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Offline Jags  
#1 Posted : 27 July 2022 07:32:28(UTC)
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So, how many of you are running double-header Marklin Z locos on your layouts? Do you run steam, diesel, or electric? Do you find it better to run two of the same engines or do you mix the type of engines? How much does it improve your pulling power? Are there any issues or problems you have encountered while running a double-header loco setup?

Here is what I'm currently using to haul my 10 coach Nostolgia Istanbul Orient Express. A double-header BR 218 Marklin model 8878 which is actually a true prototypical real-life composition. It really helps in the pulling power, and it looks great!!

So, what are you using? Please share your ideas and experiences!

NIOE Comp.jpg
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Offline Toosmall  
#2 Posted : 27 July 2022 11:49:17(UTC)
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Not double header, but head and tail.
ICE.mov (2,462kb) downloaded 83 time(s).
Offline Jags  
#3 Posted : 27 July 2022 12:05:41(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Toosmall Go to Quoted Post
Not double header, but head and tail.
ICE.mov (2,462kb) downloaded 83 time(s).


Nice!!

But isn't this ICE train unit actually powered by only one motor? I see that the set actually has the motor in one of the intermediate cars and not actually the lead and end cars. Or do you have your consist set up differently?

I know that my model 88721 only has the front unit actually powered.

I'm interested in discussion on actually using two engines with motors at the same time.

Thanks!

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Offline Toosmall  
#4 Posted : 27 July 2022 12:29:21(UTC)
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The ICE 1 has 2 powered locos. It's been its Achilles' heel, but the fix is to bypass the diodes so the rear loco is not powered by the front loco.

To run a full length car set, tyres on the front loco plus some lead helps.
https://www.marklin-user...rum/posts/t47250-Z-tyres
Down the thread is another option, a twin engine loco, in effect a 6 pole motor.
Offline Jags  
#5 Posted : 27 July 2022 13:19:58(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Toosmall Go to Quoted Post
The ICE 1 has 2 powered locos. It's been its Achilles' heel, but the fix is to bypass the diodes so the rear loco is not powered by the front loco.

To run a full length car set, tyres on the front loco plus some lead helps.
https://www.marklin-user...rum/posts/t47250-Z-tyres
Down the thread is another option, a twin engine loco, in effect a 6 pole motor.


Thanks for the reply!

I read through your post on adding tires as I have often thought about that also. But I don't have the tools, steady hands, or eyes that I would need to do something like that!

I have also thought about adding some lead but it's hard to tell where you might actually have space to do that. And that is especially the case with Steam Locos where it would be needed the most.

Running the double-header Diesel Locos actually surprised and impressed me how well that is working. Seems like I can easily double the number of coaches I can pull. Plus, it is prototypical, and it does look so impressive also!

Next thing I want to try is doing a double-header Steam Loco for my Orient Express. Again, it is prototypical as I would use two class 50 Steam Locos. The Marklin class 50s have couplers on the front so I would be able to couple two together. The issue again is using two of the same Locos as I have found issues when using two Locos that run at different speeds. I tried with my class 01 at front and my class 86 behind it. The class 86 with its 3-pole motor ran faster than my 5-pole class 01, so the class 86 was just spinning its wheels trying to push the slower class 01. It was able to pull more coaches, but it wasn't very pretty! I had similar issues when trying to mix Steam and Diesel Locos together.

So, for now I'll run my two BR 218s on the Orient Express. I'm keeping an eye out to purchase two class 50's Marklin number 88842, but they seem to be very hard to find. Especially since I want two of them. I may end up with getting a pair of the older 8884s as they are a lot easier to find but I would need to convert them over to the 5-pole motor so that I can get the slower speed.

I'm interested to hear what others out there have experienced with double-header Locos and doing things to increase traction. So please keep the comments coming!!

Here is the Nostalgia Istanbul Orient Express being pulled with three Steam locos!!!








Offline Mman  
#6 Posted : 27 July 2022 14:48:24(UTC)
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@ Jags,
You could always splash out on a couple of 88846 class 50s when they are released.
As the loco is cast bronze it will, hopefully, have the weight to pull well.
ChrisGC7E560C0-DE27-476F-AB9B-625AC20573B4.png E0263C8C-F4A3-4CD5-927C-921E331948AC.png (1,490kb) downloaded 12 time(s).
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Offline Zme  
#7 Posted : 27 July 2022 19:50:19(UTC)
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Hello, hope all is well.

