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Offline mike c  
#1 Posted : 07 May 2020 02:14:03(UTC)
mike c

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Posts: 7,892
Location: Montreal, QC
I just received my 47805 Wascosa 80 foot container cars. Each one came with three 20 ft Giezendanner tank containers. Some of the other models in the same series come with two 40 foot containers, others come with either one 40ft and a single 20 ft container. I don't think that there was a single model that came with four 20 ft containers.

I am wondering why Maerklin has decided not to give us a full load with these cars. I am guessing that this is a cost cutting measure, as each container adds to the cost of the model and three seems to be the maximum that Maerklin will include with the 4705X and 4780X models.

I have ordered a pair of the 2020 47106 SBB Cargo flatcars. It is relatively hard to find containers with feet. I was thinking of migrating some of the loads from other cars. I have the SBB container from the 4852 car. I have a few of the Dreier containers from the 47441 and the post containers from the 47706 Maerklin/Herpa Set as possible loads. There is also the Bell Container from the 4851. I also have some spare containers from the 47081 VOS Logistics set and from the 47453 Hangartner Set.

I have a bunch of Herpa containers with sockets instead of pins. The 20 ft ones can be used with the Herpa 084192 adapter, which Maerklin already used with the 47051.002 (Ferrymasters), 47051.003/004 (Van Den Bosch) and 47051/52/53/54 models (Den Hartogh/H&S Foodtrans). The adapter cannot be used with the 40 ft containers.

I have a few AWM containers, but those do not fit 100% with all container cars. I have a few Kombimodell containers, which might be made by AWM, that have the same issues.

It would be nice if Maerklin would release a few sets of assorted containers so that we can vary our loads and make for more interesting consists.

I think that for now, I will start with moving the Bell and SBB containers to my 47441/47449 cars and use the Capital container with one of the other cars.
I also have a few Roco 20 ft containers (Crossrail, Danzas) that might also work with the Herpa adapters.

Regards

Mike C
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Offline rbw993  
#2 Posted : 07 May 2020 20:12:52(UTC)
rbw993

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Hi Mike,
I just drill and put wire pins in the corners to fit the Marklin cars. This also works for the Kombimodell cars. The ROCO system doesn't match with anyone else but their containers could be drilled as well.

I just wish there was a better supply of containers other than boxes. I've found some but they are often out of stock at the shops. I'm sure the major companies prefer box containers because the are cheaper to produce and easier to letter.

Regards,
Roger

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Offline kimballthurlow  
#3 Posted : 08 May 2020 01:13:25(UTC)
kimballthurlow

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Originally Posted by: mike c Go to Quoted Post
I just received my 47805 Wascosa 80 foot container cars. Each one came with three 20 ft Giezendanner tank containers. ...

I am wondering why Maerklin has decided not to give us a full load with these cars. I am guessing that this is a cost cutting measure, as each container adds to the cost of the model and three seems to be the maximum that Maerklin will include with the 4705X and 4780X models.
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Regards

Mike C


Hi Mike,
I have the tanks 47802 (3/4 load) in that series.
Also have the 47800 (full load) and 47801 (3/4 load).

In my naivity I simply thought Märklin was attempting to give the modeller some variety and flexibility to add own loads, swap loads etc.
Maybe they are cutting the cost, and maybe that is a good thing too.

And Roger thanks for confirming the pin-in-hole idea for non-compliant model containers. I had thought of that, but never did get around to it because I do not have a huge number.

Kimball
HO Scale - Märklin (ep II-III and VI, C Track, digital) - 2 rail HO (Queensland Australia, UK, USA) - 3 rail OO (English Hornby Dublo) - old clockwork O gauge - Live Steam 90mm (3.1/2 inch) gauge.
Offline mike c  
#4 Posted : 08 May 2020 03:39:00(UTC)
mike c

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Location: Montreal, QC
Originally Posted by: rbw993 Go to Quoted Post
Hi Mike,
I just wish there was a better supply of containers other than boxes. I've found some but they are often out of stock at the shops. I'm sure the major companies prefer box containers because the are cheaper to produce and easier to letter.

Regards,
Roger


What do you mean other than boxes? Do you mean other types of containers?

