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We all know what Marklin track profile looks like; a strip of rolled steel formed in a loosely shaped rail shape. Why is it that Marklin doesn't use solid extruded rail (code 100, etc). Wheel profile could also be compatible with NMRA standards and would look more proto than the current deep flange wheels.
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Originally Posted by: Mr. Ron  We all know what Marklin track profile looks like; a strip of rolled steel formed in a loosely shaped rail shape. Why is it that Marklin doesn't use solid extruded rail (code 100, etc). Wheel profile could also be compatible with NMRA standards and would look more proto than the current deep flange wheels. Only Märklin can answer this |
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BUT.. Their rail IS solid extruded/machined metal. Both K and C types. -And Trix tracks too. A total of 3 different profiles adhering to different norms. Who could ask for more? ;-)
Only the ancient M-track (no longer produced or sold by Märklin) is based on an ancient production method of pressed sheets of metal. |
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Originally Posted by: Mr. Ron We all know what Marklin track profile looks like; a strip of rolled steel formed in a loosely shaped rail shape. Why is it that Marklin doesn't use solid extruded rail (code 100, etc). Wheel profile could also be compatible with NMRA standards and would look more proto than the current deep flange wheels. Hello Ronald, Your question is based on your familiarity with and use of M track. Märklin have well and truly moved beyond M track to both K and C track which are solid section and well received by modellers. But M track is still available quite cheaply, hence its' appeal to some modellers. I too have modelled in many different standards. In your current layout build you will likely discover that in spite of what may seem like coarse track and wheel standards you can run trains faultlessly. That is my experience so Märklin standards do not bother me at all. That has made it easy for me to build and run a layout, and that means so much to me after most of a lifetime of modelling without the joy of running trains. I hope your layout building progresses well and you get the satisfaction of seeing those great models running as they should. Kimball |
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Originally Posted by: hxmiesa BUT.. Their rail IS solid extruded/machined metal. Both K and C types. -And Trix tracks too. A total of 3 different profiles adhering to different norms. Who could ask for more? ;-)
Only the ancient M-track (no longer produced or sold by Märklin) is based on an ancient production method of pressed sheets of metal. Not quite correct, the original 2100 series K track also had the rolled sheet metal rail like M track. That is the difference between 2100 series and 2200 series K track.
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Originally Posted by: Mr. Ron Why is it that Marklin doesn't use solid extruded rail (code 100, etc). Märklin K track has extruded code 100 rails from stainless steel. Märklin C track has extruded code 90 rails from stainless steel. Trix C track has extruded code 83 rails from nickel silver. Märklin is more advanced than you know. |
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Originally Posted by: H0 Originally Posted by: Mr. Ron Why is it that Marklin doesn't use solid extruded rail (code 100, etc). Märklin K track has extruded code 100 rails from stainless steel. Märklin C track has extruded code 90 rails from stainless steel. Trix C track has extruded code 83 rails from nickel silver. Märklin is more advanced than you know. Not quite true, Tom. The centre pukos are made from steel, which rusts very quickly in humid conditions. If Marklin were really advanced then they would make the pukos out of nickel silver or similar. However, I'm sure the beancounters at Marklin prevent them from doing this - price is their main objective. |
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Nope, the pukos are made of steel to prevent the sliders from wearing out, the pukos wears out instead , but normally the wear is spread over a much longer distance, the sliders lasts very long time, i wouldnt be happy if they wore out within hours of use, maybe the beancounters would be?
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It is also easier to blacken the steel so it blends in. If the pukos were the same material as the rail they would stick out like dogs balls, and then everyone would complain about that instead
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Originally Posted by: Henrik Schütz Nope, the pukos are made of steel to prevent the sliders from wearing out, the pukos wears out instead , but normally the wear is spread over a much longer distance, the sliders lasts very long time, i wouldnt be happy if they wore out within hours of use, maybe the beancounters would be?
Henrik Oh come on Henrik. If the sliders were made of the same material they wouldn't wear out that fast. I'd be very happy to replace sliders and have constant power supply to my locomotives. Regards Greg |
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Originally Posted by: Drongo Not quite true, Tom. The centre pukos are made from steel, which rusts very quickly in humid conditions. I did not mention the pukos as this thread is about rails. AFAIK the pukos are made of tin-plate. It's sure they are not stainless and easily get rusty. |
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The pick-up shoe needs to be "softer" than the 3rd rail. You don't want track to wear out and need to be replaced; much easier to replace the pick-up.
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Originally Posted by: Mr. Ron The pick-up shoe needs to be "softer" than the 3rd rail. You don't want track to wear out and need to be replaced; much easier to replace the pick-up. The third rail wears out and finally tracks must be replaced. This happens at the MiWuLa, at the Märklin museum, and at other public layouts. Usually no issue for our spare-time layouts. |
Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS |
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I'm a little confused now - do we agree that it's better to replace the sliders than replace the track ? So, the third rail should be made of a metal that won't easily rust. Therefore, the track will have better electrical conductivity and the track will be more reliable.
Hence, the question to Marklin - why don't you make the 3rd rail with a metal that won't easily rust ? Oh. Don't bother asking, the the answer is simple - "It costs too much ". Solution - have 2 classes of track. One with the cheap 3rd rail and the other with the quality 3rd rail. Oh. That's right Marklin management wouldn't understand this concept - it far too simple. |
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