Yes, a good double traction is hard to beat. It is close to doubling the number of wagons being pulled, but not quite. At least on my track.

I use a couple of BR 110 locomotives without issues. Just use two with the same type of motor, two 3 poles together or two 5 poles together. I have even used my small steam engines BR 74 at the front and the BR 64 at the rear and this works well. Imagine the pulling power of two Ludmilla locomotives!

As I mentioned before, two or the original BR 216 (8874 or 8875) will likely pull many wagons due to their heavier weight.

You can do this without issues and really allows you to combine longer prototypical consists.

Take good care.

Dwight
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Offline Poor Skeleton  
#8 Posted : 27 July 2022 21:12:11(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Jags Go to Quoted Post
So, how many of you are running double-header Marklin Z locos on your layouts? Do you run steam, diesel, or electric? Do you find it better to run two of the same engines or do you mix the type of engines? How much does it improve your pulling power? Are there any issues or problems you have encountered while running a double-header loco setup?

Here is what I'm currently using to haul my 10 coach Nostolgia Istanbul Orient Express. A double-header BR 218 Marklin model 8878 which is actually a true prototypical real-life composition. It really helps in the pulling power, and it looks great!!

So, what are you using? Please share your ideas and experiences!



I'm quite a fan of double heading - my feeling is that it more than doubles the haulage, though I see Dwight's experience is different so I am open to being wrong on that detail. Usually I double head the same type of loco, but this is more for aesthetic rather than practical reasons. BR218s are a favourite, though I have also done so with my V200s for reasons too perverse to remember.

My impression is that double heading is more likely to lead to derailments - if one loco stalls the stress on the coupling between them can cause this, particularly if it is the leading loco at fault. I have tried double heading tank locos, too and I think these are even more prone to derailment, if they have pony trucks, at least.

I have tried double heading different types and even a 5 pole BR218 with a coreless BR218 and again without problems despite their very different running characteristics. I have to say this was a fairly brief test, though!

Anyway, I'd say it's a very worthwhile practice and looks cool, too!

Cheers


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Offline parakiet  
#9 Posted : 27 July 2022 22:52:17(UTC)
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I still have a lot to learn.
The plan is to wire 2 F7a units together.

I also am searching a way to connect 2 x-10-x steamers semi-permanent together.

With extra pulling power you also get superior power pickup!


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Offline Zme  
#10 Posted : 27 July 2022 23:22:13(UTC)
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Hello, I have never been a bragging type of guy, but . . .

I have had up to 14, two axle wagons on a double traction Br 110s, but only 9 on a double traction Br 218. Of those nine, two were the newer type four axle open goods wagons empty and a crane wagon and support wagon. When I put a track load on one of the flat cars, it would not pull it. The 218s and Br 110s were both five poles.

Pulling well often depends on the type of wagons attached.

Fantastic to watch. Occasionally, they do mess up but I have not had serious mixups such as Chris described.

Take good care.

Dwight

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Offline Jags  
#11 Posted : 28 July 2022 00:03:11(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Mman Go to Quoted Post
@ Jags,
You could always splash out on a couple of 88846 class 50s when they are released.
As the loco is cast bronze it will, hopefully, have the weight to pull well.
ChrisGC7E560C0-DE27-476F-AB9B-625AC20573B4.png E0263C8C-F4A3-4CD5-927C-921E331948AC.png (1,490kb) downloaded 12 time(s).


Yes, I've been keeping an eye on that new 88846 class 50 Steam Locomotive. It looks really nice! I can pre-order one for $350 so a pair would be $700!! My rolling stock for this Nostalgie Istanbul Orient Express has already cost me over $600 and is already the most expensive train composition I own. So, for now I'm still thinking about it!!

Thanks!!

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Offline Toosmall  
#12 Posted : 28 July 2022 00:03:47(UTC)
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Agree, the type of wagon, putting weight aside, does make a difference.
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Offline Toosmall  
#13 Posted : 28 July 2022 08:58:49(UTC)
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Just chucked a few double headers on the layout. Most of the locos need a good service, just don't seem to get around to it.

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An older crocodile photo

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Offline Toosmall  
#14 Posted : 28 July 2022 16:58:15(UTC)
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Crops of the above photo. Excuse the missing bits of catenary as I am often pulling apart the layout modules. I have got 3 of the 103 and a fourth in the Lufthansa Express paint job. The reason for so many 194 and V221 (2 more in blue/yellow) is that they pull well.

