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Timnomads		#1 Posted : 08 February 2023 13:16:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/09/2015(UTC) Posts: 290 Location: Grandvaux - Lausanne - Switzerland		Dear All I am interested in buying the new Edelweiss set but I am worried about the friction This set comprises of 6 wagons all illuminated running with current conducting couplers and one assumes the standard contacts on the wheel boggies. This adds up to a lot of friction. I have already the Marklin Lotchberg set with Marklin fitted lighting and conducting couplers with two extra carriages My BLS 465 struggles to pulls this. What are peoples feelings about this new set will it be too heavy for the average loco especially on a gradiant ???? Has marklin done soemthing with the electricals to reduce the friction ? Tim
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rhfil		#2 Posted : 08 February 2023 13:37:50(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/09/2014(UTC) Posts: 426 Location: NEW HAMPSHIRE, Somersworth		I have run a number of lit passenger sets over two different layouts, one large one small, and seen no appreciable effect of the friction. However neither layout had gradients. There is far more friction with the passenger sets that do not use current conducting couplers as they need sliders under every car. If friction is slowing the loco down I would drylube the hell out of the axles. Graphite would also work but I would be concerned about the powder getting on the rails and wheels.
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marklinist5999		#3 Posted : 08 February 2023 13:49:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,127 Location: Michigan, Troy		It is a really nice set! I have ran my Marklin re 421 pulling my 6 car non led lighted Helvetia/Rheingold sets. They are also loaded with passengers. It does fine. A little hesitation on one steep grade, but it's too steep anyway because I goofed and hung my Bietschtal bridge an inch too high on the wall to have enough length for longer ramps. Does your re 465 have the older 5 pole motor or can motor? These seem to not have the same pulling power on steeper grades with longer tains, however, in my experience, it also depends on the Loco's gearing. Faster r.p.m. gearing on high speed modern trains is worse. My diesels are much better. I have but one steamer with a can motor, and it's a br 38 with small driving wheels, so I can't speak for and express steamer with one.
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foumaro		#4 Posted : 08 February 2023 14:56:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/12/2004(UTC) Posts: 4,420 Location: Attiki Athens Greece		I am running my 39243 EST Class 13 locomotive with a combo of ten Orient Express wagons,the sets 42495,42796,42791 without problems to my layout.My layout does not have any gradients.
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Goofy		#5 Posted : 08 February 2023 18:35:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,013		Real friction appears when you have to narrow curve tracks and to high climb uphill. I have no problems with friction on the tracks so long the rail are clean.
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river6109		#6 Posted : 08 February 2023 19:11:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,715 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square		Originally Posted by: Timnomads Dear All I am interested in buying the new Edelweiss set but I am worried about the friction This set comprises of 6 wagons all illuminated running with current conducting couplers and one assumes the standard contacts on the wheel boggies. This adds up to a lot of friction. I have already the Marklin Lotchberg set with Marklin fitted lighting and conducting couplers with two extra carriages My BLS 465 struggles to pulls this. What are peoples feelings about this new set will it be too heavy for the average loco especially on a gradiant ???? Has marklin done soemthing with the electricals to reduce the friction ? Tim I thought they all have electricl couplings and all the power is coming from the loco and the wheels contact but no slider, Roco has made coaches whereas the bogie has metal inserts for the axles. John
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AntoinePrt		#7 Posted : 20 December 2023 18:45:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/01/2017(UTC) Posts: 143 Location: Ile-de-France, Paris		Hello to all, The Edelweiss set has arrived! https://www.marklin-user...-2023-Edition#post667695 A.
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kiwiAlan		#8 Posted : 20 December 2023 19:54:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,103 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: AntoinePrt Hello to all, The Edelweiss set has arrived! Ooh, that does look nice.
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5HorizonsRR		#9 Posted : 20 December 2023 20:16:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/12/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,865 Location: CA, USA		Fabulous! I have so many questions! One important one though: do these look to be another Marklin collaboration (Rivarossi and LS models come to mind as partners), or an entirely new tooling? Any guesses? And the obvious- how do you like them!?