You can get all kinds from companies like Herpa, AWM, B-Models, PT Trains, Rocky-Rail, etc

I have 20 foot containers https://www.reynaulds.co...roducts/Herpa/76432.aspx
I have tank containers (23 foot) https://www.reynaulds.co...roducts/Herpa/76678.aspx
I have 30 foot containers https://www.huenerbein.d...ainer-bertschi-2e9m.html
I have 40 foot tank containers https://www.dsautomodell...iner-Bertschi-weiss.html
I have 45 foot containers https://www.huenerbein.d...et-45-ft.-dfds-2n2g.html
https://www.huenerbein.d...ucon-grün-2ap6.html
I have swap containers https://www.sk-verkehrsm...7313/Products/ko_89220.B
I have folding containers https://www.huenerbein.d...ft-3stück-14uz.html
I have open top containers https://galerie.1zu87.co...-herpa-076432-24935.html

Try Huenerbein.de, DS Automodelle, Memoba.at, Eyro.ch etc until you find what you are looking for.
Some containers required buying a truck with load and using just the container with the trains.
I did this for my "Rinnen", "Den Hartogh" and "Bertschi" ones.

Regards

Mike C
Offline Bigdaddynz  
#5 Posted : 08 May 2020 14:11:45(UTC)
Bigdaddynz

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Location: New Zealand
Originally Posted by: mike c Go to Quoted Post


Ouch, $40 USD for 3 containers! Rather expensive.

Try these

http://joes-modellbahnla...15f08b03b/Products/10924
Offline rbw993  
#6 Posted : 08 May 2020 15:05:00(UTC)
rbw993

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Posts: 956
I mean the standard box type containers. They are by far the ones most commonly offered. Many actual inter-modal trains have as many or more tanks than boxes. I have looked at the tanks listed on many of the sites you list (and bought some) but most of the time only one or two of the ones I want are in stock. It is not worth the cost of shipping to buy them 2 at a time.
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Offline mike c  
#7 Posted : 08 May 2020 16:52:12(UTC)
mike c

Canada   
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Posts: 7,892
Location: Montreal, QC
If you are ordering items like HO containers, more often than not, if you buy a single item, it can be shipped as lettermail and will cost only a few Euros.

Regards

Mike C
Offline kimballthurlow  
#8 Posted : 03 June 2020 07:31:10(UTC)
kimballthurlow

Australia   
Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC)
Posts: 6,668
Location: Brisbane, Australia
Based on the containers and wagons I do own, here are some model measurements to show the differences in container fitting measurements.
Märklin, Rivarossi and Electrotren containers are a compatible fit for Märklin tragwagens (container flats) and taschenwagens (deep well wagons).
There are variations of up to 0.3mm even in the same brand. This is probably due to material formation exigencies. This might mean some tightness of fitting.
As Mike C has said in an earlier post, "I have noted with various brands, even if the models have matching pins or sockets, that they do not always fit the corresponding pins or sockets on the car surface. I have Roco containers that cannot be used with other Roco cars and even a few misfitting Maerklin/Herpa models (47051.006 "Geest")."

The Märklin containers measured have lugs/pins/studs (male) on the bottom (underfloor), and corresponding holes (female) on the flat car or deep well wagons.
Piko containers are the same, but as you will see below, not the same measurements.
L = length, W = width - between container pins in millimetres (centre to centre).
D is the diameter of the container pin.

Photo of 47800 acknowledgment to Lokdoc

47800
Märklin „Start Up“ Containers are the reverse to normal.
Holes in container bottoms and pins on wagons.
„Start Up“ 20’ container
D 1.4
L 67
W 26

Märklin 40’container (example 47684 or 47800)
D 1.0
L 137.9
W 26

Märklin 22’6” container (example 47705)
D 1.0
L 87
W 25.7

Märklin 20’container (example 47684)
D 1.0
L 67
W 26

Rivarossi 40’ container (example HR6404)
D 1.0
L 138.2
W 26

Rivarossi 20’ container (example HR6405)
D 1.0
L 67
W 26

Electrotren 20’ container (example E1337)
D 1.0
L 67.2
W 26

Piko 40’container (example 54775)
D 1.2
L 136.3
W 24.5

To sum up, Märklin, Rivarossi and Electrotren containers are a compatible fit with variations of up to 0.3mm even in the same brand. This is probably due to material formation exigencies. This might mean some tightness of fitting.

The Piko product is not compatible with any of the above, because the size variation is in the order of 1.5-2mm for L and W, and 0.4mm in pin diameter.

Kimball

Edited by user 08 June 2020 06:58:31(UTC)  | Reason: added summation/photo at start of the article, Rivarossi 20'

HO Scale - Märklin (ep II-III and VI, C Track, digital) - 2 rail HO (Queensland Australia, UK, USA) - 3 rail OO (English Hornby Dublo) - old clockwork O gauge - Live Steam 90mm (3.1/2 inch) gauge.
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