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Offline Artologic  
#1 Posted : 15 June 2023 00:01:30(UTC)
Artologic

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Hi all,

Having aquired some epoche 1 stuff (but also interested in epoche 2 stuff), I was wondering if there are any german switchers loco s in z? I have a t12 that could be used as such, but the front "hook" makes it a fiddly job.

Best,
Kristof
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Offline Zme  
#2 Posted : 15 June 2023 05:12:54(UTC)
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Hello, hope all is well.

What is the number of that locomotive? Is it similar to the BR 74? I was thinking the front pilot wheels might be changed to the one with the regular coupler, but I am not certain how this might work out.

The BR 89 is the most common steam locomotive which could be the correct Era and has couplers at both ends. It is small but powerful (within reason). The number on that 8800/88051. This is also commonly found in zscale starter sets.

The one locomotive I like is the Br 64 but this I noticed is Era 3,

The Br89 may meet your needs. Off hand I cannot think of another but will keep thinking about it.

Hope this helps, take good care.

Dwight
Offline Artologic  
#3 Posted : 15 June 2023 07:49:21(UTC)
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Hello Dwight,

Thanks for thinking and pointing out a few models!

De t12 is a br74, but in epoche 1. It s a good thing to try and find out, I forgot the newer ones do have a coupler and it s not a bad runner after all.

The be89, is indeed avaiable in epoche 1, but I don t think it existed in real life then, thus not really prototypical

The be64 is a real beauty, but she is indeed to modern.

I ll.keep looking around myself, but if anyone else has some suggestions, I ll keep myself recommended.

Best regards,
Kristof
Offline parakiet  
#4 Posted : 15 June 2023 13:46:57(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Artologic Go to Quoted Post


De t12 is a br74, but in epoche 1. It s a good thing to try and find out, I forgot the newer ones do have a coupler and it s not a bad runner after all.



Yes the Series 96 NMBS steamer. (luck has it, my new one runs worse than my old 3 pole version..)

Why not the V36? (Br236)

Or the Br89 in grey. I think it was a MHI version. Came in a wooden box and has a new type motor. Runs very very well!!





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Offline Zme  
#5 Posted : 16 June 2023 00:43:42(UTC)
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Hello again. Hope all is well.

If your T12 is an early version of the 74 type locomotive it is the one with the hook and metal lower cover plate. The newer versions, the ones with the front coupler, might have a plastic lower cover plate in red. In my experience, the arm with the coupler in plastic, might be thicker and matches the larger opening on the plastic lower cover. This is the way my similar Br64 seems to be. The thinner metal hook on yours matches the precise opening of the lower cover on the early releases.

If this is the case, the lower cover plate as well as the coupler may need to be purchased to make it work. This might cost more than you would want to spend. I looked at all the diagrams for many versions of this locomotives and they all seem to use the same one originally created for 8895. They only show it with the metal hook. Do you have someone who could check this for you?

The Br 96 is a nice one, but unfortunately is Era 3 also and is used more for road rather than yard work. I never realize there are so few Era 1/2 locomotives in Z scale.

He wishes on this, take good care.

Dwight

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Offline Artologic  
#6 Posted : 16 June 2023 13:27:52(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: parakiet Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Artologic Go to Quoted Post


De t12 is a br74, but in epoche 1. It s a good thing to try and find out, I forgot the newer ones do have a coupler and it s not a bad runner after all.



Yes the Series 96 NMBS steamer. (luck has it, my new one runs worse than my old 3 pole version..)

Why not the V36? (Br236)

Or the Br89 in grey. I think it was a MHI version. Came in a wooden box and has a new type motor. Runs very very well!!



Hey Parakiet,

Thanks for the input, the nmbs steamer is for sure on my list, but is epoche 3, thus too recent (but a real beauty). Seems I m not the only one having 3 and 5 pole versions of the same loco, but the 3 pole running better :-).
De v36 is I think epoche 2 in the oldest version, thus also too new (and also on my list)
Is there a grey br89, you don t have a number or picture of that one? I love grey locos, but I have never seen the br89 one. Good to know that the new ones run really well, my 3 pole behaves sadly :-(.

Hello Dwight,

Thank you for your input once again, I glad you have to option to look at this, since I don t have a newer one. I ll look into the price of the parts, since I find a great idea to at least try. She s a good runner, thus worth it in my eyes. I have a contact that can find it out for me, so I ll try to see what comes up. Thank you for the great idea.

The br96 is also a epoche 1 loco, albeit late epoche 1, but I m not sure that version or epoche 2 versions exist.
One I did find in the meanwhile is the t16, later br94, marklin 88941, which is a shunter. For the rest I didn t find much.

There is quite a nice collection epoche 1 locos (I think 2 is worse), but mostly larger mainline loco s, but I m still discovering myself, being a epoch 3 - 4 guy myself. But I truely love the epoche 1 color scemes.


Thanks a lot for replying!