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AntoinePrt		#10 Posted : 20 December 2023 20:49:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/01/2017(UTC) Posts: 143 Location: Ile-de-France, Paris		Originally Posted by: 5HorizonsRR Fabulous! I have so many questions! One important one though: do these look to be another Marklin collaboration (Rivarossi and LS models come to mind as partners), or an entirely new tooling? Any guesses? And the obvious- how do you like them!? Hello, It’s a new tooling. 100% Märklin. I like them very much. Even if they are not 100% accurate (Marklin made their choices), it’s the most beautiful set I have at home. A.
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5HorizonsRR		#11 Posted : 20 December 2023 22:19:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/12/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,865 Location: CA, USA		Originally Posted by: AntoinePrt Originally Posted by: 5HorizonsRR Fabulous! I have so many questions! I like them very much. Even if they are not 100% accurate (Marklin made their choices), it’s the most beautiful set I have at home. A. That is a great endorsement! I may have to order it...
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dickinsonj		#12 Posted : 21 December 2023 01:33:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/12/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,683 Location: Crozet, Virginia		Thank you so much for those pictures Antoine! I was just re-reading the Marklin magazine piece on those coaches and wondering when mine might arrive. I had high hopes for this set but your pictures make it look Marklin was able to exceed them. What a beautiful and special set of coaches. Models often arrive a month or more later here in the US, so I will be eagerly awaiting mine for a while yet. I predict that the Edelweiss set will sell out quickly, and if you are seriously interested, you might want to get in line soon.
		Regards, Jim I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains! So many trains and so little time.
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dickinsonj		#13 Posted : 25 December 2023 01:45:52(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/12/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,683 Location: Crozet, Virginia		Originally Posted by: AntoinePrt it’s the most beautiful set I have at home. A. I just watched your YouTube video. Thanks for that, which is my best look at these beautiful coaches so far. My 241.A.65 will finally have the coach set it deserves. How many years have we waited for this?
		Regards, Jim I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains! So many trains and so little time.
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franciscohg		#14 Posted : 25 December 2023 03:02:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/07/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,268 Location: Patagonia		6 or 7 years IIRC, eagerly waiting for them!
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ocram63_uk		#15 Posted : 25 December 2023 07:44:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 07/01/2015(UTC) Posts: 704 Location: England, Suffolk		and you have to put passengers inside the coaches to make them look more realistic?
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dickinsonj		#16 Posted : 25 December 2023 14:16:38(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/12/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,683 Location: Crozet, Virginia		Originally Posted by: ocram63_uk and you have to put passengers inside the coaches to make them look more realistic? Yes, I believe that they will need passengers as soon as possible. I need to contact my dealer to get some Preizerlings sent along with the coaches.
		Regards, Jim I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains! So many trains and so little time.
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bph		#17 Posted : 25 December 2023 18:00:45(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/08/2018(UTC) Posts: 995		Originally Posted by: AntoinePrt Hello to all, The Edelweiss set has arrived! https://www.marklin-user...-2023-Edition#post667695 A. Very nice :) How do you find the new packaging/box? It seems like a nice improvement?
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mbarreto		#18 Posted : 28 December 2023 22:12:38(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/02/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,265		Originally Posted by: bph ... How do you find the new packaging/box? It seems like a nice improvement? I like the size, the packaging of the coaches, colouring and tha picture! The cardboard used is below expectations. It is thin and mat. You get the feeling of fragile when the cover is out. I would like it to have the same cardboard and and glossy style of the Ram TEE box, that is much beter but excessively big for the contents. Miguel Edited by user 29 December 2023 21:51:38(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
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marklinist5999		#19 Posted : 28 December 2023 22:26:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,127 Location: Michigan, Troy		Beautiful but over $600 U.S.???????
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Vinedusk		#20 Posted : 30 December 2023 01:58:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 30/12/2023(UTC) Posts: 34 Location: New South Wales		Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 Beautiful but over $600 U.S.??????? AUD900 as an import into Australia. About $1100 through a store here. If any of them actually get one. It's a lovely set. I'm waiting to see what other sets will be created with the 3 new cars. Marklin could also release the baggage and dining as individual cars and have some success with that. Look out, LS Models.
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5HorizonsRR		#21 Posted : 01 January 2024 03:26:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/12/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,865 Location: CA, USA		Originally Posted by: Vinedusk Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 Beautiful but over $600 U.S.??????? AUD900 as an import into Australia. About $1100 through a store here. If any of them actually get one. It's a lovely set. I'm waiting to see what other sets will be created with the 3 new cars. Marklin could also release the baggage and dining as individual cars and have some success with that. Look out, LS Models. $600 is a lot more than I want to spend, but not crazy for a new tooling with all the lights and toys. I'm going to order these as soon as they do a set with more of a stay/pass through Switzerland...
