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Offline Drk996tt  
#1 Posted : 22 April 2006 22:44:34(UTC)
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I wonder why Marklin does not make TGV as a export item. Licence issue? I know Mehano makes one.
Thanks in advance.
Offline dombas  
#2 Posted : 22 April 2006 22:52:21(UTC)
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Because Mehano, Jouef and Lima make/made one. So why another one.

Offline steventrain  
#3 Posted : 22 April 2006 23:00:44(UTC)
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Hello and welcome to the forum Drk996tt.Smile

I have seen number of Lima TGV at some model shops.
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Offline Gustavo Villa  
#4 Posted : 22 April 2006 23:05:23(UTC)
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There is an unwritten golden rule in the MRR industry. “Try always to produce a model nobody had produce before” and “Never produce another similar model of an already successful one produced by the concurrence”.

In the past 30 years this has been more o less the rule (not always respected), nowadays with a weak roco, limarrossi shy in the marker and the strong price war against piko, marklin/trix is releasing models already produced by the concurrence, but it is mostly a market reason.

Marklin TGV?, I don’t think so, German market is by far the most important market for marklin so Why release a model probably nobody in Germany will interested in? But, probably in the future will see real TGVs running in southern german lines, only then german market probably would be interested in TGVs.
Offline Drk996tt  
#5 Posted : 22 April 2006 23:07:31(UTC)
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I have only Marklin.biggrin
No hobby stores carry Mehano or Lima where I am. I like to see them in person. How about the quality of them compare to Marklin?
Thank you in advance.
Offline mmervine  
#6 Posted : 22 April 2006 23:12:57(UTC)
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Hello:

I have many Lima and Mehano TGV's. The Lima are very nicely detailed, but their weak point is their drive units. They used a very brittle plastic that has a tendency to break. Thus, a lot of gear failures. Also, the motors are not the best. It will be interesting to see how the new Chinese made Jouef (ex Lima/Hornby International) units stand up.

As for Mehano, they have a lower detailing qualitity, but a more rugged drive train. Miniture Wonderland operates a Mehano Thalys TGV in regular service on their Marklin layout.

For both, beware that you need at least R3 curves to operate.

r/mark
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Offline verheyen  
#7 Posted : 22 April 2006 23:26:19(UTC)
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Though you may not be close, Euro Lok Show near New York is a great dealer to buy from. They're online at http://www.eurolokshop.com.

-Peter

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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Drk996tt
<br />I have only Marklin.biggrin
No hobby stores carry Mehano or Lima where I am. I like to see them in person. How about the quality of them compare to Marklin?
Thank you in advance.
Offline verheyen  
#8 Posted : 22 April 2006 23:28:28(UTC)
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The Thalys has been running between Brussels and Cologne for years now and fits right in. Doesn't mean I'll buy one though...

Cheers, p.

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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Gustavo Villa
<br />German market is by far the most important market for marklin so Why release a model probably nobody in Germany will interested in? But, probably in the future will see real TGVs running in southern german lines, only then german market probably would be interested in TGVs.

Offline Gustavo Villa  
#9 Posted : 23 April 2006 03:31:55(UTC)
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As far as I understood the question Drk996tt was asking for the TGV, and TGV is the popular and commercial name for the original version (orange) and the atlantique version (blue and grey), thalis and duplex are not broadly called TGVs, same situation for the eurostar and for the ave, even though all of them are more or less TGVs by heart.

I agree that some lima items specially from the eighties are not the best models around, nevertheless the latest lima and jouef models of the TGVs were very good models with good running characteristics.

http://www.miba.de/testen/hochge.htm

To my taste, the only TGV worth buying is the blue and grey version in the Switzerland connection.
Offline mmervine  
#10 Posted : 23 April 2006 04:38:53(UTC)
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Gustavo:

The Thalys and Duplex models are indeed considered TGV's. In fact the Thalys PBA is just a TGV Reseau (tri-voltage) with a different paint scheme. The PBKA has the same trailers, but an improved power car able to handle quad voltages. The AVE and Euromed are the same as the TGV Atlantique, only with 8 trailers vs. 10 and the power cars are slightly more streamlined.

