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Offline kiwiAlan  
#1 Posted : 24 September 2022 13:29:36(UTC)
kiwiAlan

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I'm trying to identify a Faller station kit catalogue number.

The platform has a number molded into the underneath, 1021149, and a search of the 'net shows a large number of sales using this number as the identifier, but this clearly isn't a kit catalogue number, but more likely the mold number for that piece.
I haven't taken a photo of mine (yet) but here are various photos from eBay etc ...

The basic station ...
s-l1600.jpg
P1150819.jpg

As can be seen the station seems to be provided with various names, so I don't which is the original name it was given as a kit.

Mine has extensions to the platform like this photo ...
ho-87-built-model-faller-1021149_1_61909ba74f0be5b81b32fff41c4036ff.jpg

I presume these extensions came as a separate kit, and I would like to identify that kit number as well.

My supplementary query is about the bell, seen in all three photos, on the platform about in line with the left wall of the main building.
When was the bell rung, to notify of an approaching train?, to denote time of departure, or both? Were there bell codes used, one for train approach, two for departure, or some other code?
Judging by the size of the housing I presume this would be a relatively low toned bell, and possibly reasonably loud. If anyone could give pointers to video examples it would be appreciated.

As an aside this station was 'gifted' to me by someone who decided I needed a station on my layout at our recent Stammtisch. I don't remember who it was, but thanks.


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Offline Jimmy Thompson  
#2 Posted : 24 September 2022 13:39:01(UTC)
Jimmy Thompson

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This is SBB, but still...at 2:15

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hK4bGOswaA

And this is what I have in my old files in re Läutewerk:


"These were also used at crossings and at stations. There was a whole code of rings:

The following text was compiled by Georg Federn, some years ago in response to a plea for information on worldrailfans.org:

"A long time, until 1935, the first signal in the signal rule book was a chime signal: 'Train runs in direction from A to B - (Abmeldesignal) - Once five chimes.’

Even if the stations had a Morse apparatus since 1855 to signal each other, there were MANY railway attendants in their small houses between the stations and they had no Morse apparatus to listen (and they did not know how to Morse as well).

So the railways started in 1871 to equip them with those Läutewerken/Läutebuden. By 1886 all lines where equipped with them. Parallel the telegraphs were dismantled.

So these signalling apparati were used to signal those railway attendants of workings on their line:

Signal 1:
Train runs in direction from A to B (e.g. Munich, km 0,0 to somewhere)
- Once five chimes 

Signal 2:
Train runs in direction from B to A (e.g. from somewhere to Munich)
- Twice five chimes
A table for the direction A to B for every line existed in the signal rule book, e.g. simplified one can say: It was away from Munich.

Signal 3:
The line will not be used until the next scheduled train
- Three times five chimes

Mostly used at night when there was no traffic for a longer time.
This could also be used to cancel an already signaled train.

Signal 4:
Something exceptional has to be expected
- Six times five chimes
Every train has to be stopped and the chief of train has to be informed. He has to decide, if the train stays stopped or otherwise he was only allowed to drive very slowly and watchful.


Between the two or more groups of five chimes there were a pause of 5-10 seconds.

Those Läutewerke could stand at railway attendant houses, railway crossings, block stations, at the posts of switch/point attendants, signal towers, or even in the wilderness at a line to inform railways workers.

At a turn-off/junction where two or more lines split, there could stand two or more Läutewerke at the same point.

Therefore there exists apart the normal double chime bell also single or triple chime bells.

The "Läutewerke" were still used until around 1960 as THE signal to inform the posts.

By the way, the originals could be heard up to 200 metres away.”

Hope this helps BigGrin
Jimmy T
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Offline Jimmy Thompson  
#3 Posted : 24 September 2022 13:53:39(UTC)
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As to kit numbers, according to

https://www.altemodellbahnen.de/...ex-Spur-H.html#msg319544

Altenstein is B-102.2

Kirchbach is B-104.3

Talheim is B-105.2

The "Maienfeld" may have been modeller's license...

There may, of course, be others, and each kit may have had multiple nameplates, but I think these are the main catalog items. (at least as far I can find as of now)Cool

BigGrin
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Offline kiwiAlan  
#4 Posted : 24 September 2022 14:18:18(UTC)
kiwiAlan

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Thanks Jimmy, for the video and kit numbers.

Should be able to retrieve the sound off the video to set up a decoder at the station BigGrin BigGrin

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Offline Jimmy Thompson  
#5 Posted : 24 September 2022 14:30:49(UTC)
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You are very welcome! Glad to help ThumpUp

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Offline kiwiAlan  
#6 Posted : 24 September 2022 16:35:27(UTC)
kiwiAlan

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Originally Posted by: Jimmy Thompson Go to Quoted Post
As to kit numbers, according to

https://www.altemodellbahnen.de/...ex-Spur-H.html#msg319544

Altenstein is B-102.2

Kirchbach is B-104.3

Talheim is B-105.2

The "Maienfeld" may have been modeller's license...

There may, of course, be others, and each kit may have had multiple nameplates, but I think these are the main catalog items. (at least as far I can find as of now)Cool

BigGrin


Thanks again for this link, which takes me to a page that has JPG copies of the relevant catalogue pages.

https://www.modelleisenbahnfan.d...ischenablage03-69-70.jpg

The Talheim model (B105) is the model without the extended platform and additional buildings, while Altenstein includes the additional parts.

Mine is missing the chimney on the main building, and some of the fencing. I'll have to hunt around to see if I can find some suitable parts.

I'll organise a photo of mine at some point.

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Offline Jimmy Thompson  
#7 Posted : 25 September 2022 12:40:39(UTC)
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If my eyes do not deceive me (and that is entirely possible LOL ) the wee Guterschuppen in the picture of Altenstein is B-156.2 "Kleiner Guterschuppen" and the one on the right is probably a random "Bahnbauten" (B-140.2?) and then they just added in the platform extensions (from a set of extensions and fillers, maybe?). "Kit-Bashing" at the corporate level LOL
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Offline kiwiAlan  
#8 Posted : 25 September 2022 13:44:07(UTC)
kiwiAlan

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Originally Posted by: Jimmy Thompson Go to Quoted Post
If my eyes do not deceive me (and that is entirely possible LOL ) the wee Guterschuppen in the picture of Altenstein is B-156.2 "Kleiner Guterschuppen" and the one on the right is probably a random "Bahnbauten" (B-140.2?) and then they just added in the platform extensions (from a set of extensions and fillers, maybe?). "Kit-Bashing" at the corporate level LOL


yes, you are correct, it is mentioned on the guys home page.

The other kits that parts are drawn from ...
(images pulled from 'net)

s-l400.jpg
925154_d7df194ab5dc449c8a7ec49313eb8104_mv2_d_4032_3024_s_4_2.jpg
faller-140-trackside-huts-model-kit_360_392038a94f83ab99734efe309c7ca39d.jpg


The hut on the station platform is (I think) the middle one from this kit.
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