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Offline hvc  
#1 Posted : 05 April 2020 13:58:20(UTC)
hvc

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It was cold and rainy here today, and since my layout carpentry necessarily happens outdoors, today I was cosy indoors and doing some reading, dreaming and layout planning.

I've had in mind for many years to build an M-track layout. I have the beginnings in the form of a small M-track collection and my assortment of old analogue loks. There's also lots of stuff I don't have - like an M track turntable, or the assortment of M-track metal bridges which I've always liked but never owned.

Today I was browsing through the 0350 layout book, and came across the trackplan that I've always liked, and which really shows off the M bridges...

TrackPlan13.jpeg

I'm thinking I'll use this as a focus to my collecting - assembling the components over a few years.

TrackPlan13Diagram.jpeg

However, looking more closely at the plan, the text says that it has "two return loops". However, both loops are in the same direction of travel. Once a train is travelling counter-clockwise on the outer loop, it can't be turned around again. Quite a shortcoming if you are going to bother to have return loops.

My first thought is to add a double-slip on the left and move the switch to the outer loop like this:

TrackPlan13DiagramMarkedCrop.jpg

which then allows the inside to be used as a return loop for a train travelling counter-clockwise.

Well, now I've messed with the track plan anyway, so what the heck. If I'm going to build a period-style layout, I want to have a turntable and roundhouse.

So, I did a layout based on this one, but made it 30cm wider and added a turntable on the right hand side. The mainline is topologically the same, but I've messed with the sidings and created a bit more run to have slightly lesser gradients...

MTrackBridgeLand.jpeg
- Herman
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Offline Alsterstreek  
#2 Posted : 05 April 2020 14:49:54(UTC)
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My all time favourite M track layout concept! And you solved the return loop paradox, too. So, the trend is toward having two separate layouts?
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Offline hvc  
#3 Posted : 05 April 2020 14:57:37(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Go to Quoted Post
My all time favourite M track layout concept! And you solved the return loop paradox, too. So, the trend is toward having two separate layouts?


Mostly once I've got a layout up and running I tear it down again (or we move house :-). Just planning for the next one.

I'm currently working on my digital, C-track layout, with modern models. The last time I built an M-track layout was in 1982, but I still have my old stuff in boxes, including the loks from the 1960s that were handed down from my older brother. Also my daughter is studying art, so if I build this I've got someone to paint the Dutch-style pastoral background and the fake water in the river :-)

- Herman
- Herman
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Offline JohnjeanB  
#4 Posted : 05 April 2020 15:11:58(UTC)
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Hi

My favourite Märklin track plan is this one:
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It is the plan 20 of the 351 brochure.
The reason is it allowed fantastic automatic operations
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Offline Alsterstreek  
#5 Posted : 05 April 2020 17:44:01(UTC)
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Another variation with meaningful return loops?
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From another perspective to inspire your daughter?
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Offline hvc  
#6 Posted : 06 April 2020 05:07:43(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Go to Quoted Post
Another variation with meaningful return loops?
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Ah yes - the predecessor, layout 14 from the 0330 layout book (I love these books - and as for many, they represent everything I could never afford as a child :-)

This layout looks more elegant I think, but I prefer the later double-track version so that I can run three trains. But you can see how the designer picked up the earlier plan and completely messed up on the return loops in the process of doubling the main line over the river.

It is also interesting to see the evolution of the photos in the book. In the photo above, they've cropped out the left hand side of the back drop, because you would have been looking at the back. In the plan from the 0350 book they have removed the left hand side of the back drop but you can see where it sits, including the screw holes in the rear backdrop...

TrackPlan13Marked.jpg


Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Go to Quoted Post

From another perspective to inspire your daughter?
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Yes indeed. Love it.

- Herman
- Herman
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Offline rei800  
#7 Posted : 06 April 2020 17:09:05(UTC)
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Here are some pics from a real existing "Hafenbahn", which was at the annual toy railroader exposition in Gaggenau/Germany near Baden-Baden.


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Offline hvc  
#8 Posted : 07 April 2020 03:23:19(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: rei800 Go to Quoted Post
Here are some pics from a real existing "Hafenbahn", which was at the annual toy railroader exposition in Gaggenau/Germany near Baden-Baden.


Beautiful! Thank you so much for posting this. I've never seen video of it running before.

Was this also made as a factory layout for stores, or did they just build one for the layout plan book?

Also, is there a list somewhere of the model buildings that are included on the layout?

- Herman
- Herman
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#9 Posted : 07 April 2020 04:47:48(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: rei800 Go to Quoted Post
Here are some pics from a real existing "Hafenbahn".......


Cookee alert, Cookee alert!

There's a Wunderwheel in the background of the 3rd picture......
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Offline cookee_nz  
#10 Posted : 07 April 2020 05:03:17(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: rei800 Go to Quoted Post
Here are some pics from a real existing "Hafenbahn".......


Cookee alert, Cookee alert!

There's a Wunderwheel in the background of the 3rd picture......


Yes, that's the one that I think belongs to Frank Ronneburg, displayed at Gaggenau, he set up the meeting for us at the IMA BigGrin Good spotting.

I didn't mention it because it wasn't a new (undiscovered) one Love

But at risk of offending someone, you now need to decide if it's Wunderwheel or Wonderwheel, Wunderrad or Wonderrad - confused ?? LOL LOL

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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#11 Posted : 07 April 2020 06:41:09(UTC)
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Well, Wunderland is very Minatur so the wheel is very wunderful!

Wunderbar!

And yes, I remember Frank and Thomas. ThumpUp
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#12 Posted : 07 April 2020 08:40:29(UTC)
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As for the subject of the thread, this particular layout has always been a favourite.
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Offline rei800  
#13 Posted : 07 April 2020 10:25:50(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: hvc Go to Quoted Post


Beautiful! Thank you so much for posting this. I've never seen video of it running before.

Was this also made as a factory layout for stores, or did they just build one for the layout plan book?

Also, is there a list somewhere of the model buildings that are included on the layout?

- Herman


Hi all,

the shown layout was for a store. You can differentiate them by the placement of the command control center (transformers, switches).

The store layouts have the ccc at the backside behind the background and tje customer layouts normally on the frontside.

This harbour layout ist the only one known in Europe so far.


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Offline kiwiAlan  
#14 Posted : 07 April 2020 10:29:35(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: rei800 Go to Quoted Post
Here are some pics from a real existing "Hafenbahn".......


Cookee alert, Cookee alert!

There's a Wunderwheel in the background of the 3rd picture......


Not only that but on the right hand side at the back is a distance signal that was sold by Marklin for shop displays. I have the matching semaphore signal.

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