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Marklineisenbahn		#1 Posted : 21 March 2024 15:13:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 287 Location: New York City		Hallo Model Train Enthusiasts, Soooo today I have a intriguing picture of famous CIWL Nord Express from Epoch II circa 1936… [ recently LS Models released superb set of this train hence my question] As per caption above it states that Nord Express is being pulled by German Pacific Lokomotive BR01 But picture doesn’t show ( it doesn’t look like ) DRG BR01 for sure. Any idea, clues what it is ? And finally What would be in your opinion good locomotive to pull such train in France / Germany/Poland ? P.S. In my humble opinion it’s ex Prussian P8 ( Passenger ) locomotive or early S10 but I need to hear your thoughts/ comments on this one. Photo is genuine authentic from Karl Belingrod’s collection! Waiting for comments… Regards, Marklineisenbahn

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bph		#2 Posted : 21 March 2024 16:11:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/08/2018(UTC) Posts: 996		Originally Posted by: Marklineisenbahn Hallo Model Train Enthusiasts, Soooo today I have a intriguing picture of famous CIWL Nord Express from Epoch II circa 1936… [ recently LS Models released superb set of this train hence my question] As per caption above it states that Nord Express is being pulled by German Pacific Lokomotive BR01 But picture doesn’t show ( it doesn’t look like ) DRG BR01 for sure. Any idea, clues what it is ? And finally What would be in your opinion good locomotive to pull such train in France / Germany/Poland ? P.S. In my humble opinion it’s ex Prussian P8 ( Passenger ) locomotive or early S10 but I need to hear your thoughts/ comments on this one. Photo is genuine authentic from Karl Belingrod’s collection! Waiting for comments… Regards, Marklineisenbahn hi It's a br 17(1066?) acoring to this post: https://www.marklin-users.net/forum/posts/m656419-Marklin-New-Items-2023#post656419 (former S 10.1) and Marklin has several models of models of the s10.0/17.0 eg 37197 more about the S 10:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_S_10

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Marklineisenbahn		#3 Posted : 21 March 2024 17:12:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 287 Location: New York City		Thanks , I thought so , that locomotive in picture looks like BR17 [ S10.) not BR01 for sure. In regards to Märklin S10 ( don’t know how is a newest version) but old KPEV S10 from Kaisers set was a Hog. I definitely prefer Fleischmann KPEV S10 instead.. Once you get rid off that nasty speaker in the cab it’s over all good running S10 which I can’t say about Märklin one. Again thank you for taking time to reply and for confirmation of my suspicions. Regards, Marklineisenbahn Edited by user 21 March 2024 23:03:55(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

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bph		#4 Posted : 21 March 2024 23:36:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/08/2018(UTC) Posts: 996		Originally Posted by: Marklineisenbahn Hi BPH, Thanks , I thought so , that locomotive in picture looks like BR17 [ S10.) not BR01 for sure. In regards to Märklin S10 ( don’t know how is a newest version) but old KPEV S10 from Kaisers set was a Hog. I definitely prefer Fleischmann KPEV S10 instead.. Once you get rid off that nasty speaker in the cab it’s over all good running S10 which I can’t say about Märklin one. Again thank you for taking time to reply and for confirmation of my suspicions. Regards, Marklineisenbahn Your Fleischmann S10 looks quite nice. I do have the 37197, but I don't have any of the old version Marklin s-10 so I can't compare the running characteristic. But in the "new" 37197, Marklin has used a "standard" last generation motor, or according to Marklin "New propulsion concept". I hope that Marklin will use the moulds for the new Edleweis set, to also make a Nord Express set (Paris -Copenhagen). If that happens I will use it with my E 991 39491 (even if the era is not correct) and occasionally my 37197. Danish Nord Express video: https://www.danmarkpaafilm.dk/film/til-danmark-over-de-store-broer the motor in my 37197:

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Marklineisenbahn		#5 Posted : 22 March 2024 02:32:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 287 Location: New York City		Originally Posted by: bph Originally Posted by: Marklineisenbahn Hi BPH, Thanks , I thought so , that locomotive in picture looks like BR17 [ S10.) not BR01 for sure. In regards to Märklin S10 ( don’t know how is a newest version) but old KPEV S10 from Kaisers set was a Hog. I definitely prefer Fleischmann KPEV S10 instead.. Once you get rid off that nasty speaker in the cab it’s over all good running S10 which I can’t say about Märklin one. Again thank you for taking time to reply and for confirmation of my suspicions. Regards, Marklineisenbahn Your Fleischmann S10 looks quite nice. I do have the 37197, but I don't have any of the old version Marklin s-10 so I can't compare the running characteristic. But in the "new" 37197, Marklin has used a "standard" last generation motor, or according to Marklin "New propulsion concept". I hope that Marklin will use the moulds for the new Edleweis set, to also make a Nord Express set (Paris -Copenhagen). If that happens I will use it with my E 991 39491 (even if the era is not correct) and occasionally my 37197. Danish Nord Express video: https://www.danmarkpaafilm.dk/film/til-danmark-over-de-store-broer the motor in my 37197: Hi Bph, Well, original Märklin S10 was to light and didn’t have enough traction to pull 6 Kaiser Hoffzug cars on slight gradient.Due to plenty of complaints Märklin even start selling extra led weight which unhappy owners could attach under cab roof - but it was not enough in my opinion. My Fleischmann KPEV S10 came with big suitcase … And I liked details but mentioned earlier speaker was annoying! Don’t get me wrong Sound was Ok only lack of room in tender forced Fleischmann engineers to put speaker in the cab. 😝 Sorry guys- DONT KNOW if video is going to transfer properly!!! Link is below; S10 clip I took boiler and cab off so you could see clearly what I meant! Speaker is on cab floor just before tender …clip below; S10 Sound Regards, Marklineisenbahn Edited by moderator 24 March 2024 00:52:39(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

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bph		#7 Posted : 23 March 2024 23:43:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/08/2018(UTC) Posts: 996		This site has some more information:(use google translate or similar) http://www.nostalgiazapara.pl/nord-ekspress-w-polsce

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