Kristof
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Offline parakiet  
#7 Posted : 16 June 2023 15:25:47(UTC)
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Offline Artologic  
#8 Posted : 17 June 2023 23:56:31(UTC)
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She s a beauty!
Offline parakiet  
#9 Posted : 18 June 2023 08:44:22(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Artologic Go to Quoted Post
She s a beauty!


Drives very smooth too
Offline Artologic  
#10 Posted : 18 June 2023 10:55:09(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: parakiet Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Artologic Go to Quoted Post
She s a beauty!


Drives very smooth too


Can she pull too?
Offline parakiet  
#11 Posted : 20 June 2023 11:46:48(UTC)
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I was pretty impressed but didn't test it to the limit.
I love to use those small locs for 4 or 5 cars..
Offline Zme  
#12 Posted : 21 June 2023 04:03:43(UTC)
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Hello hope all is well.

The small steam locomotives like the Br 80 and 89 seem to be able to pull more wagons than you would expect. I guess three axles all driving and the all metal weight just makes it all work great. They are smooth running and easy to maintain.

I like that Br 80 too, and was going to suggest it, but noticed it was not from the Era we were looking for.

Take good care.

Dwight



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Offline parakiet  
#13 Posted : 21 June 2023 14:18:09(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zme Go to Quoted Post


I like that Br 80 too, and was going to suggest it, but noticed it was not from the Era we were looking for.



They were built between 1927-1928 (writing '27 or '28 would provoke a far different locomotive :p )
They are put under IV as museum-loc in photographic paintjob.

Perhaps some details aren't true 1927...
Offline Artologic  
#14 Posted : 25 June 2023 23:08:50(UTC)
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What would be the difference between 1927 & '27 then?
It could be the lettering, I have the grey 42.9, which is if I recall correctly III, but the grey 55 (8.1) is Iso I think it comes down to the lettering on the loco.
Offline parakiet  
#15 Posted : 26 June 2023 14:08:48(UTC)
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I meant a 1927 and a 2027 locomotive LOL


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photographic_grey
Since the loc is painted in grey, it probably looked like it was brand new in 1927 or 1928

Some extras could have been added in its service life, just until it was put in a museum. Perhaps you could start a search to find out how it was restored in the museum?
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Offline parakiet  
#16 Posted : 26 June 2023 23:24:11(UTC)
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Found this online, it does run smooth like this :)
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Offline Artologic  
#17 Posted : 01 July 2023 00:53:41(UTC)
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Ow like we say here: On that bike ;-). Yeah but it would be a tad early to find a 2027 loco :-).

I ll start a search for sure, although I m not that picky on models, if I find something, I ll report back.

Thanks for the video, she indeed does run well, and the cars are a beauty too (I have to loco already, but I think the set is quite expensive)

Originally Posted by: parakiet Go to Quoted Post
I meant a 1927 and a 2027 locomotive LOL


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photographic_grey
Since the loc is painted in grey, it probably looked like it was brand new in 1927 or 1928

Some extras could have been added in its service life, just until it was put in a museum. Perhaps you could start a search to find out how it was restored in the museum?


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Offline parakiet  
#18 Posted : 02 July 2023 13:52:07(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Artologic Go to Quoted Post
(I have to loco already, but I think the set is quite expensive)




In some shops the limited set of 1990 and the expansion set of 1992 sell for 300ish euro

Online the set goes for between 200 and 700 euro
I would not pay more than 250 for it.

The set is really good. Very high details. And an eye catcher.
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Offline Artologic  
#19 Posted : 03 July 2023 12:25:26(UTC)
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Yes the set is a real beauty, I m still on the fence over it. It s beautiful, but it also has limited use on my layout. I have the loco 8870 though. Coices choices. Why is there so much beautiful train stuff?

I also aquired a marklin 8138 set, which has a br89 with 4 coal cars, she s a great runner and can be used for some shunting, so I already have 1 out of 2 shunting loco s.
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Offline parakiet  
#20 Posted : 04 July 2023 08:39:54(UTC)
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I would say... Put some money on the side. And wait until it pops up. I wouldn't pay the crazy steep price (600-900 euro) but if it gets available for 200-300...

By far the most stunning set I ever saw.
A real eyecatcher Love
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Offline Artologic  
#21 Posted : 15 July 2023 15:03:07(UTC)
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Thanks for the tip, I know where to get it for 250, I ll collect my money and courage and will pick it up when returning from a holiday!

Thanks!

Kristof
Offline parakiet  
#22 Posted : 18 July 2023 11:53:56(UTC)
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https://www.maerklin.de/...te/details/article/88091
I am looking to get this one, perhaps nice with the royal trainset :)
Offline Artologic  
#23 Posted : 18 July 2023 11:58:50(UTC)
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Well you sure can guess my taste :-).
I have her standing by for the royal train: https://www.lokmuseum.co...loks/bilder/8870axxl.jpg . Still wondering if she was used for other trains in that color scene as well.
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