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marklinist5999		#22 Posted : 01 January 2024 12:24:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,127 Location: Michigan, Troy		Then there is not having a suitable locomotive for this set. Unless a br 10?
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rhfil		#23 Posted : 01 January 2024 14:03:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/09/2014(UTC) Posts: 426 Location: NEW HAMPSHIRE, Somersworth		$100 per car for a lighted highly detailed set. Not too high. Marklin shows it matched with the new 39244 but I think the similar 39241 would also work or a BR 10. I have the 42790 and 42791 sets which are absolutely beautiful but just way too long a consist. Plus the 42790 has a decoder in it with great sounds but in German and it takes one more control slot. I wish Marklin had figured out a way to add the functions to an existing locomotive so that you would not need to take up an additional control.
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dickinsonj		#24 Posted : 01 January 2024 14:11:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/12/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,683 Location: Crozet, Virginia		Picking a loco for this coach set is easy. You could buy a 39244 which Marklin made expressly to go with it. I plan to use my 39241 with it's different livery to haul my Edelweiss set.
		Regards, Jim I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains! So many trains and so little time.
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bph		#25 Posted : 01 January 2024 15:00:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/08/2018(UTC) Posts: 995		Originally Posted by: dickinsonj Picking a loco for this coach set is easy. You could buy a 39244 which Marklin made expressly to go with it. I plan to use my 39241 with it's different livery to haul my Edelweiss set. and 39480 is also a nice fit, if you are a bit flexible on the era etc. ;)
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Vinedusk		#26 Posted : 02 January 2024 09:44:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 30/12/2023(UTC) Posts: 34 Location: New South Wales		Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 Then there is not having a suitable locomotive for this set. Unless a br 10? This is an interesting read that might help: An All-Pullman Journey from London to the Heart of Switzerland
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5HorizonsRR		#27 Posted : 28 January 2024 20:51:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/12/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,865 Location: CA, USA		Hi everyone, Can someone who has laid their eye/hands on this set advice if it is ready/predisposed for a function decoder to control the lighting? Or as a second level of the question- whether the table lamps, taillights, and overhead interior lights are somehow electrically arranged in a matter that might allow for individual control of these 3 core components? (or similar) Thanks! A friend and I were discussing this at a train show yesterday, and it would be a large omission on Marklin's part for $600 if not...
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marklinist5999		#28 Posted : 28 January 2024 21:06:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,127 Location: Michigan, Troy		I just read the manual. It states that the interior lights and table lamps operate in conjunction with the rear marker lights. So, there is no decoder. That would have to be added by you.
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dickinsonj		#29 Posted : 29 January 2024 00:55:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/12/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,683 Location: Crozet, Virginia		Originally Posted by: 5HorizonsRR Or as a second level of the question- whether the table lamps, taillights, and overhead interior lights are somehow electrically arranged in a matter that might allow for individual control of these 3 core components? (or similar) You could add a decoder to turn all of the lights on or off, but I don't see how you could individually control the various lights. The coaches are connected by CC couplers which would only allow one circuit in the set, which would not provide individual control of the table lamps and the coach lighting. You could probably break out the rear marker light fairly easily though. I would have really liked it if you could control those lights separately, but that takes special multi-wire connectors between the coaches, and that would have made these even more expensive. Edited by user 30 January 2024 00:47:24(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
		Regards, Jim I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains! So many trains and so little time.
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marklinist5999		#30 Posted : 29 January 2024 11:41:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,127 Location: Michigan, Troy		Prices are becoming astronomical regardless of features. The new LS models CIWL coach set lists for 849 euro.
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mvd71		#31 Posted : 29 January 2024 18:14:22(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/08/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,719 Location: Auckland,		Yes, so expensive that they will kill the goose that lays the golden egg!
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5HorizonsRR		#32 Posted : 30 January 2024 22:53:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/12/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,865 Location: CA, USA		Hi all, Thanks but to clarify: I was wondering if they were Decoder/DCC ready, not factory fitted with a decoder. I'm going to assume they aren't, but it would have been a wise (and cheap) thing for Marklin to do...
