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Offline Luma Moba  
#1 Posted : 18 August 2023 23:49:56(UTC)
Luma Moba

Portugal   
Joined: 05/08/2023(UTC)
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Location: Portugal
Ave everyone,

Long time ago I got these plans, think it was a download via emule.

Never saw that plan everywhere, think it is from Märklin, but since two stations are named Lindental and Neukirch,
it could be from Faller too, but I never saw any "big" track plan of Faller from that time.

Here are the pics I got:

Gleisplan Lindental Neukirch 1.jpgGleisplan Lindental Neukirch 2.jpgGleisplan Lindental Neukirch 3.jpg

I could not make a mental picture of the plan, so I did an "almost exact" plan in Wintrack.


Lindental Neukirch Plan-1.jpgLindental Neukirch-1.jpg

It is a big layout 7,00 vs 3,00 meter

Does anyone has a ideia of the history of that plan?

have fun
Luma

Do not do to others what you do not want to suffer yourself
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Offline JohnjeanB  
#2 Posted : 19 August 2023 09:51:48(UTC)
JohnjeanB

France   
Joined: 04/02/2011(UTC)
Posts: 3,048
Location: Paris, France
Hi Luma
Reading the plan, it seems coming from a non-Märklin, german person with drawing-board past experience when the use of track design software was not as developped.
It seems to require a lot of M track but after all it is not impossible.
So sorry for not providing more info.
Here is a video of a large table layout with M tracks and many gold oldies from an American Märklin fan.
Size seems to be similar to yours (a bit wider perhaps).


Cheers
Jean
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Offline Luma Moba  
#3 Posted : 22 August 2023 00:31:54(UTC)
Luma Moba

Portugal   
Joined: 05/08/2023(UTC)
Posts: 28
Location: Portugal
Ave John,

that plan was made in 1961, the layout is 7 meter (23 feet) long and 3 meter (10 feet) large,
something impossibel to think of in the normal household in West Germany at this times. Only
very wealthy People would have the space and money for this big layout.

btw ... only to remind you at the time ... is was the year the "wall building" started in East-Berlin.

I thought of a layout Exhibition or a privat special customer, who ordered a layout from Märklin.

In the 60ties I do not know of a any "Brandl, Knipper or Stein" of our times, which build layouts
for Märklin, Miba, Faller and Heki and others. No even a firm like "Brima".

The were not "Outsourcing" like today and Modellplan came 20 &+ years later.

well, it will be impossible to find out, but it is a Dream-Layout from this times.

have fun
Luma



Do not do to others what you do not want to suffer yourself
Offline hxmiesa  
#4 Posted : 22 August 2023 08:12:30(UTC)
hxmiesa

Spain   
Joined: 15/12/2005(UTC)
Posts: 3,517
Location: Spain
It´s nice to see these old vintage layouts, BUT...
IMHO:
The trackplan is about as bad as it can possibly get, in the sense of usefull trackage and possible routes. ThumbDown
For such a huge investment in space, AND that they have made the layout in more than 1 level, there is so much else you could do.

1) Get a longer run on the main-line. You need to fold the stupid double oval onto itself, so that you get almost the double length. I refer to the style used in the mother of classic M-layouts; the one from the 1971 catalogue! (-or even the video linked to by JohnJeanB)

2) Build a shadow-station, even if it is just a hidden siding for each oval.

3) The small shadow-station used in the plan showed here, is in a return-loop, which is located "wrong" in relation to the branchline. You would make life easier for yourself making this return loop available directly from the branchline and switching yard.

4) Tracklength in stations; Especially the main station is ridiculously limited, even when using 24cm tinplate waggons. Surely with 7m layout length one could do better!

Finally, in my very personal opinion; with such a huge space (7x3) a double oval layout is hardly doing justice to the massive space available. (Crushed dogbone style would be better)

All-in-all the layout looks more like it was designed for an exposition, rather than for a private home.
Best regards
Henrik Hoexbroe ("The Dane In Spain")
http://hoexbroe.tripod.com
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Offline Michael4  
#5 Posted : 22 August 2023 09:43:59(UTC)
Michael4

United Kingdom   
Joined: 02/02/2017(UTC)
Posts: 635
Location: England, South Coast
There seems to be remarkably few small sections of track (or track fractions) used in this layout on Wintrack. Life is never that simple, particularly with quite narrow track spacing.

Can you get Wintrack to highlight unconnected joints etc?
Offline JohnjeanB  
#6 Posted : 22 August 2023 11:23:08(UTC)
JohnjeanB

France   
Joined: 04/02/2011(UTC)
Posts: 3,048
Location: Paris, France
Hi Luma
A small observation I forgot to mention on your layout:
- track spacing when there is a significant height change, usually is slightly bigger.

Sans titre.png

Cheers
Jean
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