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Offline zeke046  
#1 Posted : 19 July 2024 09:08:59(UTC)
zeke046

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hello--i just got an old marklin set,my first after regular ho--i have boxes of track,8 cars ,2 locos--cm and tm 800--8 switches and related switch gear plus a dozen 446 street lamps and other misc parts--set has been inactive since 50's--wheels turn on locos but not too well--should i apply current to switches or do something else?--i'm a novice at marklin but have always wanted a 3 rail set--will build separate layout for this--not sure how to get power to tracks--many boxes to look through--thank you for any advice,i'm old and like analog--no desire to upgrade

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Offline JohnjeanB  
#2 Posted : 19 July 2024 10:34:40(UTC)
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Hi (a first name would be great)
A warm welcome to this great forum.
Here a Mäklin fan since a long time (1961).
Historic post-war Märklin is fantastic and almost indestructible.

How to get loco to work?
Light touch: if the wheel are turning, I suggest you add a little Märklin oil (winter grade car oil is fine on old Märklin)
Then you install the loco upside down and let it run at medium speed while using a cotton bud with Isopropylic Alcool , clean the wheel. AVOID touching paint and body with alcool.
Clean the residue with a dry cotton bud.

The heavy touch
Sans titre.png

Locos TM800, RM800 and RSM800 share the same chassis
To open:
- remove the lamp holder (small screw between both lamps
- remove the screws circled in red


ATTENTION Unlike what is shown on the video, you must be very careful when opening the motor as there are 2 thin wires between the brush holder and the inductor. They are very easy to break!
Cheers
Jean
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#3 Posted : 19 July 2024 12:04:33(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: zeke046 Go to Quoted Post
--not sure how to get power to tracks--


Suggest you take a look at some of the booklets in this thread - https://www.marklin-user...ns---requested-documents

Specifically, the "Connecting Electric Railways" books, the "Eckert Engineering Marklin Wiring Booklet" and the "Marklin Miniature Railway Handbook"
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Offline hxmiesa  
#4 Posted : 19 July 2024 15:15:42(UTC)
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Oh, I thought that the company had been sold again. So Simba-Dickie is still the owner then??? ;-)
Best regards
Henrik Hoexbroe ("The Dane In Spain")
http://hoexbroe.tripod.com
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Offline zeke046  
#5 Posted : 22 July 2024 09:54:14(UTC)
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hi name is zeke thank you for your help--maybe you can help with another matter--this set had no transformer,i see different voltages available--16 volt seems most common--any way to know for sure which transformer to buy? i've read that old blue transformers are potentially dangerous--what do you think?thank you all for your help
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#6 Posted : 22 July 2024 11:37:14(UTC)
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I don't know if there is a current 120 volt transformer for the US market, but the 6646 is listed as a 120 volt version.

Checking the Marklin website, I see 6646 is still current and in stock at the Marklin factory, so you should be able to find them on ebay or at a US dealer.

The blue metal case transformers especially the old 280A transformers may be dangerous so best to have them checked by an electrician first before using them. See the following thread:

