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Offline marklinist5999  
#1 Posted : 04 July 2021 17:20:17(UTC)
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I read the online technical manual, but it's not mentioned.
Also, do I ned to, or should I have the 60821 end circuits units on the decoder and the turnout motors connected to install the decoders?
Thak you!
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Offline clapcott  
#2 Posted : 05 July 2021 12:21:01(UTC)
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Re: Loading two M83 decoders into a CS3 connected together

If this is in relation to the 60832 (m83.2 = black = mfx discoverable) and using the "Discover mfx item" -with- "Get new address" on a CS (2/3)

I would recommend
- adding new items one at a time.
- labeling them with the address as discovered/set by the CS
- setting the DIP switches to match the address as configured by the CS.

If you do them all at once, you will have to go back and work out (by turning ports on and off and observing) which address was allocated to which item.

Further, if you wish to reconfigure an item for 8 port mode, you should (CS3 only at this stage)
- perform the mode change (once initially discovered)
- delete the item (which will delete the 4 port references)
- re discovery the item (which will find a 8 port window in the address space)



However if you
- know and manage your addresses yourself ,
- and have preset the DIP switches,
you may use the "keep address" option when doing the discovery(s), in this case you can go ahead and discover the items all at once
(the 4->8 port comment above still applies)



If you are not using the "Discover mfx item" method, then you do need to know the DIP switch address and protocol setting but can is the CS to define a new item anyway with the address and protocol you have set.
Peter
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Offline marklinist5999  
#3 Posted : 05 July 2021 13:48:44(UTC)
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Thank you Peter! I decided to select dcc mode and assign 3 digit addresses. This will eliviate any address cross use by lcomotives with these. I will do one at a time.
I found the archived webinar late last night also.
I don't have the 60821 turnout end curcuits yet. Should I wait to connect these as well before allowing the CS3 to load the M83's as new mfrx items?
Yesterday, I connected power to both M83's from the track. At first, I connected them off of the secondary track feed which leads to the far side of my layout. The CS3 detected a fault short. I disoconnected the second track feed from the wire nuts with the M83's and the fault ceased. However, The M83's had no power up flashing led's. Is that because I had not allowed mfx recognition or selected an address with the dip switches?
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Offline marklinist5999  
#4 Posted : 05 July 2021 15:55:18(UTC)
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Upon activating track power now since setting an adress on the frist decoder, still no power led, but there is a faint sound like a quiet computer drive for a second. Is it hunting for an mfx go ahead?
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Offline marklinist5999  
#5 Posted : 06 July 2021 01:06:50(UTC)
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Update; I connected a turnout to one m83, and installed it on the CS3. No 68021 end unit. It works.
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Offline marklinist5999  
#6 Posted : 06 July 2021 01:08:26(UTC)
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Marklin Dudes say the 60821 is only for LGB, not for ho.
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Offline clapcott  
#7 Posted : 06 July 2021 01:54:33(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 Go to Quoted Post
... but there is a faint sound like a quiet computer drive for a second. Is it hunting for an mfx go ahead?

Nothing so dramatic or intelligent

This is just the internal power supply of the m83 charging up (the capacitor) from the track signal.
The m83.1 (White = 60831) was/is a lot more noticeable, audibly, than the m832.2 (Black = 60832)

Quite noticeable , and scary, if you are inclined to do a lot of controller stop/starts.
And one reason for making use of a 6636x (OR EQUIVALENT 18-19VDC external power supply)
Peter
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Offline clapcott  
#8 Posted : 06 July 2021 01:59:03(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 Go to Quoted Post
Marklin Dudes say the 60821 is only for LGB, not for ho.
I hope they did not
at least they should have offered some broader perspective. Scale/Brand, per se, has nothing to do with it.

The item is referred to as ...
For the use of motorized turnout drives with switch-off at the end stop.

In the Maerklin/Trix/LGB stable it may very well be that the only, off the shelf, item offered comes from LGB.
However this does not mean other products do not exist.

p.s.
As per me previous comments on this product, 7/8 years ago now, this item is a very poorly marketed and placed item and not worth any consideration.
i.e. do not take my above explanation as an endorsement for the items use.
Peter
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Offline marklinist5999  
#9 Posted : 06 July 2021 22:30:40(UTC)
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They said it in the October 2020 webinar. It's on youtube. Marklin does clarify in the manual online for the 60821 that they allow the speed of the turnout motor to be fine tuned by adjusting macro parameters in the CS. Not something I am currently interested in doing nor spending $66 U.S. for, as I need 6. They are packagrd in units of 4.
I ordered myself a Viessmann crossing warning signal with the blinker unit. I'm adding a small reversing loop between two yard spurs, and the crossing will be there.
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Offline rbw993  
#10 Posted : 08 July 2021 17:47:12(UTC)
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The 60821 is not for use with standard Marklin turnout motors. It coverts the signal from the M83 into a polarity reversing switch. This is why it works for LGB switch motors - they use a two wire setup with polarity switching to tell the motor which way to drive. Might work with servo motors too but I have only had experience with the LGB motors.

Link to the insruction manual; https://cdn.shopify.com/...s-Marklin-60821.pdf?2136
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Offline marklinist5999  
#11 Posted : 08 July 2021 17:52:59(UTC)
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Well thank you Roger! It is unclear in the Marklin instructions, as they state using them then allows solenoid speed control. Nothing about converting thr M83 signal, only that reversing the two blue wires wil change the throw direction.
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Offline H0  
#12 Posted : 19 August 2021 10:06:20(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 Go to Quoted Post
Of course not, and I've been a victim also. It was either HO or Mike C. who told me I needed the M83 end circuits for my C track turnouts. In fact, you don't. Luckily I found out before my dealer shipped them. I saved myself $66.00 U.S.
Is this the thread where you were the victim? Or were you referring to a different thread?

I don't see Mike C or me recommending using the 60821 with Märklin H0 solenoids. That would not work anyway and would be bad advice.

Replying to this thread:
https://www.marklin-user...rklin-systems#post636482
Regards
Tom
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