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Offline Thewolf  
#1 Posted : 21 December 2022 20:49:37(UTC)
Thewolf

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Hi everyoneCool

I'm having a little trouble with my wire's voltage. I am using 26 awg wires for the 0.19 mm2 from Marklin and 24 awg for the larger one.

Is this correct?

Thewolf

Project The Richelieu Valley Railway-CS2-Track C- Itrain-Digital
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Offline marklinist5999  
#2 Posted : 22 December 2022 00:51:46(UTC)
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Yes, I think it shuld be sufficient. I used some 24 awg because it came in a longer spool and was available. Marklin says you only need 28 awg I think. Their wires supplied with the Cs3 look like 20 or 22 awg. becaue it has a larger digital booster, and they send all the data to the tracks. The C track wired terminal connectors look like 26. The wires from the MS2 track box, and former M track turnouts and signals look like 28 or 30.
Thicker is no problem, and better for long runs. All of the screw terminals on M83, M84, etc. accomadate 24 awg.
Offline rhfil  
#3 Posted : 22 December 2022 01:16:08(UTC)
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I am not sure what you mean by "a little trouble with my wire's voltage." The weird Marklin transformer produces a combination ac/dc current and the real voltage is a combination of the two. You need a special multimeter that can read the combination to get the accurate voltage. At least that is what I sort of understand though it is all Greek to me. I just stopped worrying about voltage and amperage and just made sure I had continuity. That was hard enough at times.
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Offline phils2um  
#4 Posted : 22 December 2022 05:12:04(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 Go to Quoted Post
Yes, I think it shuld be sufficient. I used some 24 awg because it came in a longer spool and was available. Marklin says you only need 28 awg I think.


This is incorrect. Please read the "Wiring Basics" chapter of the Large Manual, Märklin No. 03093. 18 awg (0.75 m^2) is recommended for both the main track and accessory buses. Feeds to the track from the main bus can be short lengths of lighter gauge wire.

Phil S.
Offline Thewolf  
#5 Posted : 22 December 2022 12:11:40(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: phils2um Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 Go to Quoted Post
Yes, I think it shuld be sufficient. I used some 24 awg because it came in a longer spool and was available. Marklin says you only need 28 awg I think.


This is incorrect. Please read the "Wiring Basics" chapter of the Large Manual, Märklin No. 03093. 18 awg (0.75 m^2) is recommended for both the main track and accessory buses. Feeds to the track from the main bus can be short lengths of lighter gauge wire.



I don't know if you are right, but in digital and Marklin C-tracks, 0.19 mm2 and 0.75 mm2 are recommended.

I think that in awg, the 0.19 mm2 does not exist, you have to fall back on awg 24 or 26 and awg 18 for the 0.75 mm2

Thewolf



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Offline Goofy  
#6 Posted : 22 December 2022 20:00:46(UTC)
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I use 0,75 mm square main connect and shortest way to connect the track from the main are 0,25 mm-0,34 mm square.
This should be enough since we are writing about power feeder 60041 which do have 3 amps output.
For bigger trains like scale 0 and 1 needs thicker wires because of the power feeder 60101 which does have 5 amps output.
There is also two difference type of the wires...standard copper and tinned.
Tinned wires are more expensive and are use in the industry for greater requirements.
H0
DCC = Digital Command Control
Offline marklinist5999  
#7 Posted : 22 December 2022 20:51:27(UTC)
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I wasn't meaning the wiring between the CS3 and track! I was only stating the comparisons. I have no problems with any M83's or turnouts with 24 awg. wire. These run fromtrack power to the decoders, which is only 1 metre at most. Wiring from the M83's to turnouts is very long. Events and throws fire right off unless delayed. I also used 24 awg from the contact tracks to the S-88 feedback.
Offline BenP  
#8 Posted : 22 December 2022 23:31:53(UTC)
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My take on digital wiring: 24-22 gauge from decoder to switch, signal etc (short runs); 22-20 from decoder to CS (long runs) and 20-18 from CS to track power connects.
(NB I have all M track and vintage accessories)
Digital M (+ some K) track layout with mostly vintage rolling stock and accessories, and small Z scale layout.
https://youtube.com/play...0kgVYbh0CeDTF-bYXoD_2-V9
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Offline Thewolf  
#9 Posted : 22 December 2022 23:34:53(UTC)
Thewolf

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Hi gang Cool

My voltage problem is solved.

I'm like Einstein: the king of distraction and the older I get, the worse it gets.

And as we say in Quebec: caliiiiisssssssssse !!!

Behind the cs3, I connected the main path to the output of the programming path and the pogramming path to the output of the main path

Merry Christmas to all

Thewolf

Project The Richelieu Valley Railway-CS2-Track C- Itrain-Digital
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