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steventrain		#1 Posted : 03 May 2023 11:01:18(UTC) Retweet
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marklinist5999		#2 Posted : 03 May 2023 13:22:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,880 Location: Michigan, Troy		Would a wish change the already planned items?
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Marius in Africa		#3 Posted : 03 May 2023 18:54:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 424 Location: Boksburg, Gauteng		Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 Would a wish change the already planned items? Exactly, if something within the list tickel my fancy I will order it. If not, it isn't the end of my model railroad fetish. There will be more seasonal issues, of that i am certain. Enjoy your own model railroad world.
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kiwiAlan		#4 Posted : 03 May 2023 19:55:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,463 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 Would a wish change the already planned items? Well, can always wish for a coach set to go with the Flying Scotsman.
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Goofy		#5 Posted : 03 May 2023 21:18:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,273		Originally Posted by: steventrain Marklin summer New items 2023 will be online - Wednesday 10th May. What is your wish list? A lot of trains! New V60 with new tool. Era 1 trains. Wagons with the lighting and function decoder fx.
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vilithejou		#6 Posted : 03 May 2023 21:22:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/01/2004(UTC) Posts: 849 Location: Vic, Barcelona		Originally Posted by: Goofy Originally Posted by: steventrain Marklin summer New items 2023 will be online - Wednesday 10th May. What is your wish list? A lot of trains! New V60 with new tool. Era 1 trains. Wagons with the lighting and function decoder fx. Always possitive
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vilithejou		#7 Posted : 05 May 2023 19:28:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/01/2004(UTC) Posts: 849 Location: Vic, Barcelona		Already known item in SNH 2023 From Stummi forum Hallo, dieses mal werden es folgende Modelle sein: 39904 Schwere Diesel-Rangierlokomotive BR 294, schwarz mit rotem Geländer (UVP 359,- Euro) – Spielewelt mfx+ Decoder (multiprotokollfähig), mit Licht- und Soundfunktionen. – 3-Licht-Spitzensignal und 2 rote Schlusslichter, mit der Fahrtrichtung wechselnd. – Doppel-A-Licht-Funktion. Führerstandbeleuchtung. – Neue Telex-Kupplung vorne und hinten, digital schaltbar. – Kupplungswalzer. 47584 2-achsiger Container-Tragwagen Lgs 580, 40-ft. High-Cube Container, DB AG (UVP 62,99 Euro) https://meisesmobacenter...-294-store-lok-2023.html
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kiwiAlan		#8 Posted : 05 May 2023 23:37:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,463 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: vilithejou Already known item in SNH 2023 From Stummi forum Hallo, dieses mal werden es folgende Modelle sein: 39904 Schwere Diesel-Rangierlokomotive BR 294, schwarz mit rotem Geländer (UVP 359,- Euro) – Spielewelt mfx+ Decoder (multiprotokollfähig), mit Licht- und Soundfunktionen. – 3-Licht-Spitzensignal und 2 rote Schlusslichter, mit der Fahrtrichtung wechselnd. – Doppel-A-Licht-Funktion. Führerstandbeleuchtung. – Neue Telex-Kupplung vorne und hinten, digital schaltbar. – Kupplungswalzer. 47584 2-achsiger Container-Tragwagen Lgs 580, 40-ft. High-Cube Container, DB AG (UVP 62,99 Euro) https://meisesmobacenter...-294-store-lok-2023.html Oh no, another hit to my non-existant budget ...
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danmarklinman		#9 Posted : 06 May 2023 11:33:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/10/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,404		As Allen said, any British coaches to go with Flying Scotsman. Even if we have to weight until next year for them. A photo will do of a rake of Pullman or MK1 coaches would do 😋 I’ve got to be honest though, if they don’t I might well cancel my order.? As it just looks odd without!!!
