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Offline MärCo  
#1 Posted : 12 April 2006 23:42:04(UTC)
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Actually, it was my intention to surprise Zora, but this method can also be used to add some more variation in cars for Thomas the Tank Engine.

Basis is the Märklin 44129 tank car from the separate available cars from Thomas the Tank Engine. The cars with inscription "Milk" and "Tar". I assumed that Hornby would use the same basis for all the cars, to save cost. And so they did. The same way as Märklin does with the 44XX series of cars, which I rebuilded so many times.

First, buy a Hornby car:
R 9055 Sodor Fuel
R 9204 Rasberry Sirup
R 6209 Cream Tanker
R 9056 Sodor Scrap
R 9068 S.C. Ruffey
I am not sure about the closed cars. But keep me informed if the frame of these cars is the same.

And a Märklin 44129 "Milk" or "Tar" of course.

Remove the wheels from the Märklin and Hornby cars. Bend the outer frame (1 in picture) OUTwards. Only the frame, NOT the inside mounted brakes. Do it gently, so you won't risking braking the brakes and other small parts on the frame.

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The pins (2 in the picture) of the upper part of the cars are solid and won't bend. First I thought I could bend them inwards, but that will not work. The trick is to OUTward bend the frame, something you wouldn't expect.

Change the upper part of the cars and click them together.
Put the wheels back in place. Take the one you took from the Märklin car, the Hornby wheels have too small flanges.

Finished.

I post the pictures of the rebuilding later, after Zora's birthday.
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Offline steventrain  
#2 Posted : 13 April 2006 09:40:44(UTC)
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Yes,it is hornby and made in china.
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Offline MärCo  
#3 Posted : 16 April 2006 14:06:51(UTC)
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As promised, a picture from the rebuilded cars:

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I used frames from Märklin 44129 and the upper part of Hornby R 6212 Adler & Allan and R 6211B Chance & Hunt.
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Offline Red Moose  
#4 Posted : 16 April 2006 21:38:01(UTC)
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Why rebuild? Is it beacause the Hornby seems to lack a NEM-pocket?

//Erik
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#5 Posted : 16 April 2006 23:25:52(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Red Moose
<br />Why rebuild? Is it beacause the Hornby seems to lack a NEM-pocket?

//Erik

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Offline MärCo  
#6 Posted : 17 April 2006 23:09:13(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Red Moose
<br />Why rebuild? Is it beacause the Hornby seems to lack a NEM-pocket?
//Erik


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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by MärCo
<br />Actually, it was my intention to surprise Zora, but this method can also be used to add some more variation in cars for Thomas the Tank Engine.


That is to say, the Märklin Thomas the Tankengine series has only 3 variations of cars.

And more:
There are some crazy people like me who want to have cars no one else have, but still like to share that information wink.
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Offline Red Moose  
#7 Posted : 18 April 2006 19:08:20(UTC)
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Reason for asking, is that I sent my mother in law to England to buy some more cars for her grandsons Thomas the Tank engine set. I hope that they will fit standard Märklin couples, or that I can make a couple conversion on one waggon.

Otherwise I am in deep s**t with my 4-year old son....

//Erik
Offline MärCo  
#8 Posted : 18 April 2006 20:11:34(UTC)
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From the numbers given by me, it is possible. Note that not all cars can be rebuilded, for some goods cars from Hornby's Thomas the Tankengine are longer. You also need 44129 cars "Milk" or "Tar" for every car you rebuild. But the rebuilding it is possible, but you can better tell your son after the rebuilding wink.
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Offline MärCo  
#9 Posted : 22 April 2006 18:01:21(UTC)
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A list for the non-Thomas The Tank Engine cars:

R 6212 Adler & Allan
R 6211B Chance & Hunt
R 6243A Whitecliff Lime Company (with No.6 on the low right corner)
R 6239A Mc Kay
R 6238 I.W. Baldwin & Co.
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Offline MärCo  
#10 Posted : 20 July 2006 11:47:54(UTC)
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I could not resist this. So I also rebuilded the passenger cars 44129 "Annie" and "Clarabel".
These are a bit easier to do, because you have only to clip and unclip the body of the car to separate it from the frame. The clips are on the outer corners at the underside of the frame and easy to find.

From Hornby you need:

R466 GWR 4 wheel passenger coach
R468 LMS 4 wheel passenger coach
R4135 Southern 4 wheel passenger coach

I specially like the GWR coach, in chocolate and cream colours, golden lining and white roof.

See for yourself —&gt;

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Offline MärCo  
#11 Posted : 22 October 2006 16:15:54(UTC)
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There are new item number for the tank cars.
Märklin 44132 "Milk" (was 44129),
Märklin 44133 "Tar" (was 44129).
The new Hornby R 6320 SLB Lime Wagon also fits on the frame from Märklin 44132 or 44133.