https://www.marklin-users.net/forum/posts/t32687-

In the first thread above that I referred you to there are links to some of the Marklin catalogs up to 2010. These may be useful to you in answering some of your questions.
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Offline zeke046  
#7 Posted : 31 July 2024 09:20:07(UTC)
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hi can you tell which trains are compatible with 3 rail? will the newer cars connect to older cars? last question --are their other companies equipment that can be used on my set? thank you for any help--my first foray into 3 rail marklin,i've had ho for years
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Offline marklinist5999  
#8 Posted : 31 July 2024 11:35:07(UTC)
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Look at the wheels. 3 rail wheels are not insulated from the axle on one side. Two rail wheels are. You'll see a plastic sleeve on the inside of one wheel. Some older cars couple to new ones. The relex couplers are metal and larger than the close couplers. They may stay together on level track, but not on grades. The distance from buffer to buffer is different too.
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Offline zeke046  
#9 Posted : 03 August 2024 09:56:44(UTC)
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on 3 rail,what type of plugs are used to make connections between tracks and accessories?
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Offline marklinist5999  
#10 Posted : 03 August 2024 13:05:21(UTC)
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On M track, which was discontinued in the year 2000, signals get power from the center positive rail studs with a slide on spade type connector and wire. Ground contact was by the metal signal base and a clip that slid onto the track bed. Control boxes connect with either old or new style color keyed male and female plugs. Turnouts only had wires to the control boxes, not sockets like the 🚦 signals. A paper third rail insulator was used for M track to isolate signal block sections.
Have you searched online for the Marklin handbook? It describes basic wiring and connection for the system.
C track uses spade connectors for both positive and ground track terminals.
Very old M track feeder tracks and signals had sockets on the roadbed for plugs and wires to connect. Later M feeder track from the transformer had permanently connected wires attached.
K track connections are similar to C track. Plastic sleeper ties, no roadbed.
With the newer digital system, minimal wiring is required to connect accessories as they can get power from the track, and the digital signals which are fed from either an MS 2 or CS 3 controller. Turnout decoders can be mounted inside the turnout base, or use an M 83 accessory decoder which does then require wires from it to the turnouts. 76Xxxx series signals have their own decoders which lie under the track bed, or can be mounted below the layout base. Non mfx color light signals can use M 83 decoders.
Offline zeke046  
#11 Posted : 08 September 2024 10:15:06(UTC)
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hi--i have the very old m track with the sockets on the roadbed-- i have 2 ?--what color boxes are from early m track--i see red,blue and no color---will later locos and cars work on my track? i'm trying to use everything as originally designed,no interest in decoders and such--i have accumulated a lot of track and switches,slowly building my layout--some of my track does not have the cutouts for wires but otherwise looks the same as the rest--any difference? thank you for any help,new at old marklin--thank you
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Offline zeke046  
#12 Posted : 08 September 2024 10:32:19(UTC)
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btw--can anyone recommend a book that explains early m track and accessories wiring--thank you
Offline JohnjeanB  
#13 Posted : 08 September 2024 12:15:18(UTC)
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Hi Zeke
Here is link to description of early Märklin OO / HO boxing
https://marklinstop.com/2010/11/...marklin-boxes-1935-1956/
In early 50s cartons were grey and thick with only a label at the end
Later 1952 or so, "Rautenkartons" appeared in grey with dark red lozanges bicycle Märklin logo (for locos and wagons). Same design but with printing in green or blue for tracks
Here is an example of blue Rautenkartons for track around 1954
Sans titre.png
Rauten Karton logo and box for locos (here a mix of carton and wood box 1951
G800.png
later around 1960 appeared coloured boxes (rails in light blue except for wide circle in orange, accessories in yellow
I know there is a presentation of these types on the Internet but could not find it
Cheers
Jean
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Offline zeke046  
#14 Posted : 18 September 2024 09:51:40(UTC)
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hi--my layout is using 3 rail m track--are the cars and later tracks compatible with early m? i 'm talking about 3 rail where it's just segments instead of an actual rail--thanks to everyone for your help!!
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Offline JohnjeanB  
#15 Posted : 18 September 2024 10:49:46(UTC)
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Hi
M track is compatible with recent locos and cars PROVIDED:
- the early turnouts with large lanterns are not used (collide with long cars)
- the tracks are inspected before use for bent ballast bed, then cleaned and rust removed (rail surface and top of rails
- the counter-rails on turnouts are inspected / adjusted so that "modern" axles do not bump on the frog center.
- the joiners are refurbished : made straight and tightened using long nose pliers and a piece to avoid squeezing too much the joiners
- contact track absence (except for grade crossing extension tracks may pose a problem (but there are solutions.
- the industrial track is to be reserved to short vehicles

Notes:
- I used M track for years in digital and its worked very fine
- even today some C track articles are NOT compatible with long vehicles (e.g. the R1 bridge for C Track)

Cheers
Jean
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Offline scraigen  
#16 Posted : 18 September 2024 15:22:09(UTC)
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Some pages from the 1980 catalog re M-Track
Screenshot 2024-09-18 at 14.18.12.png (1,733kb) downloaded 17 time(s).

Standard wiring
wiring.jpg
Must build something
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Offline zeke046  
#17 Posted : 28 September 2024 08:28:51(UTC)
zeke046

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thanks to everyone for their help--one more ? --what's the best way to clean old track and bridges? is scotch-brite too aggressive? how shiny does the center rail have to be?--thanks
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Offline ccranium  
#18 Posted : 28 September 2024 08:43:28(UTC)
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I've been using CRC QD (Quick Dry) Electronics Cleaner for a few years (blue can); it doesn't leave any residue and dries quickly. Use lint free towels and lots of Q-tips. It's also safe on paints.

If you have rust or oxidation which doesn't come off with the CRC QD, then very light use of a blue scotch-brite should work. The green is more aggressive than the blue.

Home Depot used to carry the CRC QD (and may still show it on their website) but they've substituted it with something else which isn't residue-free imo. I've bought it on eBay and Amazon recently in the aerosol cans. Spray some into the can's cap and then dip the q-tips, or spray directly on the track or bridge and then wipe with until clean. Great for wheels, sliders, axles and motor rebuilds also!
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Offline zeke046  
#19 Posted : 30 September 2024 09:07:26(UTC)
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thank you--have alot of track to evaluate
Offline zeke046  
#20 Posted : 01 October 2024 08:39:18(UTC)
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is all m-track compatible--3 rail or studs?
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Offline marklinist5999  
#21 Posted : 01 October 2024 12:57:48(UTC)
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Yes, unless it's Trix metal two rail track. Now Trix Express was a d.c. three rail system.
Offline ccranium  
#22 Posted : 01 October 2024 14:48:17(UTC)
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While 3-rail and stud M-track are compatible with each other, some of the old pickup shoes on loks and wagons with lighting may not like the studs. The older shoes which look like spoons tend to get caught on some studs, so replacing those with the newer, longer sliders can eliminate the problem.
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