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Goofy		#10 Posted : 06 May 2023 11:37:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,273		Originally Posted by: vilithejou Already known item in SNH 2023 From Stummi forum Hallo, dieses mal werden es folgende Modelle sein: 39904 Schwere Diesel-Rangierlokomotive BR 294, schwarz mit rotem Geländer (UVP 359,- Euro) – Spielewelt mfx+ Decoder (multiprotokollfähig), mit Licht- und Soundfunktionen. – 3-Licht-Spitzensignal und 2 rote Schlusslichter, mit der Fahrtrichtung wechselnd. – Doppel-A-Licht-Funktion. Führerstandbeleuchtung. – Neue Telex-Kupplung vorne und hinten, digital schaltbar. – Kupplungswalzer. 47584 2-achsiger Container-Tragwagen Lgs 580, 40-ft. High-Cube Container, DB AG (UVP 62,99 Euro) https://meisesmobacenter...-294-store-lok-2023.html That is the ugliest locomotive i have seen! Gosh...what is the wrong with the people? Save your money by not buy it.
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kiwiAlan		#11 Posted : 06 May 2023 14:05:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,463 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: Goofy Originally Posted by: vilithejou Already known item in SNH 2023 From Stummi forum Hallo, dieses mal werden es folgende Modelle sein: 39904 Schwere Diesel-Rangierlokomotive BR 294, schwarz mit rotem Geländer (UVP 359,- Euro) – Spielewelt mfx+ Decoder (multiprotokollfähig), mit Licht- und Soundfunktionen. – 3-Licht-Spitzensignal und 2 rote Schlusslichter, mit der Fahrtrichtung wechselnd. – Doppel-A-Licht-Funktion. Führerstandbeleuchtung. – Neue Telex-Kupplung vorne und hinten, digital schaltbar. – Kupplungswalzer. 47584 2-achsiger Container-Tragwagen Lgs 580, 40-ft. High-Cube Container, DB AG (UVP 62,99 Euro) https://meisesmobacenter...-294-store-lok-2023.html That is the ugliest locomotive i have seen! Gosh...what is the wrong with the people? Save your money by not buy it. It is no worse than the three matching Store Locomotives that have preceded it. I can think of locos that I would consider to have much less desirable liveries than this one.
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marklinist5999		#12 Posted : 06 May 2023 14:17:21(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,880 Location: Michigan, Troy		Right! It's not that ugly either.
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Bigdaddynz		#13 Posted : 06 May 2023 15:38:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,768 Location: New Zealand		Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan It is no worse than the three matching Store Locomotives that have preceded it. I can think of locos that I would consider to have much less desirable liveries than this one. Sssshhhh..... If you let everyone think it's ugly, then there's a chance we can order one!
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mike c		#14 Posted : 06 May 2023 22:41:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 8,224 Location: Montreal, QC		It was reported a few weeks ago that there will be a BLS Re 475 in the new alpinist livery. The model will be another one with the new Vectron chassis and shell. The original model was a Hobby lok with less details. This will either be a Summer of Fall New Item for 2023. This tidbit was revealed by scanning the library on digital controllers. Regards Mike C
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Sankch		#15 Posted : 09 May 2023 17:54:22(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/10/2009(UTC) Posts: 71 Location: ,		On Märklin FB it is easy to recognize the Re 475 BLS as a summer novelty.
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steventrain		#16 Posted : 09 May 2023 19:33:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,686 Location: United Kingdom		Due online 13.00 Germany time tomorrow (Wed)
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kiwiAlan		#17 Posted : 09 May 2023 22:42:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,463 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: steventrain Due online 13.00 Germany time tomorrow (Wed) Hmm, anyone got a leak for a brochure download?
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TGV POS		#18 Posted : 09 May 2023 22:53:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 30/12/2017(UTC) Posts: 68 Location: Centre-Val de Loire		Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Originally Posted by: steventrain Due online 13.00 Germany time tomorrow (Wed) Hmm, anyone got a leak for a brochure download? Only this in french
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klarinettmeister		#19 Posted : 10 May 2023 12:00:21(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/02/2008(UTC) Posts: 811 Location: Kirseberg		Some news: https://www.maerklin.de/de/sommer-neuheiten#spurh0
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clapcott		#20 Posted : 10 May 2023 12:53:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/12/2005(UTC) Posts: 2,448 Location: Wellington, New_Zealand		product db update is a bit early Product DB silent (not in Marklin broachure) release of 60996 "Märklin Sound Decoder mSD3 PluX22" . mfx/DCC/RailCom® compatible.