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Offline MärCo  
#12 Posted : 28 October 2006 14:35:27(UTC)
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Brake Van

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A brake van can also be made. The rebuilding is a bid tricky, but if you follow this instructions it can be done.

You need:
— Märklin 44129 "Annie" or "Clarabel".
— Hornby R 109 or R 9202 brake van.

The housing of the brake van (R 109 or R 9202) is made of 2 parts. At the underside of the frame you will find 8 clips that fits the body to the frame. First unclip the inner 4 clips (marked "1" on the photo). The body of the brake van will come loose. Second unclip the outer 4 clips (marked "2" on the photo). The end platforms will come loose. Rebuild this 2 parts in reverse order on the Märklin frame of 44129 "Annie" or "Clarabel".

The body of 44129 "Annie" or "Clarabel" is clipped only with 4 clips to the frame, at the outer corners of the frame.

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Have fun.
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Offline WelshMatt  
#13 Posted : 28 October 2006 23:20:04(UTC)
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It looks as though Marklin have simply tooled new underframes for these. You could also look in the Dapol and Bachmann ranges for other stock - you'd need to exchange couplings but Hornby offer a suitable coupling to fit NEM pockets, so you could use one of these wagons at each end of a rake as convertors. Dapol wagons are made in Wales and are excellent value, although you may want to rewheel them if you buy an older example with plastic wheels.

Of course, if you want some seriously upmarket OO coaches Hornby's new LNER stock has proper close coupling mounts that will take Marklin close-couplers. The interiors on these are something special - the buffet car even has the glass case on the serving counter and the chromed rail below!
Matt from Wales.

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Offline MärCo  
#14 Posted : 28 October 2006 23:56:52(UTC)
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I once tried Bachmann Mk 1 coaches, but found out that the NEM couplings are not at the correct height. My passenger cars are converted Lima Mk 1, 2 and 3 cars, but Lima does not excist anymore. Lima did made wheels for AC, that was a great advantage. The spare bogies from Lima could be ordered with Märklin couplings and with tension/hook couplings. Only the first and last car of my English passenger train has Märklin couplings. The couplings in between are tension/hook.
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Offline WelshMatt  
#15 Posted : 29 October 2006 00:30:07(UTC)
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That's a major cause for complaint here too. Why Bachmann didn't get the NEM pockets right is beyond me, especially as Keen Systems offer replacement drawbars that give the right height and spacing. Hornby's LNER stock is currently the only British stock with close coupling fitted according to NEM standards.

All is not lost for the Bachmann stock however. Hornby offer some NEM pocket couplings that look like the Roco ones but are slightly too long for proper close coupling. If you fit them to Bachmann stock however they work well as the Bachmann pockets are too far back. I have a rake of their MK1s fitted with these and it works well enough for a fixed set (they need some assistance to couple or uncouple).
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Offline Seetal  
#16 Posted : 30 October 2006 04:23:10(UTC)
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All you need to do now is figure out how to get the piezo electronics to operate the face of the Thomas. I say it in jest, but I would imagine it would be a real money earner.

John
Offline MärCo  
#17 Posted : 03 February 2007 22:44:31(UTC)
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Hornby set R9092 has three cars that can be rebuilded by using Märklin cars. One Märklin 44131 (or 44129) is needed and two 44132 ("Milk" car). The Hornby "SODOR scrap" car has a different frame, but the clipping is the same as the Märklin "Milk" car.
I have learned that much old Hornby stock is based on Triang cars. Perhaps here are some possibilities to rebuild cars.
Well, at least my "Percy" is very busy by shunting all these cars biggrin!
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Offline MärCo  
#18 Posted : 06 February 2007 00:13:56(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by WelshMatt
<br />Has anyone popped the lid off Percy yet? Just thinking if this is the Hornby Percy shell (which it looks like) then it might be possible to swap the bodyshell with other Hornby locos such as R782

The chassis might also fit under Bill/Ben from their range, but the bodyshells on these are a bit overscale and tend to demolish scenery. Fine on a carpetbahn but not on a fixed layout!


I have studied that possibility. The problem is that the coupling from "Bill/Ben" is attachted to the front board, and not to the frame like "Percy" If I would rebuild that model, I would first like to see the Hornby model of "Bill/Ben". If the coupling on the front board is mounted like a NEM coupling, than rebuilding can be done. But at the moment I would not like to take that gamble.
"Bill|Ben" might be a bit overscaled, but I think that a 30cm long coach causes more trouble on a layout.

