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Offline gauravk84  
#1 Posted : 09 June 2020 17:56:25(UTC)
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Hi,

The 60173 booster does not come with a transformer. I have a spare transformer with me. It is 32 VA meant for analogue operation.
Can I use that with the booster? or do I need the 60VA or 100 VA?
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Offline clapcott  
#2 Posted : 10 June 2020 09:45:39(UTC)
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As per the manual the 60173 is able to deliver 3A from a 50VA (Ideal at the time) 60052/6055 transformer.

Your 32VA may be used up to , conservatively, 1.5A. This is fine for a small isolated spur or I would happily put all my accessories k83/k84 on it

A 60061 power supply is the optimal,
A 100VA powersupply is overkill as it is the 60173 that is the limiting factor

However, please note that these boosters work in conjunction with a CS2 and a setting in the CS2 determines when to flag an overload.
The configuration for this uses the product name and "60052" is the only transformer option offered.

Thus, should you load up your layout >1.5A approaching 2A it is your transformer that will cutout first.

You may also be interested in ....
https://www.maerklin.de/...ationen/schaltnetzteile/
Peter
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Offline PerR  
#3 Posted : 10 June 2020 10:01:36(UTC)
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Is it really a 60173 booster you have and not a 60174?
Märklin offered to replace the 60173's many years ago when the made the new 60174.
As I remember it was due to a design issue.
In the beginning use of 60213 with 60173 boosters required that all three rails were isolated at the border between the areas connected to a 60213 or 60173.
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Offline gauravk84  
#4 Posted : 10 June 2020 13:28:10(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: clapcott Go to Quoted Post
As per the manual the 60173 is able to deliver 3A from a 50VA (Ideal at the time) 60052/6055 transformer.

Your 32VA may be used up to , conservatively, 1.5A. This is fine for a small isolated spur or I would happily put all my accessories k83/k84 on it

A 60061 power supply is the optimal,
A 100VA powersupply is overkill as it is the 60173 that is the limiting factor

However, please note that these boosters work in conjunction with a CS2 and a setting in the CS2 determines when to flag an overload.
The configuration for this uses the product name and "60052" is the only transformer option offered.

Thus, should you load up your layout >1.5A approaching 2A it is your transformer that will cutout first.

You may also be interested in ....
https://www.maerklin.de/...ationen/schaltnetzteile/


Thanks for the information. I might use the 32VA on a smaller section of the layout otherwise I will get the 50VA transformer.
Some of my solenoids have failed recently. Could it be because of poor power supply to my layout? Will the booster fix that?
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Offline gauravk84  
#5 Posted : 10 June 2020 13:30:08(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PerR Go to Quoted Post
Is it really a 60173 booster you have and not a 60174?
Märklin offered to replace the 60173's many years ago when the made the new 60174.
As I remember it was due to a design issue.
In the beginning use of 60213 with 60173 boosters required that all three rails were isolated at the border between the areas connected to a 60213 or 60173.




Yes I bought it a long time ago but did not use it. Yes it requires all three rails to be isolated. I'm not sure how to isolate them. Can you lend some advice on this?
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Offline H0  
#6 Posted : 15 June 2020 09:16:19(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: gauravk84 Go to Quoted Post
Yes it requires all three rails to be isolated.
You can have one unit without galvanic insulation (60173, 60213, early 60214) without requiring insulation of all three rails.
If all other devices are insulated (60174, 60215, later 60214) then only centre-rail insulation is needed.

Originally Posted by: gauravk84 Go to Quoted Post
I'm not sure how to isolate them.
H0 gauge? M track? K track? C track? Other track?
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Offline PerR  
#7 Posted : 15 June 2020 09:37:40(UTC)
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You can have one unit without galvanic insulation (60173, 60213, early 60214) without requiring insulation.
If all other devices are insulated (60174, 60215, later 60214) then only centre-rail insulation is needed.?

If the digital controller is of the same age as the 60173 booster then it is likely that isolation of all three rails are required.
Please tell us a little bit more about the the other digital components in your system.
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Offline H0  
#8 Posted : 15 June 2020 11:15:19(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PerR Go to Quoted Post
If the digital controller is of the same age as the 60173 booster then it is likely that isolation of all three rails are required.
Only if both are connected to the same track.
If a bricked 60213 was sent to Märklin and was replaced by a 60215, then the problem no longer exists with a single 60173.

Regards
Tom
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Offline gauravk84  
#9 Posted : 15 June 2020 13:11:09(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: gauravk84 Go to Quoted Post
Yes it requires all three rails to be isolated.
You can have one unit without galvanic insulation (60173, 60213, early 60214) without requiring insulation of all three rails.
If all other devices are insulated (60174, 60215, later 60214) then only centre-rail insulation is needed.

Originally Posted by: gauravk84 Go to Quoted Post
I'm not sure how to isolate them.
H0 gauge? M track? K track? C track? Other track?


c track
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Offline gauravk84  
#10 Posted : 15 June 2020 13:12:58(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PerR Go to Quoted Post
You can have one unit without galvanic insulation (60173, 60213, early 60214) without requiring insulation.
If all other devices are insulated (60174, 60215, later 60214) then only centre-rail insulation is needed.?

If the digital controller is of the same age as the 60173 booster then it is likely that isolation of all three rails are required.
Please tell us a little bit more about the the other digital components in your system.



Other digital components include the CS2, k83 decoders, s88 60880 and turnouts with digital decoders. all purchased 2009/10.
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Offline PerR  
#11 Posted : 15 June 2020 13:59:41(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: gauravk84 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: PerR Go to Quoted Post
You can have one unit without galvanic insulation (60173, 60213, early 60214) without requiring insulation.
If all other devices are insulated (60174, 60215, later 60214) then only centre-rail insulation is needed.?

If the digital controller is of the same age as the 60173 booster then it is likely that isolation of all three rails are required.
Please tell us a little bit more about the the other digital components in your system.



Other digital components include the CS2, k83 decoders, s88 60880 and turnouts with digital decoders. all purchased 2009/10.


The way you have to isolate between sections feeded by CS2 and 60173, depends on the part number of your CS2.

If it is a 60213 then you have to isolate all three rails. (my guess that this is your version)
If it is a 60214 with a hardware version number less than 4.33, then you have to isolate all three rails.
If it is a 60214 with a hardware version number is 4.33 or higher, then you only need to isolate the center rail.
If it is a 60215 then you only need to isolate the center rail.

For C-tracks you can use the the Märklin part number 74030 for isolation. https://www.maerklin.de/...s/details/article/74030/

When you have to isolate all three rails, then you need 2 pieces at each side at the border.
When you have to isolate only the center rail, then you need 1 piece at each side at the border (the one closest to the center line).
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