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H0		#21 Posted : 10 May 2023 12:56:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,440 Location: DE-NW		Cool: Piko freight cars in the Märklin catalogue (Uacns and Taoos).
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Bigdaddynz		#22 Posted : 10 May 2023 13:31:26(UTC) Retweet
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Bigdaddynz		#23 Posted : 10 May 2023 13:35:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,768 Location: New Zealand		Marklin TV episode 123 - 2023 Summer New Items English German
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kiwiAlan		#24 Posted : 10 May 2023 13:49:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,463 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: clapcott product db update is a bit early Product DB silent (not in Marklin broachure) release of 60996 "Märklin Sound Decoder mSD3 PluX22" . mfx/DCC/RailCom® compatible. I suspect that will be in the Trix brochure as it has Railcom.
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kiwiAlan		#25 Posted : 10 May 2023 14:10:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,463 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Originally Posted by: clapcott product db update is a bit early Product DB silent (not in Marklin broachure) release of 60996 "Märklin Sound Decoder mSD3 PluX22" . mfx/DCC/RailCom® compatible. I suspect that will be in the Trix brochure as it has Railcom. Trix brochures at https://www.trix.de/en/summer-new-items Sure enough the new decoder is shown in there.
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nhumps		#26 Posted : 10 May 2023 14:27:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/12/2018(UTC) Posts: 127 Location: Kapiti Coast		Curious translation for the Marklin mSD3 PluX22 sound decoder Quote: Kissed awake Finally digital https://www.maerklin.de/...te/details/article/60996
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kiwiAlan		#27 Posted : 10 May 2023 14:44:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,463 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		LGB Brochures here ... https://www.lgb.de/sommer-neuheiten I do like the Christmas truck.
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Goofy		#28 Posted : 10 May 2023 15:27:45(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,273		The summer news are really bad! The steam model 78 1002...did Märklin fix the slippery problems?? Even new steam model BR 038 do have same problem. Other models are not to cheer about.
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jonas_sthlm		#29 Posted : 10 May 2023 16:29:13(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/10/2008(UTC) Posts: 980 Location: Stockholm, Södermalm		So is it really epoch the 2000s with the SCHENKER trailer when AAE started in 1989, feels really fishy and hokus pokus combination Many collaborations with Piko provide an interesting future in terms of price differences Edited by user 10 May 2023 19:54:52(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
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danmarklinman		#30 Posted : 10 May 2023 18:56:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/10/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,404		Love the new freight wagons and the vectron 248 duel mode
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bph		#31 Posted : 10 May 2023 19:51:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/08/2018(UTC) Posts: 1,154		Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Originally Posted by: clapcott product db update is a bit early Product DB silent (not in Marklin broachure) release of 60996 "Märklin Sound Decoder mSD3 PluX22" . mfx/DCC/RailCom® compatible. I suspect that will be in the Trix brochure as it has Railcom. Trix brochures at https://www.trix.de/en/summer-new-items Sure enough the new decoder is shown in there. the decoder is a nice addition , but a decoder tester 60970 is required for programming with a pc. (in addition to the 60971).
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kiwiAlan		#32 Posted : 10 May 2023 20:53:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,463 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: bph Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Originally Posted by: clapcott product db update is a bit early Product DB silent (not in Marklin broachure) release of 60996 "Märklin Sound Decoder mSD3 PluX22" . mfx/DCC/RailCom® compatible. I suspect that will be in the Trix brochure as it has Railcom. Trix brochures at https://www.trix.de/en/summer-new-items Sure enough the new decoder is shown in there. the decoder is a nice addition , but a decoder tester 60970 is required for programming with a pc. (in addition to the 60971). How else do you expect to connect the PLUX21 secoder to the programmer that doesn't have a connector for it? ESU do the same essentially, you need a decoder tester to connect to the programmer - but that is for any decoder including a wired or 8 pin one. Personally I wouldn't try loading a sound file to a decoder through the track, that is asking for trouble, using a direct connection is much wiser.
