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Offline jonquinn  
#1 Posted : 29 July 2006 18:52:15(UTC)
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ETE is having their Eurotrains East this weekend (Aug 5-6) in Marietta, PA - just south of Harrisburg, PA (and Three Mile Island).
Its pretty easy to find, and in my opinion, it last year's show was a significant improvement over the one I attended in 2004 (only been to these two so far). Hopefully they will continue to keep this thing growing.
Last year they had a very nice, and large modular HO layout in 3-rail, another in DC, as well as an N scale. Many vendors too, including some of the familiar marklin dealers.
Offline rschaffr  
#2 Posted : 06 August 2006 22:20:54(UTC)
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Just got back from Euro East. My impression was that it was small and not very well attended, but I was there Sunday morning. Might have been better on Saturday, but I could not go then. I enjoyed examining the layouts that were presented, including a nice module with Sommerfeldt catenary installed. The highlight for me was to spend some time with Jeff Stimson while I got some stick time on a CS (finally!) driving Jeff's VT08.5 around a small layout. More on my impressions on the CS and the VT08 in the appropriate threads. As to the show, it was smaller than I expected, but worth the trip. Jeff gave a very good and informative presentation on the new Marklin (aka Viessmann) catenary and other things Marklin. I have to admit that after talking with Jeff I have a much better feeling about the future of Marklin. Could be salesmanship, but he soothed my feelings about the future. This was my first time to EuroEast. I have planned to go each of the past several years, but always got preempted. I will probably try to attend next year. It was worth the 180 mile round trip.
-Ron
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Offline verheyen  
#3 Posted : 06 August 2006 22:51:00(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by rschaffr
<br />Just got back from Euro East. My impression was that it was small and not very well attended, but I was there Sunday morning.


Well, made the trip down and back (300 ea way) on Saturday and the biggest excitement was the 10+ mile long backup in Scranton-Wilkes Barre where one spent more time parked than inching forward. Got to EE around 2pm and was appalled by how deserted it was. Entrance was in the same spot but they took over even more space and had far less vendors and layouts than last year. 8 vendors (George Kuhn, Euro Train Hobby &lt;http://www.eurotrainhobby.com/&gt;, Nolan & Rogers, Eisenbahn Trains &lt;http://www.eisentrains.com&gt; , individuals selling their wares, among them our own Gordon). Märklin was there with some of their (and Trix) items as well. There were also 3 layouts (traction, Keystone's which was quite nice, Lego). This is down significantly from last year when I counted many more vendors and at least 4 more modules, including Errol Kubicki's. I picked up some things I had requested from Euro Train Hobby, but other than that, it was deader than dead. As we say in German, total tote Hose. A good set of pictures of all the past EuroEast shows can be found at http://www.macbeth66.com/markli...y/places_and_events.html.

I think one of the biggest problems was that everyone was scattered about the venue (a school) and there was no center, as there was last year. Simply put, there was not much to see at all. Expanding the amount of space, especially in that venue was not smart. They would have been better off sticking everyone into the gym and making it look fuller. VERY depressing. How was it with the MEA meet there. One of my ETE Chapter members, Gordon Davis was selling (two tables up from Märklin) and I'm sure I'll get the full report from the vendors perspective tonight.

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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:This was my first time to EuroEast. I have planned to go each of the past several years, but always got preempted. I will probably try to attend next year. It was worth the 180 mile round trip.


ETE needs to do something about finding an alternative venue. Perhaps working with Eastern New England and some of the New York groups, or down towards Baltimore, to move it to a bigger show and have a Euro corner. If EE is in the same locale (and run by the same group) next year, I will definitely NOT attend. Simply not worth the gas. It was my third trip down and by far the deadest. The first one was well attended by vendors and attendees when I was there, skipped the second, had my switching puzzle there last year, and then yesterday. I was in and out in under an hour. Only counted about 5 or so non show folks there. My only regret, not taking pictures... It's really too bad, especially for everyone who put in tons of work to stage the show. How many MEA tables were there.

My thoughts.

Going to head into the basement now, switch couplers on the beautiful Sachsenmodelle DR coach I got and try to figure out my wiring issue on the tram line so I can run new Beka tram I got, http://www.eurotrainhobby.com/p...rs_id/2/products_id/1797.

p.
Offline rschaffr  
#4 Posted : 06 August 2006 23:03:52(UTC)
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Peter: I honestly thought that Saturday would have been better attended. I was there at opening (9am) today and didn't expect crowds. After the poor showing of both displays and visitors at the NMRA show several weeks ago, I didn't expect anything like I have grown to expect at places like the Munich Messe. Face it, for Euro Rail hobbyists, the population and choices are pretty slim on this side of the pond. It was one of the few opportunities I got to talk Euopean trains face to face with someone else. Getting about 15 minutes driving a VR08.5 with a CS and talking at length with Jeff Stimson was worth the trip alone.
-Ron
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Offline steventrain  
#5 Posted : 07 August 2006 00:36:04(UTC)
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Any pictures of Eurotrains 2006?
Large Marklinist 3- Rails Layout with CS2/MS2/Boosters/C-track/favorites Electric class E03/BR103, E18/E118, E94, Crocodiles/Steam BR01, BR03, BR05, BR23, BR44, BR50, Big Boy.
Offline verheyen  
#6 Posted : 07 August 2006 01:48:59(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by rschaffr
<br />Peter: I honestly thought that Saturday would have been better attended. I was there at opening (9am) today and didn't expect crowds. After the poor showing of both displays and visitors at the NMRA show several weeks ago, I didn't expect anything like I have grown to expect at places like the Munich Messe.


