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Offline OffColorOtter  
#1 Posted : 05 December 2021 14:43:01(UTC)
OffColorOtter

Germany   
Joined: 05/12/2021(UTC)
Posts: 2
Location: Brandenburg, Potsdam
Hey y'all!


I'm a complete novice Marklin owner with an old blue 220v Märklin Super transformer, and I think I've messed something up. I'm running a little 89028, and it was working well, but my lovely girlfriend pressed in on the control knob a few times in rapid succession in an effort to reverse it. Well, it went in reverse, but immediately stopped being able to move forward. Now, it can neither reverse nor go forward. When I give it juice, it just buzzes.

I whipped out another analogue loco, the incredible (to me) 44 690. Now this one A. lights up, so it's definitely getting power and B. can reverse without any issues at all, but it still can't move forward.

I did a lot of forum lurking and found some info about possibly a too-tight spring that makes it easy to reverse but difficult to go forward. I've tried unplugging and replugging, checking all the connections that I can find, tidying up the locomotives themselves.

The transformer, track, and locomotives are all fairly old and haven't received the maintenance they deserve, so there's also the possibility it's some hardened oil or something, but it's really puzzling to me that the 89028 was working so well before our reversal of fortune (get it?).

Any insight or ideas would be appreciated!
Offline JohnjeanB  
#2 Posted : 05 December 2021 15:32:26(UTC)
JohnjeanB

France   
Joined: 04/02/2011(UTC)
Posts: 3,114
Location: Paris, France
Hi
Welcome to the forum
From what you say, it looks like the transfo is OK but the relay in locos needs servicing
To be sure of this Are there any lights on when turning the transfo knob?
If yes check the loco relais and wiring
If no then the transfo needs servicing (wire between the contact blade and the overvoltage switch)
Don’t do it yourself if you don’t know electricity
Cheers
Jean
Offline kiwiAlan  
#3 Posted : 05 December 2021 17:16:07(UTC)
kiwiAlan

United Kingdom   
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC)
Posts: 8,102
Location: ENGLAND, Didcot
There a couple of possibilities with both locos.

First the field coil on the motor consists of two windings which have a common connection that goes to one motor brush, and the other two connections go to the reversing unit. It is possible one of the windings has gone open circuit for some reason, which will result in the motor turning only one direction. There are several possible reasons for the open circuit, but common ones are the wire breaks where it comes out of the plastic bobbin it is would on, or breaks where it is soldered onto the reverse unit.

Second the reverse unit could need adjustment. If it is the type that has a rotating assembly the contacts that make the switch on the side of the rotating piece can need (careful) adjustment to make proper contact. This can be verified by gently pushing on them to see if that helps. if it is the type of unit with a yoke that toggles back and forth then sometimes the yolk piece doesn't settle back to make contact with the fixed contacts.

But I would suggest you look at carefully cleaning and oiling both motors and gear trains. As these appear to have been out of use for a fair while the oil is likely to have dried out and a little lubrication will go a long way to helping it run. It doesn't need much, just a drop here and there.

IIRC there is a PDF of a Marklin maintenance guide on this forum. Perhaps someone has a link to it, which will help you understand what is required.

Offline Bigdaddynz  
#4 Posted : 05 December 2021 17:33:47(UTC)
Bigdaddynz

New Zealand   
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC)
Posts: 18,663
Location: New Zealand
Link to the Marklin Service Manual is in my 'Commonly Requested Documents' thread - https://www.marklin-user...ns---requested-documents
Offline kiwiAlan  
#5 Posted : 05 December 2021 17:51:58(UTC)
kiwiAlan

United Kingdom   
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC)
Posts: 8,102
Location: ENGLAND, Didcot
Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post
Link to the Marklin Service Manual is in my 'Commonly Requested Documents' thread - https://www.marklin-user...ns---requested-documents


Doh, why didn't I remember that Blushing Blushing Blushing

The relevant manual is 0733 towards the bottom of the second post.

Offline Martti Mäntylä  
#6 Posted : 05 December 2021 19:47:57(UTC)
Martti Mäntylä

Finland   
Joined: 15/11/2018(UTC)
Posts: 398
Location: Uusimaa, Helsinki
The problem has several potential explanations, several of which have already been mentioned above.

Still another is that the motor brushes are too worn out to make a good contact, or that the little springs pushing them are out of shape. This can be tested by using a tooth prick or like to press the brushes of a buzzing loco a bit against the armature. This would fit the case that the BR 89 028 oco does not move to either direction.

Why the BR 44 690 also caught the disease is another question. Was it working properly before? Note that it is may be a TELEX loco so it needs two pulses in succession for reversing. Typically, if a loco only moves to one direction, the cause is that one of the two connections to the field coil is broken.

Edited by user 06 December 2021 10:07:26(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

- Martti M.
Era III analog & digital (Rocrail, CAN Digital Bahn, Gleisbox/MS2, K83/K84), C & M tracks, some Spur 1
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