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bph		#33 Posted : 10 May 2023 22:55:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/08/2018(UTC) Posts: 1,154		Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Originally Posted by: bph Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Originally Posted by: clapcott product db update is a bit early Product DB silent (not in Marklin broachure) release of 60996 "Märklin Sound Decoder mSD3 PluX22" . mfx/DCC/RailCom® compatible. I suspect that will be in the Trix brochure as it has Railcom. Trix brochures at https://www.trix.de/en/summer-new-items Sure enough the new decoder is shown in there. the decoder is a nice addition , but a decoder tester 60970 is required for programming with a pc. (in addition to the 60971). How else do you expect to connect the PLUX21 secoder to the programmer that doesn't have a connector for it? ESU do the same essentially, you need a decoder tester to connect to the programmer - but that is for any decoder including a wired or 8 pin one. Personally I wouldn't try loading a sound file to a decoder through the track, that is asking for trouble, using a direct connection is much wiser. actually thinking about it, it might be that it is possible to wire up a PLUX21 decoder plate, into the 60971 wire interface. but having a 60970 decoder tester is also useful. regarding sound programming on track with a cs3/2, that is a method that I personally find to work fine even if it's very slow, but there are of course some risks. just make sure that the locomotive has good contact and leave it alone during programming. have done around 30 full projects with sounds that way. and I have not bricked one decoder (yet?). However, there are some built-in fail-safes and if something is interrupted the CS3 automatically restores the original project with the original sounds (this probably also has its limits). That has happened twice to me, and on both occasions, the programming worked fine on the 2nd attempt. And decoder firmware updates also have some risks, when done on the programming track........
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mbarreto		#34 Posted : 10 May 2023 23:26:38(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/02/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,334		I am not going to purchase anything from these announcements to keep inside budget, but I like the LGB steamer, the new Ep. V and VI wagons, the Alpinist and the Electric/Diesel Vectrons. Miguel
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2fingers		#35 Posted : 11 May 2023 03:06:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 26/12/2004(UTC) Posts: 232 Location: , vic		Anyone know what the difference is between the insider loco 39781 and 39782. Hans
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Bigdaddynz		#36 Posted : 11 May 2023 04:14:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,768 Location: New Zealand		Read the Marklin Product Database https://www.marklin.com/...in-details/article/39781 https://www.marklin.com/...in-details/article/39782 39781 is an Insider Club model and represents a 1951 prototype, 39782 represents a 1958 prototype. Read the descriptions for the rest.
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H0		#37 Posted : 11 May 2023 07:38:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,440 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: bph the decoder is a nice addition , but a decoder tester 60970 is required for programming with a pc. (in addition to the 60971). I'd expect to plug it into a loco and program it with my CS2. If Märklin cannot confirm going this route, then this Plux22 decoder will not be an option for me. It could fit into many Piko locos - and Piko is Märklin's new friend. Will we now see locos "in coorporation with Piko" with that new decoder?
		Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS
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jonas_sthlm		#38 Posted : 11 May 2023 08:35:21(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/10/2008(UTC) Posts: 980 Location: Stockholm, Södermalm		I don't have anu issues to programmed decoder inside loco if it only has the latest fwd and the right project type with CS3. Yes its take time, but who doesn't have time for that with this hobby? Interesting that they understand the need to technically upgrade the Vectron loco
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Bigdaddynz		#39 Posted : 11 May 2023 14:28:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,768 Location: New Zealand		Tom, you can program the mSD3 decoders with a CS2/CS3 using the Marklin MDT software, but it is quite a bit slower than using the Decoder programmer. Still it's useful to have the capability if you need to program a decoder that's in a loco and not easy to remove. Just make sure your CS2 is at a version that supports this otherwise you could brick the decoder. If you did brick a decoder that way it is possible to recover it by upgrading the decoders firmware using the decoder programmer -speaking from experience.
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H0		#40 Posted : 11 May 2023 14:38:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,440 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Tom, you can program the mSD3 decoders with a CS2/CS3 using the Marklin MDT software, but it is quite a bit slower than using the Decoder programmer. There is no manual yet for the new 60996 decoder. Product database reads: "A 60970 Märklin Decoder Tester is required for the programming." Is it a technical regression or is the review for the description still pending? The line "Kissed awake Finally digital" looks somewhat incomplete. Maybe we should wait for the manual.
		Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS
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mbarreto		#41 Posted : 11 May 2023 17:57:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/02/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,334		About the decoder, while we wait for the manual, here are my thoughts: 1- Probably there will be a new Decoder Programmer that will handle this decoder and in a later future there will be no need to use the Decoder Tester; 2- It probably can still be firmware upgraded and configured in the track with the CS2/3 and the Decoder Tool. A question: Do you think Märklin will start to use in their H0 locomotives the Plux22? Miguel
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H0		#42 Posted : 11 May 2023 18:06:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,440 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: mbarreto A question: Do you think Märklin will start to use in their H0 locomotives the Plux22? The 21MTC socket they are using now should not be used for new developments since about 2009, so maybe it is time for a new socket. More functions with Plux22, they need RailCom for Trix anyway, cheaper to have the same socket for Trix and Märklin. 21MTC is a mess since the NEM specification is not compatible with the NMRA specification, putting decoder and/or loco board at risk in some cases.
		Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS
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kiwiAlan		#43 Posted : 11 May 2023 21:39:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,463 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Read the Marklin Product Database https://www.marklin.com/...in-details/article/39781 https://www.marklin.com/...in-details/article/39782 39781 is an Insider Club model and represents a 1951 prototype, 39782 represents a 1958 prototype. Read the descriptions for the rest. They also have different road numbers as the other major difference. The supplied coach sets are also quite different, representing the 7 year difference in time representation.
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Bigdaddynz		#44 Posted : 11 May 2023 22:12:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,768 Location: New Zealand		Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan They also have different road numbers as the other major difference. 39782 has the DB 'Cookie', 39781 doesn't, I did mean to say that as well.
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bph		#45 Posted : 12 May 2023 14:50:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/08/2018(UTC) Posts: 1,154		Originally Posted by: H0 Originally Posted by: mbarreto A question: Do you think Märklin will start to use in their H0 locomotives the Plux22? The 21MTC socket they are using now should not be used for new developments since about 2009, so maybe it is time for a new socket. More functions with Plux22, they need RailCom for Trix anyway, cheaper to have the same socket for Trix and Märklin. 21MTC is a mess since the NEM specification is not compatible with the NMRA specification, putting decoder and/or loco board at risk in some cases. Only Marklin can answer that, but after all, it's called MTC21 and is short for Marklin Trix Connector (made by ESU for Märklin and Trix).... and if I remember correctly the NEM specification was decided at a later stage, so I would be surprised if they change it. But hopefully, we will see an MTC decoder with more Aux out, possibly with an option for sensors/motor3 or aux??? perhaps in the msd4 when they release that sometime in the future ;) the new Plux22 decoder has at least two more Aux outputs. The information in the Trix new brochure says two, but the blank Plux21 decoder template indicates 3 (in mDecooderTool). The motor outputs can be set as Aux 8 and 9. There is also one sensor option, in mDecooderTool, and aux 7 is also selectable. That gives the option of 10 or 11 total aux outputs if used as a pure function decoder. One interesting thing is that the Plux22 decoder has the soft sine motor option, but no option for AUX at logic level? so it will be interesting to see the specifications when they release the manual and how the Aux outputs are configured and if some are at logic level.
