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Offline morsing  
#1 Posted : 12 August 2020 19:52:50(UTC)
morsing

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I've hooked up a 60882 that I bought a few months ago, and it makes all the sensors on the CS3 track plan light up and flicker. I tried removing leads from it one by one, and now I have only that S88 attached to the CS3 and no wires attached to the S88, but it still spams the CS3 with unknown events.

Rocrail lists hundreds of sensor events per second:

20200812.184728.485 r9999a 993EC700 OModel 5224 trying to match sensor event: [CS3] id=[] 1:60 uidname=[] state=1 code= regval=0 info=
20200812.184728.485 r9999a 993EC700 OModel 5260 sensor key: 1_60_CS3_
20200812.184728.485 r9999a 993EC700 OModel 5280 unregistered sensor event: [CS3] 1:60 uidname=[]
20200812.184728.485 r9999c mbusrdr9 OMBUS 0964 sensor 1:61 state=1 value=10
20200812.184728.485 r9999a 993EC700 OModel 5224 trying to match sensor event: [CS3] id=[] 1:61 uidname=[] state=1 code= regval=0 info=
20200812.184728.486 r9999a 993EC700 OModel 5260 sensor key: 1_61_CS3_
20200812.184728.486 r9999a 993EC700 OModel 5280 unregistered sensor event: [CS3] 1:61 uidname=[]
20200812.184728.486 r9999c mbusrdr9 OMBUS 0964 sensor 1:62 state=1 value=10
20200812.184728.486 r9999a 993EC700 OModel 5224 trying to match sensor event: [CS3] id=[] 1:62 uidname=[] state=1 code= regval=0 info=
20200812.184728.487 r9999a 993EC700 OModel 5260 sensor key: 1_62_CS3_
20200812.184728.487 r9999a 993EC700 OModel 5280 unregistered sensor event: [CS3] 1:62 uidname=[]

It is completely broken? Or something else?

Thanks
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Offline David Dewar  
#2 Posted : 12 August 2020 23:29:14(UTC)
David Dewar

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Does the S88 work without any other software involved.
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Offline morsing  
#3 Posted : 13 August 2020 10:23:33(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: David Dewar Go to Quoted Post
Does the S88 work without any other software involved.


Hi,

What do you mean? Something needs to connect to and read the module?

As soon as that module is involved, even before any track power is applied, all sensors light up and constantly flicker.

Thanks
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Offline David Dewar  
#4 Posted : 13 August 2020 12:53:46(UTC)
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I dont have Rocrail so was just wondering if this is involved in any way.
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Offline morsing  
#5 Posted : 13 August 2020 12:55:01(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: David Dewar Go to Quoted Post
I dont have Rocrail so was just wondering if this is involved in any way.


No, I only connected Rocrail so I could see messages coming through.
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Offline morsing  
#6 Posted : 13 August 2020 15:49:51(UTC)
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I'm sending it back under warranty, can't see this being anything other than a fault...
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Offline klarinettmeister  
#7 Posted : 14 August 2020 19:04:39(UTC)
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Just remember you must have the S88 ground connected to ground on the layout.
Offline morsing  
#8 Posted : 14 August 2020 21:27:48(UTC)
morsing

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Originally Posted by: klarinettmeister Go to Quoted Post
Just remember you must have the S88 ground connected to ground on the layout.


Why do you think that?
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Offline PeFu  
#9 Posted : 14 August 2020 23:08:20(UTC)
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According your profile, you’re using C tracks? The 60882 is meant for 2-rail tracks. How have you connected the 60882 to your layout?
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Offline clapcott  
#10 Posted : 16 August 2020 06:59:16(UTC)
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Ignoring the marketing hype of what Marklin call erroneously S88AC and S88DC and any compounding, totally irreverent, reference to "2 Rail" or "3 Rail" ...
A 60882 can be used with C-Track ( or any other 3 rail system)

But Yes, please describe exactly HOW you have hooked it up.

The interrupts depicted would indicate to me that there is a rouge floating hookup and you are sampling an unreferenced/unterminated signal line.
Hooking up a 60882 as if it were a 6088(0) or 60881 or 60883 (in non-matrix mode) might very well cause the symptom
Peter
Offline morsing  
#11 Posted : 17 August 2020 10:42:16(UTC)
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Indeed, I don't know what planet the Marklin marketing people were on when they named these modules.

So let's establish some facts:

1) The incorrectly named S88 AC module measures open/closed circuits
2) The incorrectly named S88 DC module measures current
3) The terminals on the S88 DC are electrically isolated from the electronics measuring the current (I would hope)

On my layout, I hook up positive to "Ground" on the S88 module and feed the center rails from the terminals. I already have three other modules connected this way and it works great. The advantage to using the DC module over the AC module is that is it easier, less intrusive and gives greater reliability as you always have two ground rails for the trains. By hooking up the module to positive instead of ground, it means ground is completely un-broken though-out my layout adding to reliability. The down-side is that it only detects power consumption so can't see normal freight cars.

I have one S88 AC module that I use for the end of sidings so I can reverse freight cars in.

I currenly have three S88 DC and one S88 AC modules, all working fine.

Even if I un-hook everything from the module and connect only that module to the CS3, I still get the spurious events coming through.

Regards,
Henrik
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Marklin C-track + CS3+
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Offline blid  
#12 Posted : 17 August 2020 12:30:17(UTC)
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What you are describing is what happened so often to the old 6088s with flat cables. They picked up interference from nearby power wires. I guess you have tried one of the working DC versions on the exact same spot where the faulty one is to verify that it is not an interference problem.
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Offline morsing  
#13 Posted : 18 August 2020 18:59:08(UTC)
morsing

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Mystery solved... I think!

When I started to remove it to send it back, I realised I had plugged the bus cables in the wrong way.

Sad think is, plugging them in right way doesn't fix the issue. Would plugging them in wrong have broken the module? That's a bit weak...

Regards,
Henrik
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Modelling west Denmark era IV - possibly with some out-of-place elements!
Marklin C-track + CS3+
12m2 layout to be controlled by RocRail
Offline Minok  
#14 Posted : 18 August 2020 22:14:03(UTC)
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When you say plugged in the wrong way, they are RJ45 plugs and only go in one way... did you plug them into the wrong RJ45 port (say the input port rather than the output port)?
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Offline morsing  
#15 Posted : 19 August 2020 09:59:09(UTC)
morsing

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Originally Posted by: Minok Go to Quoted Post
When you say plugged in the wrong way, they are RJ45 plugs and only go in one way... did you plug them into the wrong RJ45 port (say the input port rather than the output port)?


Hi,

The modules have "flow" arrows, >, pointing towards the CS3 (I believe).

Update though, as I have tracked it down to a faulty UTP cable. Everything works fine now.

Thanks
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Modelling west Denmark era IV - possibly with some out-of-place elements!
Marklin C-track + CS3+
12m2 layout to be controlled by RocRail
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