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Offline applor  
#1 Posted : 21 April 2020 06:19:49(UTC)
applor

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Hi all,

I have found myself needing a replacement motor for those models equipped with the loud DCM (coffee grinder).
Interesting there are a number of threads and discussions about this using bell armature (Glockenankermotor) motors on other model railroad forums but not here on Marklin-users.

For those of us that are english speaking I am therefore posting here to provide info and start a discussion on these forums.

The original source of this conversion I believe is from German magazine MIBA SPEZIAL 71.

In that edition it was found a Glockenankermotor had the right dimensions to simply slot into the space from what a DCM motor would normally occupy.
All you would need to do is mill out the shaft hole and secure the motor with some glue (such as hot glue or epoxy) or some used a 3d printer to create a mounting housing for smaller variants of the motor.
This conversion won't work on every DCM model due to the space available inside the body but apart from e-loks (always have plenty of room) it seems the BR78 and BR86 are common candidates.

There are the higher quality and even quieter conversions available from SB modellbau (https://www.sb-modellbau.com/) but they do come at a price (typically ~100+ euro)

The MIBA SPEZIAL 71 conversions had the motor listed at 15.90 euro which is very cheap given little extra work required.

The article is a few years old now though and it seems the motor supplier (LEMO-SOLAR) have the price now at 49.20 euro, putting it into a price bracket closer to SB modellbau.

I have not looked thoroughly yet but maybe the chinese have the same motor available on ebay at a more comparable price to the original deal.

The MIBA SPEZIAL 71 Glockenankermotor:

https://shop.lemo-solar....zial-71-art-nr-2017r012/

The motor is 20mm diamater and 17mm long. I have read reports that 20mm might be a tad too small and milling would be required.

Other model motors:

https://lemo-solar.de/sh...delleisenbahnmotoren.php


Because of the possible fitment issue with the 20mm motor some users have used a 15mm motor and then had a 3d printed housing:

https://forum.3rail.nl/i...gipjvg&topic=60155.0

Here is a thread on converting a BR01 (33102). Also credit to Dave Banks who originally provided me the link.

https://forum.3rail.nl/index.php?topic=29623.0

And here we have another informative thread about the conversion with the MIBA SPEZIAL motor:

https://dieters-seite.hp...-fuer-maerklin-loks.html


The motor referenced in MIBA seems to be Faulhaber S2017R0412.

I have also seen the motor item 2017R012S used on stummiforums, though the code is no longer listed but there is 2017T012S on Lemo-Solar for 47.20
Not sure how it differs if it all from the MIBA Glockenankermotor

Going back even earlier to 2008/2009 there is the same discussion regarding the Lemo-solar Glockenankermotor:

https://www.modellbahnfo...tor-von-lemo-solar.1587/

Some threads on this topic over at stummis:

https://www.stummiforum.de/viewtopic.php?t=62640
https://www.stummiforum.de/viewtopic.php?t=140691

Please add any further information you may have on this topic.
I am particularly interested in sources of a suitable bell-armature at the ~20 euro price range and also what models this does or does not fit.
modelling era IIIa (1951-1955) Germany
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Offline mvd71  
#2 Posted : 21 April 2020 07:49:43(UTC)
mvd71

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Hi Eric,

I have done a conversion on a BR86 with the motor kit from SB Modelbau, and the result is brilliant in terms of quiet operation and silky smooth running. I chose to do the BR86 because of its plastic body resonating and amplifying the DCM noise. In my view, even with a 106euro purchase price it was well worth doing.

The only thing I found wasn't perfect was the top speed. It runs at a scale 80kph at full speed which is correct for the first of the BR86's, but later the increased to 90 kph. I would like to have 90+ just because sometimes it nice to be able to pick up the pace.

But otherwise it's brilliant.

Cheers.....

Mike
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Offline mvd71  
#3 Posted : 21 April 2020 07:51:56(UTC)
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image.jpeg

Part way through the conversion
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Offline applor  
#4 Posted : 22 April 2020 00:39:51(UTC)
applor

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Great to see you are both happy with your SB modellbau conversions.

For me however it is currently too cost prohibitive. I had a closer look at total pricing again:

121 euro for motor unit
60 euro for milling work (I don't have a mill)
~30 euro for shipping

total cost well over 200 euro just for one locomotive!

At this stage looking at the cheaper replacement motor options which as mentioned 43 euro (+ shipping) is still pricey.
To think over in Miguels post about Horny motors (https://www.marklin-users.net/forum/posts/t44760-Motors---a-video-about-cheap-versus-more-expensive)
Here the user complains about a 27 pound motor is too expensive and finds a 2 pound motor to perform as well, if not better!

Hence why I want to pursue a similar strategy, since the motor replacement would not require milling and be far cheaper for a similar result.

As discussed on this stummi thread the noise is caused by the armature on DCM motors and not the transmission:

https://www.stummiforum.de/viewtopic.php?t=140691

I have also found that to be true from testing on the bench I can hear all the noise coming from the motor itself and none from the transmission.

Here is the thread regarding the lemo-solar conversion with fitment issues:

https://stummiforum.de/viewtopic.php?t=47302

Seems from the discussion either the motor housing size varies a little or the motor size itself. Though he was attempting to fit into LFCM and SFCM motors too.
modelling era IIIa (1951-1955) Germany
Offline mvd71  
#5 Posted : 22 April 2020 03:25:57(UTC)
mvd71

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I watched the video of the cheaper motor fitted to the 3044 shunter, and I felt it was still quite noisey. Not really an improvement over a Märklin five pole DCM.

For the record, I did not use a mill to do my conversion. It was all done with a small hacksaw, Drexel, and fine /modellers files, and of course a lot of patience.

I will try to get a video up of my BR86 running and then you can compare with the low cost option.
Offline mvd71  
#6 Posted : 22 April 2020 05:30:01(UTC)
mvd71

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doh!
Offline dominator  
#7 Posted : 22 April 2020 07:16:12(UTC)
dominator

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Maybe this principle can be used to quieten the old crane and the turntable. They are extremely noisy.
Dereck
Northland. NZ REMEMBER 0228 for ä
Offline mvd71  
#8 Posted : 22 April 2020 09:41:12(UTC)
mvd71

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SB Modellbau do a motor for the 7186 turntable for €50

They also do two motor options for the transfer table

Cheers....

Mike
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