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kiwiAlan		#46 Posted : 12 May 2023 18:01:38(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,463 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: bph Originally Posted by: H0 Originally Posted by: mbarreto A question: Do you think Märklin will start to use in their H0 locomotives the Plux22? The 21MTC socket they are using now should not be used for new developments since about 2009, so maybe it is time for a new socket. More functions with Plux22, they need RailCom for Trix anyway, cheaper to have the same socket for Trix and Märklin. 21MTC is a mess since the NEM specification is not compatible with the NMRA specification, putting decoder and/or loco board at risk in some cases. Only Marklin can answer that, but after all, it's called MTC21 and is short for Marklin Trix Connector (made by ESU for Märklin and Trix).... and if I remember correctly the NEM specification was decided at a later stage, so I would be surprised if they change it. But hopefully, we will see an MTC decoder with more Aux out, possibly with an option for sensors/motor3 or aux??? perhaps in the msd4 when they release that sometime in the future ;) the new Plux22 decoder has at least two more Aux outputs. The information in the Trix new brochure says two, but the blank Plux21 decoder template indicates 3 (in mDecooderTool). The motor outputs can be set as Aux 8 and 9. There is also one sensor option, in mDecooderTool, and aux 7 is also selectable. That gives the option of 10 or 11 total aux outputs if used as a pure function decoder. One interesting thing is that the Plux22 decoder has the soft sine motor option, but no option for AUX at logic level? so it will be interesting to see the specifications when they release the manual and how the Aux outputs are configured and if some are at logic level. I think you will find the Plux22 connector will get used in Minitrix items. I haven't looked at the decoder tool software, but am surprised the Plux22 has soft sine option - maybe there is currently no way for the software to distinguish which decoder it has connected. Also note that there is an option on the existing mld/3 and msd/3 to use the motor pins as aux outputs when using it as an effects decoder in a wagon or other use other than a loco.
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H0		#47 Posted : 12 May 2023 18:27:13(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,440 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan I think you will find the Plux22 connector will get used in Minitrix items. Time will tell. Other companies use Plux12 and Plux16 for N gauge. Not sure if Plux22 is small enough. The 60996 decoder is published in the TRIX H0 new items brochure and description mentions three-rail and two-rail configurations.
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bph		#48 Posted : 12 May 2023 19:09:38(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/08/2018(UTC) Posts: 1,154		Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Originally Posted by: bph Originally Posted by: H0 Originally Posted by: mbarreto A question: Do you think Märklin will start to use in their H0 locomotives the Plux22? The 21MTC socket they are using now should not be used for new developments since about 2009, so maybe it is time for a new socket. More functions with Plux22, they need RailCom for Trix anyway, cheaper to have the same socket for Trix and Märklin. 21MTC is a mess since the NEM specification is not compatible with the NMRA specification, putting decoder and/or loco board at risk in some cases. Only Marklin can answer that, but after all, it's called MTC21 and is short for Marklin Trix Connector (made by ESU for Märklin and Trix).... and if I remember correctly the NEM specification was decided at a later stage, so I would be surprised if they change it. But hopefully, we will see an MTC decoder with more Aux out, possibly with an option for sensors/motor3 or aux??? perhaps in the msd4 when they release that sometime in the future ;) the new Plux22 decoder has at least two more Aux outputs. The information in the Trix new brochure says two, but the blank Plux21 decoder template indicates 3 (in mDecooderTool). The motor outputs can be set as Aux 8 and 9. There is also one sensor option, in mDecooderTool, and aux 7 is also selectable. That gives the option of 10 or 11 total aux outputs if used as a pure function decoder. One interesting thing is that the Plux22 decoder has the soft sine motor option, but no option for AUX at logic level? so it will be interesting to see the specifications when they release the manual and how the Aux outputs are configured and if some are at logic level. I think you will find the Plux22 connector will get used in Minitrix items. I haven't looked at the decoder tool software, but am surprised the Plux22 has soft sine option - maybe there is currently no way for the software to distinguish which decoder it has connected. Also note that there is an option on the existing mld/3 and msd/3 to use the motor pins as aux outputs when using it as an effects decoder in a wagon or other use other than a loco. the Plux22 decoder is marked as an HO decoder on the Marklin/Trix product pages, and also in mDecodertool. and it seems like mDecoderTool distinguishes the decoder in the motor option when the empty plux template has been selected. there are also other specific decoder options available.
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jonas_sthlm		#49 Posted : 12 May 2023 19:21:41(UTC) Retweet
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H0		#50 Posted : 12 May 2023 19:30:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,440 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: jonas_sthlm Is it not lite strange that we should get a "made by Piko" like a summer news, did they not find anything inside their own factory Maybe they are through with interesting Tillig models. It seems they no longer sell Fleischmann models in Märklin boxes.
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