Well, geez. Nothing, and I mean nothing compares to the Messe. It's like dying and going to heaven. Seriously though, the reason I went yesterday was that I was hoping to see more crowds, but it wasn't so. I know that for indoor events in summer one is supposed to hope for rain, but I don't think it would have helped. Even the little regional/local shows around here draw more vendors, exhibitors, and attendees, and even though we're the only non-Euros around we get a good response.

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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Face it, for Euro Rail hobbyists, the population and choices are pretty slim on this side of the pond. It was one of the few opportunities I got to talk Euopean trains face to face with someone else. Getting about 15 minutes driving a VR08.5 with a CS and talking at length with Jeff Stimson was worth the trip alone.


Very true regarding talking to other Euro train fans. But I also like to see other things like dioramas, modules, vendors... The pickings were very slim this year, and if an event wants to cater to Euros from a wide region there better be stuff worth seeing. I mostly felt bad for the exhibitors and vendors. Glad you had a good time with Jeff. I still remember fondly the roasting he got (not that he could do anything about it) for the MFX/analog incompatibility. In essence, I would rather be a small fish who likes funny trains in a big pond than a large fish all by myself. I think piggybacking of one of the bigger mid-Atlantic/Northeast shows and having a Eurocorner with modules and vendors all together would bring us much more attention, and we could still hang out amongst ourselves. At the same time we'd show the public and each other that there are more facets to the hobby.

I just hope the concept gets very thoroughly reviewed. I know the Keystone Chapter folks are very heavily invested in it and the venue, and I know how hard it is to pull together an event like this. However vendors I spoke to are going to think VERY hard about next year, and most have a feeling as to which way the decision is going to go.

So, how many vendors were there today?

In regards to pictures, no idea when some will be posted...

p.
Offline jonquinn  
#7 Posted : 07 August 2006 02:36:52(UTC)
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eisentrains must have split after saturday. they were not there on sunday morning as far as I could tell.
I did get to buy a HAG Re460 from George Kuhn. That made the trip worthwhile for me, as well as stopping to buy some Chambersburg peaches on the way home.
I was also a little dissappointed by the turnout in vendors. when I got there sunday around 11, George was the only retailer there, along with a few collectors selling used stuff. One guy did have a pretty good assortment, but nothing that was a must buy. There are several retailers not far (Ott, Eurotrains, Modelbahn Collectors, etc). Kind of a tough time of year to get much attendance maybe, although there appeared to be more cars in the parking lot than people in the building it looked like.
I thought the wide spread was a little odd too, given how few tables there were - maybe kind of a Sun Tzu thing?
I was also thinking that the way to go would be to set up at or near one of the big regional shows - maybe like one of the Timonium shows.
Offline rschaffr  
#8 Posted : 07 August 2006 03:00:17(UTC)
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Might help. Peter, yes, I could count the vendors on one hand, missing a few fingers. Perhaps George will be the only one next year. Jon: Nolan and Rogers from Scranton were there, also. I guess I am so starved to talk to someone face to face about my passion, it doesn't matter how slim it is. All I know is that when we were leaving, my wife asked if I wanted to go back and I said "probably".

Added: If I had gone with the idea of buying stuff, I probably would have been more disappointed. My motivation was to do "something" MRR this weekend, and it did fit that bill. I have more money due on items in transit right now than I intended to spend all year (a big chunk of that is the VT08.5) so buying wasn't a consideration. At any rate, I will be in Hamburg for a week next month and there are 10 Marklin dealers there to satisfy my every need. Smile
-Ron
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Offline verheyen  
#9 Posted : 07 August 2006 04:06:51(UTC)
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They did around 4pm, headed to horseshoe curve near Altoona to watch trains and then back to Michigan. Had a great time chatting with Jan and Carsten. Always fun.

p.

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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by jonquinn
<br />eisentrains must have split after saturday. they were not there on sunday morning as far as I could tell.
Offline dbmike  
#10 Posted : 22 August 2006 16:55:23(UTC)
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If we had the money for gas my wife and I would have gone, long drive from Erie to that part of PA. If it doenst totaly flop for next year, maybe I will try to attend, or meet up with a group comming thru Erie and caravan down. Or for that matter, take the largest vehicle in the group and pool our gas funds! Summer train shows, be they European or USA in nature dont seem to do well, When we have the late winter/spring show here in Erie, if the weather happens to be nice, then the attendance will suck, there will be plenty of dealers but not many customers. If its a small blizzard outside, then it will be packed, elbow to elbow and you can barely beathe, at the end of that day the dealers will be almost sold out of the good stuff. Once and a great while I will see some Marklin trains besides my own. I have displayed or sold trains at shows for better than 15yrs now, you would think bad weather and slippery roads would keep folks away, but its the exact opposite, then want out of the house and once they get there they will stay longer, buy more, so when they get back home they will have plenty to play with. I hope they get the show going better next year. If anybody goes thru Erie, ie: along I90, let me know in advance if you wanna meet up and go down as a group to save money. Cheers Mike
Due to budget shortfall, the light at the end of the tunnel has been turned off....mgmt.
Offline rschaffr  
#11 Posted : 22 August 2006 17:22:25(UTC)
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I certainly hope EuroRailEast survives. It was a bit thin this year, but my joy at getting to talk Euro Rail to like minded people (no matter how few) face to face was worth it. If I had had further to go, though, it probably would not have been worth the trip. You may consider if you do come next year to combine the trip with a visit to Stasburg (they have steam rail excursions there plus the Pennsy RR museum) and hitting SteamTown in Scranton on your way back north to gaze in awe at the Big Boy (and the many other fine steam locomotives they have there). That way if you are disappointed with EuroRail East, at least you will have a number of memories to take back with you.

If there is a show at Marietta next year, I will plan to support it, since if it loses all support it will certainly fail.
-Ron
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