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Offline parakiet  
#15 Posted : 28 July 2022 21:53:28(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Toosmall Go to Quoted Post
Crops of the above photo. Excuse the missing bits of catenary as I am often pulling apart the layout modules. I have got 3 of the 103 and a fourth in the Lufthansa Express paint job. The reason for so many 194 and V221 (2 more in blue/yellow) is that they pull well.



Did you connect the electrics? Or are they just hooked together?
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Offline Toosmall  
#16 Posted : 28 July 2022 23:10:03(UTC)
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At the moment electrics are not plugged in as I am doing scenery which takes forever due to a number of issues. I would have to spend a day cleaning track. The ICE 14 car set movie was shot a long time ago. It doesn't bother me not actually currently running trains, as I see the layout as a journey rather than a destination. I have enjoyed building vehicles for the layout https://www.marklin-user...sts/t47774-Z-gauge-buses still have 4 more Unimogs to complete. I have the paint colours ready to go, just looking for the time to paint.

Better to be busy with things to do rather having everything done and being bored to tears. Alternatively "Procrastination, mankind's greatest labour saving device!"
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Offline parakiet  
#17 Posted : 28 July 2022 23:40:56(UTC)
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When you drive, are those locs connected to eachother so they share pickup or are they just hooked?
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Offline Jags  
#18 Posted : 29 July 2022 00:17:39(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: parakiet Go to Quoted Post
When you drive, are those locs connected to eachother so they share pickup or are they just hooked?


For me I just simply hook them together and do not connect them electrically directly to each other. Technically speaking the electrical connection is happening through the tracks. The only benefit I see from hooking them up directly together electrically is if you are having problems with the individual Locos maintaining electrical contact with the tracks. This does happen with the Steam Locos on occasion, but the Diesels have not been a problem.
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Offline Toosmall  
#19 Posted : 29 July 2022 00:20:33(UTC)
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They are all just hooked up. Even the ICEs are simply hooked up, apart from bypassing the diodes I also ripped out the carriage power connector pieces to reduce weight. At the time I had 16 ICE cars & two power cars had no issues pulling (& pushing), now 18 cars, for 3 x 6 car sets (1 set is really tired). All my locos are the old 3 pole motors. I never saw the need to upgrade to 5 pole motors.

I have 6 of the original blue transformers. Also bought one of each of the newer transformers but really haven't tested them other than on a loco test loop track so don't really know what the new transformers are like.
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Offline Toosmall  
#20 Posted : 29 July 2022 00:25:03(UTC)
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I basically stuck with the heavy 4 axle diesel and electric locos as they pulled the best. I only have 2 steam locos.

Other "almost" double header options.
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Offline Toosmall  
#21 Posted : 29 July 2022 22:19:47(UTC)
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85mm (crop) end view.

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Offline Jags  
#22 Posted : 30 July 2022 11:32:57(UTC)
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So, I just purchased a pair of Class 50 Locomotives!! Marklin #8884 and #8154. Both from the same seller so I got a pretty good deal.

They are basically the same 3-pole design Locos with the only difference being markings and different tenders. Will make running both together a lot more realistic. And they should run pretty much the same and should work well together as a double-header for the Nostalgia Istanbul Orient Express.

Here they are:

ebay pair sm.jpg

orient express gerichtsberg 1983 clear.jpg

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Offline Toosmall  
#23 Posted : 30 July 2022 12:11:10(UTC)
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Very nice.


I don't seem to know what I have. Found two 120 electric locos in red, but one is a cargo, so close enough.
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Offline parakiet  
#24 Posted : 30 July 2022 19:13:06(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Jags Go to Quoted Post
So, I just purchased a pair of Class 50 Locomotives!! Marklin #8884 and #8154. Both from the same seller so I got a pretty good deal.

They are basically the same 3-pole design Locos with the only difference being markings and different tenders. Will make running both together a lot more realistic. And they should run pretty much the same and should work well together as a double-header for the Nostalgia Istanbul Orient Express.

Here they are:

ebay pair sm.jpg

Orient Express Gerichtsberg 1983 2 sm.png




Probably more economical than two new ones :D
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Offline Jags  
#25 Posted : 30 July 2022 23:04:27(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: parakiet Go to Quoted Post

Probably more economical than two new ones :D


Yes indeed! Got both of them for less than 250 Euros. One is still brand new in the box and the other is in excellent used condition. Both are tested running with no hardened oil syndrome.

Hoping they will be able to haul my ten coach Nostalgia Istanbul Orient Express composition!!