The Eurostar uses similar technology and the 14 car versions are used in France as TGV's.

r/mark
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Offline Gustavo Villa  
#11 Posted : 23 April 2006 05:04:42(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by mmervine
<br />Gustavo:

The Thalys and Duplex models are indeed considered TGV's. In fact the Thalys PBA is just a TGV Reseau (tri-voltage) with a different paint scheme. The PBKA has the same trailers, but an improved power car able to handle quad voltages. The AVE and Euromed are the same as the TGV Atlantique, only with 8 trailers vs. 10 and the power cars are slightly more streamlined.

The Eurostar uses similar technology and the 14 car versions are used in France as TGV's.

r/mark


Yes indeed, I know that all of them are technically TGVs inside.

But if you go for example to the Köln station and ask for a TGV ticket to the Netherlands and the only thing you will get is a big What?, For them the “commercial name” is the important thing, so they will call it “Thalis”, in England is “Eurostar”, etc., etc.

Check in the following map:
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from the official site:

http://www.tgv.com/de/en...-destination/offres.html
Offline al_pignolo  
#12 Posted : 24 April 2006 00:30:22(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: There is an unwritten golden rule in the MRR industry. “Try always to produce a model nobody had produce before” and “Never produce another similar model of an already successful one produced by the concurrence”.


This rule applies for most models... but not for all of them,as you said! It's true that Marklin will never produce a TGV because Mehano makes it. [:(]
But... what about some models such as schienenbus (I remember old Marklin, Lima, Fleischmann, Roco...) V200 (old Marklin, Roco, Fleischmann...)... ???? There is a little group of model with a very hard concurrence, and perhaps many other interesting trains that have never been produced!
Offline Timaximus  
#13 Posted : 24 April 2006 00:54:09(UTC)
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I'm still dreaming of a full metal version of the TGV Duplex from Märklin.
Hopefully it won't be a dream anymore someday.

Timaximus
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Offline Hemmerich  
#14 Posted : 24 April 2006 02:22:37(UTC)
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Probably the most logical answer would be "the TGV did not yet stop in Göppingen". :-)))

Now, since the agreement and successful acceptance tests, the TGV is planned to run between Paris, Stuttgart, München and Wien - so it shoul also be visible in G. in future! :-)

Regards,
Lutz
Offline steventrain  
#15 Posted : 24 April 2006 10:18:09(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich
<br />Probably the most logical answer would be "the TGV did not yet stop in Göppingen". :-)))

Regards,
Lutz



Yeah,agreed.
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Offline Gert-Jan  
#16 Posted : 24 April 2006 21:40:48(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich
<br />Probably the most logical answer would be "the TGV did not yet stop in Göppingen". :-)))


Come on you German and French people, admit there is some 'prestige' going on about the 'Train à Grande Vitesse'and its counterpart the 'InterCity Express' biggrin

I am also the proud owner of a Märklin H0 ICE 2, so are the Dutch Railways (NS) with their ICE3 wink
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Offline usbeauty  
#17 Posted : 25 April 2006 03:52:48(UTC)
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I think they are missing a marketing chance by not manufacturing TGV and Thalys and Eurostar models. Marklin - even today - makes many models of the old TEE trains. Yet how many people under the age of 35 remember the TEE trains? No wonder the younger generation isn't buying model trains.

Bruce
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Offline jonquinn  
#18 Posted : 25 April 2006 04:37:49(UTC)
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possibly a licensing issue, sort of like Union Pacific RR?
Offline steventrain  
#19 Posted : 25 April 2006 11:07:37(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Gert-Jan
<br />
Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich
<br />Probably the most logical answer would be "the TGV did not yet stop in Göppingen". :-)))


Come on you German and French people, admit there is some 'prestige' going on about the 'Train à Grande Vitesse'and its counterpart the 'InterCity Express' biggrin

I am also the proud owner of a Märklin H0 ICE 2, so are the Dutch Railways (NS) with their ICE3 wink



I do have ICE 39711 four car set with five extra car as well[^] but nothing in 2006 catalogue[xx(]
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Offline Seetal  
#20 Posted : 26 April 2006 05:47:00(UTC)
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Waiter, a Thalys and some Shinkansen please.

These are much more interesting looking than the ICE.

Didn't anyone else hear about that tunnel that connects Tokyo with Munich, Paris, & London? It will have ICE, TGV (all variants) and Shinkansen all ploughing their trade at tremendous speeds.

John
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