from my 'upper village' to my 'adventure land'. Will continue to look good, even without the front headlight.

Regarsd
Harvey
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Offline rhfil  
#15 Posted : 29 July 2024 06:07:58(UTC)
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Do the rear lights work when the loco goes into reverse?
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Offline Harvey  
#16 Posted : 29 July 2024 14:43:04(UTC)
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Yes, the rear lights do work.
Harvey
Offline rhfil  
#17 Posted : 29 July 2024 15:49:46(UTC)
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And did you do a reset with the CS2 or merely delete and reregister the loco. The problem is I don't know whether the reset accesses the original factory settings of the loco without the CS being connected to the internet or if there is someplace that the original CVs are stored. And I have no idea what the actual CV is for the front lights to work nor how to change them without a CS3.
Offline Harvey  
#18 Posted : 29 July 2024 17:13:51(UTC)
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I did do a reset on the programming track. I have also written a note to Marklin Service. But they will take some time to respond. I do have my CS2 connected to the internet but I am not sure what it is doing when it goes through the reset process.



Offline rhfil  
#19 Posted : 29 July 2024 17:25:39(UTC)
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According to Rick Sinclair, a Marklin USA employee. a Marklin mfx loco does not need to be on the programming track and the factory reset is stored in the decoder so no outside connection is necessary. He would be a good source for repairs if that is your decision
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