MY Actual NIOE Composition SM.png

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Offline parakiet  
#26 Posted : 31 July 2022 00:40:33(UTC)
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Nice deal.

Once my track is up I'll try some stuff too.

I scored the wagons here and there. Didn't got them with boxes or with the loc.
Nice thing is, as a museum train almost anything could have pulled it. They even ride these days across Europe!
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Offline Zme  
#27 Posted : 31 July 2022 02:25:56(UTC)
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Hello hope all is well.

Here is a Wiebe track construction and work train.

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Take good care.

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Offline parakiet  
#28 Posted : 31 July 2022 15:32:15(UTC)
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Since I have these diesel locs (V160, V200 and the NOHAB)


?t=31
Quote:
https://youtu.be/AnMT-sHf918?t=31

A V160 with a V200

?t=218
Quote:
https://youtu.be/r_aFO8_uOa4?t=218

Double header V200

?t=22
Quote:
https://youtu.be/P_cH53OqHgY?t=22

Triple V200


?t=129
Quote:
https://youtu.be/hzxH_e3VqJ4?t=129

Double header NOHAB

Always nice to see some footage, forum doesn't like the time-shortcut.. :)
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#29 Posted : 31 July 2022 17:37:48(UTC)
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Hi Eric, Hi Yall
What to add after all the above responses, especially from a HO enthusiast using Rocrail.

First some evident remarks (pardon me for this)
- Of course, pulling power is increased
- equal speed of used locos: In analogue mode, you can't tune the speed (except inserting a low value resistor in series with the fast running loco)
- not same power is dangerous. In slow speed, you run the risk of a loco reaching an isolated section, while the rear one is still under power which may cause the burning of its motor (in high speed, the risk is reduced because you may arrange that both locos reach the stop section thanks to inertia).
- Using digital is a totally different matter especially in combination with a train control software like Rocrail. I know in Z gauge it is non-standard and more difficult but still possible.

Digital added possibilities
- adjust the speed factor so that both selected locos run at the same speed such as to minimize the wear

Rocrail added possibilities
- have the locos in the front, in the rear, at both sides of the consist
- suppress all stop sections (so all locos remain connected and can receive orders)
- create multiple headers whereby one leading loco, can be complemented with "slave" locos (thus making a traction) and where all locos will receive the same order to stop, start, change directions, etc.

I hope this helps
Just for fun, here is my layout using Rocrail and digital (again, pardon me for this)

Cheers
Jean
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Offline parakiet  
#30 Posted : 31 July 2022 18:59:28(UTC)
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True. Dc in Z you have to try and combine.
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Offline Zme  
#31 Posted : 31 July 2022 20:09:20(UTC)
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Hello everyone, hope all is well.

I have heard these might be reasonable reasons why a double traction is used.

1. To move one locomotive from a location where it is not needed to a location where it is needed. In these cases, it might just be pulled like any other wagon.

2. To provide electrical power to other wagons in the consist. These might provide lighting or electric power for dining wagons. On the Wiebe work trains, the lead locomotive moves the train along, but the second locomotive might be used to produce power for some the machinery attached behind.

3. To pull heavy loads. These are controlled usually by the lead locomotive and add extra pulling power for heavy wagons such as a string of loaded ore wagons. On some occasions, a helper locomotive is deployed automatically on locations where steep grades are involved. It helps push the consist up the steep grade and detaches automatically when no longer needed. This is often seen in Geislingen.

We always enjoy a good double no matter the reason. We can easily do it in Z. Our reason for a double is for extra pulling power, and it looks real nice! Jean might have some good advice to consideri in his comment above.

It is a good idea to combine similar locomotives with the same motor. Three poles are said to be stronger but don’t start to move as early. 5 poles which start earlier are not as noisy, moving sooothly. Keeping the 3 poles together and the 5 poles together might be a good idea. This idea might be applied to the new motor as well.

Take good care.

Dwight
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#32 Posted : 31 July 2022 23:17:50(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: parakiet Go to Quoted Post

?t=129
Double header NOHAB

Always nice to see some footage, forum doesn't like the time-shortcut.. :)


Something that has intrigued me for a while - why do the NOHAB locos have that mesh on their windscreens?

Cheers


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#33 Posted : 31 July 2022 23:27:38(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zme Go to Quoted Post
Our reason for a double is for extra pulling power, and it looks real nice! Jean might have some good advice to consideri in his comment above.

It is a good idea to combine similar locomotives with the same motor. Three poles are said to be stronger but don’t start to move as early. 5 poles which start earlier are not as noisy, moving sooothly. Keeping the 3 poles together and the 5 poles together might be a good idea. This idea might be applied to the new motor as well.