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einotuominen		#33 Posted : 31 January 2024 11:18:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/09/2022(UTC) Posts: 382 Location: Kaarina		I would love to have this set and the associated steam loco. Just beautiful! Maybe the most beautiful models I've seen. -Eino
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marklinist5999		#34 Posted : 31 January 2024 12:48:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,127 Location: Michigan, Troy		It would have only required Marklin to use an led board for the lead coach with a decoder., or eliminate the pickup shoe and equipe a locomotive with a digital switched coupler. The combination led/decoder board has multiple solder points for wiring different lighting functions. So the wires for the coach lighting to one, and the wires from the table lamps to another.
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dickinsonj		#35 Posted : 31 January 2024 13:22:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/12/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,683 Location: Crozet, Virginia		Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 So the wires for the coach lighting to one, and the wires from the table lamps to another. Not exactly. Yes, separate circuits for the coach and table lamps would be required within each coach. But that would require two circuits at each coupler and CC couplers only provide one connection. That is why I said it would require multi-pin connectors between coaches, like the new Northlander has. I agree with Eino that this is a beautiful set of coaches and also that they are special. I have many other Marklin coach sets (my weakness) and these are candidates for the most beautiful among them. They are certainly not inexpensive but I felt that they were well worth the cost.
		Regards, Jim I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains! So many trains and so little time.
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marklinist5999		#36 Posted : 31 January 2024 15:02:54(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,127 Location: Michigan, Troy		Does ESU make an led coach kit with an M4 decoder on each board?
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bph		#37 Posted : 31 January 2024 18:38:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/08/2018(UTC) Posts: 995		Does anyone have links to open sound files with train or station announcements in French etc, that are relevant to this coach set? Any kind of sound format is fine, as long as they are not encrypted or locked etc. note that, I'm familiar with the available sound files in the mDecoderTool.
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5HorizonsRR		#38 Posted : 31 January 2024 18:52:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/12/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,865 Location: CA, USA		Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 Does ESU make an led coach kit with an M4 decoder on each board? All below answers your question, but flagging before anyone errantly reads that this isn't really Edelweiss-relevant since the set already has the lighting fitted: ESU makes the kit #50708/09 Which does, however it is motorola not M4. Also has taillights, pads for a capacitor etc... Excellent value for the money for a "lead" coach at $20-25 Where this becomes tricky is the following coaches. You can find a 2 pole coupling solution and simply run $1 worth of strip LEDs per car, Buy more ESU strips which becomes horrendously expensive, or find a single pole solution via electronics to modify the first option above. The latter is what I am hoping to establish for my passenger fleet. I had earlier attempts which became overcomplicated. I managed to solve a circuit (Hat tip to Dale on this forum!), but the 2 pole couplings were a disaster and I gave up after attempting 3 solutions. I think the way to go is one ESU kit, and trailing coaches via 1 pole Marklin close couplers. That means about $25 for the lead coach, and maybe $5 per secondary coach. ($1LED, $3 couplers, $1 capacitor & Misc) I just need to sort how/if that can actually work somehow using the track ground.
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kiwiAlan		#39 Posted : 31 January 2024 19:22:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,103 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 Does ESU make an led coach kit with an M4 decoder on each board? They certainly make light strips with decoders.
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dickinsonj		#40 Posted : 01 February 2024 02:00:21(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/12/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,683 Location: Crozet, Virginia		Just to clarify, I did not intend to suggest that this was not possible, just not without ramping up the tech. Several recent discussions on this thread were about how expensive these already are and I wanted to point out that it was harder than just adding some wires. I have coach sets that came with decoders and others which I added decoders to, but that comes with a sometimes heavy price tag. At the end of the day I just don't find it worth the hassle and the cost, but I don't deny that it is a very cool feature to have.
		Regards, Jim I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains! So many trains and so little time.