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Offline MärCo  
#19 Posted : 06 February 2007 00:18:30(UTC)
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Hornby R782 —&gt;

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I think the open back will be a problem. Märklin builded the Delta decoder behind the DC motor, and I expect that it will be exposed to the open in this model.
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#20 Posted : 06 February 2007 19:22:20(UTC)
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The Smokey Joe R782 was in still production since 1984.
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Offline MärCo  
#21 Posted : 20 March 2007 21:24:09(UTC)
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At the moment I am doing some investigation if the body of "Bill/Ben" fits on the frame of Märklin 36121 "Percy". Much depends on the replies I will recieve, but I'll keep you informed.
I'm still very much in doubt about the fitting of the coupling of "Bill/Ben", which opposite to Percy is not fitted on the frame.

At the moment I am fitting the body of Hornby R9203 cattle wagon to the frame of Märklin 44131. This needs some more attention, because the outer clips are placed just a little bit further outwards than the open wagon of 44131. The reason behind this is unknown to me, but it means that I have to cut the clips into half. Cutting the clips into half weakens the clips a bit, and to make the fitting stronger, I applied some glue in the middle of the car. This is the first car of the range that needs some attention, but with basic skills it can be simply done.
It would be nice if I know where to buy some transfers with lettering, because the details on the cattle car is poor. Hornby R9213 circus cattle van is much more attractive.

I suspect that the cattle cars from Hornby are from the former Tri-ang Model Railways range, a company that Hornby took over. If so, a horse box car could also be made. But for that I need a bit more information from the UK model railroaders.

Link —&gt; http://www.tri-ang.co.uk/
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#22 Posted : 16 April 2007 00:58:41(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by MärCo
<br />Hornby R782 —&gt;

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I think the open back will be a problem. Märklin builded the Delta decoder behind the DC motor, and I expect that it will be exposed to the open in this model.

Hattons in Liverpool had a bargain with a simular green locomotive "Little Giant". I have ordered this one, so I can see how the locomotive is build. I think it was once part of a starter set.
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#23 Posted : 16 April 2007 01:02:58(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by WelshMatt
<br />It looks as though Marklin have simply tooled new underframes for these. You could also look in the Dapol.......

Studied the history of Dapol, and it seems to be they also use the moulds of Hornby.

Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by wikipedia
<br />Dapol Ltd are a Welsh company which designs and manufacturers model railway products at its factory near Chirk in Wales close to the border with England.
The Dapol trading name is known throughout the World for its model railway products having purchased the moulds and designs from Airfix and also the former Hornby Dublo range from G & R Wrenn in 1993 as well as its own range of N scale and OO scale models. Unfortunately in 1994 while the company was moving to its previous location at Llangollen in North Wales a huge fire destroyed the old site at Northwich near Manchester, and large amounts of products and of historical Wrenn material were destroyed.
In 1996 Dapol sold many of its model railway lines to Hornby.
In 1998 the company came under the control of a new board of directors headed by the experienced George Smith.
In 2001 Dapol sold the little exploited Wrenn product line and trading name to three G & R Wrenn collectors.
For a period ending in 2001 Dapol also produced a wide range of Doctor Who models, many of which are now considered highly collectable. In 2002 the BBC caused considerable upset by declining to renew the licenses to make the Doctor Who products. Dapol also hosted the 'BBC Doctor Who Experience' exhibition until 2003.
In 2004 Dapol were awarded the prestigious award of 'UK Small Business of the Year'.


See also:
http://www.dapol.co.uk/c...page=dapol00/wagons.html

They have a beautifull kit of a girder railway bridge. Maybe I will also order a goods car.
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Offline MärCo  
#24 Posted : 28 April 2007 23:40:30(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by MärCo
<br />
Hattons in Liverpool had a bargain with a simular green locomotive "Little Giant". I have ordered this one, so I can see how the locomotive is build. I think it was once part of a starter set.

This gamble didn't work out, because the body of "Little Giant" (Hornby) doesn't fit on "Percy" (Märklin). The boiler of "Little Giant" is too small to house the metal weight on the frame from "Percy".
I did give my an insight about how both locomotives are builded. The frame from Hornby is from plastic, and is not solid. The frame from the Märklin locomotive is from solid metal and heavy. Hornby uses plastic gearing and no flywheel. Märklin uses metal gearing and a brass flywheel. The Märklin locomotive has little magnets for additional adhesion.
The coupling rods of the Märklin locomotive are screwed on the wheels and can be removed for maintenance. The Hornby coupling rods can not be removed. Although both locomotives has a DC motor, the quality of the Märklin motor is obvious.
The Märklin locomotive has a decoder, the Hornby locomotive has even not a provision for a DCC decoder.

Conclusion: only the body of "Percy" is shared with Hornby, but the inside of the Märklin "Percy" is 100% German quality.
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