Take good care.

Dwight




My thinking is this - in Z gauge, when a loco runs out of pulling power, it doesn't stall, it's wheels spin on the track. In a mis-matched double heading situation the same will happen - one or the other of the locos will loose traction and its wheels will just spin on the track. I can't envisage a scenario where on of the loco's motors is stalled such that it will overheat.

Cheers


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#34 Posted : 31 July 2022 23:54:52(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Poor Skeleton Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: parakiet Go to Quoted Post

?t=129
Double header NOHAB

Always nice to see some footage, forum doesn't like the time-shortcut.. :)


Something that has intrigued me for a while - why do the NOHAB locos have that mesh on their windscreens?

Cheers


Chris


If I am not mistaken that is the CFL loc. It's the first time I saw the mesh.
Since there are tracks between the rocks it is probably to protect against falling small stones and small boulders
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Offline Toosmall  
#35 Posted : 01 August 2022 01:00:22(UTC)
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Even with traction tyres the wheels spin. Also with extra weight so you will not stall the motor. I put the traction tyres on the third axle as this pushes down on the rail due to the gears and it is also more central to the loco's mass.

Probably the only thing you will do is wear out the gears a touch quicker if not serviced properly. I use Faller oil 489 25ml container. Firstly removing the Marklin oil which always sets as a waxy block (all my locos are old 3 pole motors).

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#36 Posted : 01 August 2022 02:05:11(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Poor Skeleton Go to Quoted Post

My thinking is this - in Z gauge, when a loco runs out of pulling power, it doesn't stall, it's wheels spin on the track. In a mis-matched double heading situation the same will happen - one or the other of the locos will loose traction and its wheels will just spin on the track. I can't envisage a scenario where on of the loco's motors is stalled such that it will overheat.

Cheers


Chris



Yes, this is exactly what happens. When you mix two Locos that run at different speeds the faster Loco will just spin its wheels. Happened when I put a BR218 behind my Class 01 Steam Loco. The BR218 wants to run faster so it just spun its wheels.

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#37 Posted : 01 August 2022 06:42:29(UTC)
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Just made another comparison photo!!

Round the Bend COMP.jpg
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#38 Posted : 03 August 2022 09:09:31(UTC)
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Put together a quick video with the double-header BR218 Locomotives and the Nostalgia Istanbul Orient Express. It can easily pull the 10 carriage consist. Calculated the scale speed in the video to about 35 miles per hour which is just about right for a train passing through a village.



MY NIOE Composition 218 sm.png
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Offline Mman  
#39 Posted : 03 August 2022 10:05:57(UTC)
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Very impressive!
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Offline Toosmall  
#40 Posted : 03 August 2022 14:29:25(UTC)
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I assume it is a level track, which has obvious benifits!
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Offline parakiet  
#41 Posted : 03 August 2022 20:17:06(UTC)
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don't underestimate those bogie diesels! All good pullers, more so if you add some weight
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Offline Jags  
#42 Posted : 03 August 2022 23:00:36(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Toosmall Go to Quoted Post
I assume it is a level track, which has obvious benifits!


Yes, it's all level track.

Offline Mman  
#43 Posted : 03 August 2022 23:20:02(UTC)
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Just tried out an early 8875 class 216 diesel pulling six bogie coaches around my Rokuhan figure of eight test track. It handled them easily with no slipping, I’ll have to sort out more similar coaches to the 87350 set to see what the limit is.
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Offline Jags  
#44 Posted : 03 August 2022 23:53:57(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Mman Go to Quoted Post
Just tried out an early 8875 class 216 diesel pulling six bogie coaches around my Rokuhan figure of eight test track. It handled them easily with no slipping, I’ll have to sort out more similar coaches to the 87350 set to see what the limit is.
ChrisG


Yes, six couches with a 216 or 218 is not a problem. Depending on the couches you may be able to do one or two more. The track configuration can also play a part. The more curves and the tighter the radius, the less you can pull.

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Offline Jags  
#45 Posted : 10 August 2022 06:15:51(UTC)
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I just received my two class 50 Locomotives! Unfortunately, one of them had a broken brush so now I have to wait for a new set to arrive. The other one was brand new, and it took a few minutes to break in, but it's running great now. Can't wait to get the other one up and running to see how well they will work as a double-header pair.

Here they are:

MY 50s SM.jpg

MY NIOE SM.jpg

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