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JohnjeanB		#41 Posted : 01 February 2024 13:45:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/02/2011(UTC) Posts: 3,115 Location: Paris, France		Originally Posted by: bph Does anyone have links to open sound files with train or station announcements in French etc, that are relevant to this coach set? Any kind of sound format is fine, as long as they are not encrypted or locked etc. note that, I'm familiar with the available sound files in the mDecoderTool. Hi on google, typing "annonces en gare" I get multiple video of real SNCF platform sound messages. Next you need to edit the sound using a free sound editor (I use Audacity) Next, using a sound decoder and programming it with the edited sound will finish the job. Cheers Jean
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bph		#42 Posted : 04 February 2024 13:06:45(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/08/2018(UTC) Posts: 995		Originally Posted by: JohnjeanB Originally Posted by: bph Does anyone have links to open sound files with train or station announcements in French etc, that are relevant to this coach set? Any kind of sound format is fine, as long as they are not encrypted or locked etc. note that, I'm familiar with the available sound files in the mDecoderTool. Hi on google, typing "annonces en gare" I get multiple video of real SNCF platform sound messages. Next you need to edit the sound using a free sound editor (I use Audacity) Next, using a sound decoder and programming it with the edited sound will finish the job. Cheers Jean Thanks for pointing me in the right direction . Unfortunately, my understanding of Fensch is basically nonexistent. I also use Audacity, as it's free and surprisingly good.
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QQQ1970		#43 Posted : 19 February 2024 14:28:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/02/2018(UTC) Posts: 378 Location: Ontario, Toronto		Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 Beautiful but over $600 U.S.??????? I pay US$525
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dickinsonj		#44 Posted : 24 February 2024 14:32:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/12/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,683 Location: Crozet, Virginia		Are there other forum members who are still waiting on this coach set? My dealer thought they would be produced in December and available in January, but so far mine has not arrived. I am accustomed to items getting to the US later than other places, but now I am wondering if there is a bigger production problem with this beautiful coach set.
		Regards, Jim I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains! So many trains and so little time.
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QQQ1970		#45 Posted : 24 February 2024 14:42:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/02/2018(UTC) Posts: 378 Location: Ontario, Toronto		Originally Posted by: dickinsonj Are there other forum members who are still waiting on this coach set? My dealer thought they would be produced in December and available in January, but so far mine has not arrived. I am accustomed to items getting to the US later than other places, but now I am wondering if there is a bigger production problem with this beautiful coach set. Ordered from a German dealer and my set is scheduled to arrive in April or May.
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Marklineisenbahn		#46 Posted : 24 February 2024 15:51:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 285 Location: New York City		Hallo Dreileiters, Well I ordered one from US dealership- since Edelweiss Sets started popping up in Europe I am assuming in 3 months should be here in US of A. ( at least that was a case in the past) Who knows what is happening nowadays- I just wonder if set is made in China or Hungary? Regards, Marklineisenbahn
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JohnjeanB		#47 Posted : 24 February 2024 16:58:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/02/2011(UTC) Posts: 3,115 Location: Paris, France		Originally Posted by: dickinsonj Are there other forum members who are still waiting on this coach set? My dealer thought they would be produced in December and available in January, but so far mine has not arrived. Hi I don't know about North America but here, in Europe, dealers are accepting new orders even today. It seems that Märklin understand these will sell very well and is not stopping production. I have ordered on set very late (Dec 2023) and my German dealer (Haertle) says that I need patience and still proposes it as "Vorbestellung". Cheers Jean
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5HorizonsRR		#48 Posted : 24 February 2024 17:54:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/12/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,865 Location: CA, USA		I have kept an eye on this as well. I haven't seen one available on either side of the pond... I doubt its a "problem", probably a case of needing a second production run. A rare thing these days in model trains! Whats funny is everyone seems to have the steam loco in stock (sadly beyond my budget to get both), so they are all awaiting revenue service!
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bph		#49 Posted : 24 February 2024 18:25:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/08/2018(UTC) Posts: 995		I'm also still waiting for mine. My dealer received only a very few in late December, and I was not high enough up on the list to get one. I was told he expected a new shipment soon.......
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dickinsonj		#50 Posted : 25 February 2024 01:13:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/12/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,683 Location: Crozet, Virginia		Thanks for all the great replies. They gave me a better understanding of where the rollout of these coaches stands I had seen pictures posted online by owners so I assumed that they were freely available in Europe, and for a while now. I am well accustomed to the additional delay in getting stuff to North America and that hasn't really even started yet. Production delays are inevitable and your replies helps me see that people are waiting around the world for these coaches. I will hope for late Spring/early Summer here in NA. Luckily I have no big immediate need, so I can easily wait, as long as that set comes my way eventually.
		Regards, Jim I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains! So many trains and so little time.
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