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Offline Mr. Ron  
#1 Posted : 09 February 2023 22:41:04(UTC)
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Does Russia still use the 5" track gauge?
Offline H0  
#2 Posted : 09 February 2023 22:52:28(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Mr. Ron Go to Quoted Post
Does Russia still use the 5" track gauge?
I don't know. Maybe on some MRR layouts.

In 1:1 scale they gave up 5' (1524 mm) and went down to 4 ft 11+27⁄32 in (1520 mm).
https://en.wikipedia.org...d_1520_mm_gauge_railways
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Offline marklinist5999  
#3 Posted : 10 February 2023 03:01:01(UTC)
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TT is popular there. Piko and Tillig sold trains there since the 1960s at least.
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#4 Posted : 10 February 2023 09:29:22(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 Go to Quoted Post
TT is popular there. Piko and Tillig sold trains there since the 1960s at least.
This is the "Prototype" section of the forum.

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Offline cookee_nz  
#5 Posted : 12 February 2023 17:47:01(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Mr. Ron Go to Quoted Post
Does Russia still use the 5" track gauge?


You surely mean 5' (foot) rather than 5" (inch)?

5" is a miniature railway gauge as found with model engineers, eide-on trains etc
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Offline thing fish  
#6 Posted : 12 February 2023 18:21:06(UTC)
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Prototypically speaking ... Russia have different track gauges.

This stems from German invasion/attack; they wanted to avoid German tarins running their tracks so they laid tracks differently. Many East European countries still have narrow and wide gaguge railroads.

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Offline kiwiAlan  
#7 Posted : 12 February 2023 18:27:45(UTC)
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I remember in 1997, when my wife and I moved from NZ to the UK, we took the train from beijing across Russia. We had to have bogies changed at the China/Russia border, and again at the Russia/Poland border.

Quite an exercise, with the coach lifted up on stirrups after the bogie mounting was undone, and then all the bogies pulled out from under the coaches and the replacement ones pulled in by a long rope, the coach lowered onto the new bogies and then the bogie mounting secured.

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Offline Toosmall  
#8 Posted : 13 February 2023 09:38:23(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post
We had to have bogies changed at the China/Russia border, and again at the Russia/Poland border.


At least that is at a Country's border. Australia uses just about every conceivable gauge in different states. Up to 1600mm in South Australia.

Different fire fighting connections in different states. Slightly different voltages around the country up until not that long ago. Road rules.... and I won't get onto the State boundary Covid rules. Except for one (you couldn't write this stuff) a block of Units built on the border in NSW but the residents leaving their front door were in Queensland. They were not allowed to leave their property. It's beside the point they they had no other access into NSW unless they climbed over other propertys' fences.
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Offline Mark5  
#9 Posted : 13 February 2023 15:51:53(UTC)
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Remembered seeing a few videos of the bogies being changed a while ago.
What amazes me in this video is that they still check the bogies "soundness" after changing by banging on the parts with a hammer. I wonder what the difference is the sound or feeling of the hammer is when its not right.



More detailed explanation of the process here:
https://realrussia.co.uk...at-happens-at-the-border


The Wikipedia entry shows the numerous points of bogie exchange all through Eastern Europe and other parts of world, including two exchanges in Spain and France.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogie_exchange
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In single point perspective, where do track lines meet?
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Offline kiwiAlan  
#10 Posted : 13 February 2023 18:08:48(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Mark5 Go to Quoted Post
Remembered seeing a few videos of the bogies being changed a while ago.
What amazes me in this video is that they still check the bogies "soundness" after changing by banging on the parts with a hammer. I wonder what the difference is the sound or feeling of the hammer is when its not right.


They did the check with a hammer every stop we made. It checks for cracked tyres on the wheels. A good one will have a nice ring when tapped, a cracked one doesn't ring.

Offline Mark5  
#11 Posted : 13 February 2023 18:55:56(UTC)
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Must have been a fabulous experience Alan!
Did you go across Siberia in one go, or make longer stops anywhere?

I imagine one would have to have an attuned ear for the correct ring tone, so to speak. Wondering how long such an apprenticeship would take, and what other training goes into that. An overlooked crack could be fatal.

Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post


They did the check with a hammer every stop we made. It checks for cracked tyres on the wheels. A good one will have a nice ring when tapped, a cracked one doesn't ring.



DB DR FS NS SNCF c. 1950-65, fan of station architecture esp. from 1920-70.
In single point perspective, where do track lines meet?
Offline Toosmall  
#12 Posted : 13 February 2023 21:19:06(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: cookee_nz Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Mr. Ron Go to Quoted Post
Does Russia still use the 5" track gauge?

You surely mean 5' (foot) rather than 5" (inch)?

5" is a miniature railway gauge as found with model engineers, eide-on trains etc

Big difference between 5' and 5" http://www.hme.org.au/photos.php
A steam engine weighs up to about 300kg, not into the tens of tonnes.
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