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Offline QQQ1970  
#1 Posted : 07 February 2020 18:44:47(UTC)
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Does anyone know if the new TEE RAm train set have seamless connection through curves like VT11.5? Or there would be gaps on curves?

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Offline kiwiAlan  
#2 Posted : 08 February 2020 00:17:19(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: QQQ1970 Go to Quoted Post
Does anyone know if the new TEE RAm train set have seamless connection through curves like VT11.5? Or there would be gaps on curves?


have a look at the video of the preproduction sample.

Link to it here.
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#3 Posted : 08 February 2020 00:26:09(UTC)
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I watched the video multiple times and still not 100% certain the couplings are seamless. It appears there is gap on curves but that is pre-production model.
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#4 Posted : 08 February 2020 00:40:29(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: QQQ1970 Go to Quoted Post
I watched the video multiple times and still not 100% certain the couplings are seamless. It appears there is gap on curves but that is pre-production model.


Well, that is as much information as is available. No-one except factory staff will have seen it in curves yet.
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Offline Mark_1602  
#5 Posted : 08 February 2020 14:39:26(UTC)
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This new tooling RAm is 113 cm long (i.e. 1:87), as opposed to 93.3 cm for Märklin's old tooling TEE train, e.g. 39700. Back in the 1960s, Märklin chose this short TEE train because it was the only practical choice that worked for the small layouts MRRs used to have back then.

Seamless or not, it can't look convincing in R1, R2, or even R3 curves IMO. I once bought 1:93.5 passenger cars and found they didn't look good at all in R3 curves. The curves that Märklin displays in the video are flex track, right? Obviously, they won't show us any scale models in tight curves.

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Best regards, Mark

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Offline QQQ1970  
#6 Posted : 08 February 2020 15:21:40(UTC)
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Marklin VT11.5 is seamless even on R1 with no gap, although I would concur it doesn't look very good on tight curves.
Offline michelvr  
#7 Posted : 09 February 2020 16:02:39(UTC)
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Good morning QQQ1970 and the rest of the fellow members,

Just think if I had the right hat on yesterday (Inspector Jacques Clouseau) I could have directed you to the proper information from the Märklin Insider Club News 06.0219 where it is written; When it comes to the train connections there will be a new pneumatic bellows-type transitions. (words from Märklin)

I would interpret this to be separately applied rubberized bellows mounted on the ends of the cars. The bellows are to be sprung/spring loaded and have the ability to pivot providing a continuous seamless diaphragm. While they have in the past produced the RAm TEE set for Trix model number 22131 (please note the bodies are made from plastic as I own this set) which have seamless bellows between the cars, I believe they will improve upon this design and modernize the operation of diaphragms.
Offline QQQ1970  
#8 Posted : 09 February 2020 16:08:50(UTC)
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Could you forward the insider club news?
Offline michelvr  
#9 Posted : 09 February 2020 16:20:51(UTC)
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Could you forward the insider club news?


I only have the hard copy, Märklin Insider Club News 06.2019

Offline TEEWolf  
#10 Posted : 09 February 2020 18:17:59(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: QQQ1970 Go to Quoted Post
Could you forward the insider club news?


It was already done

https://www.marklin-user...lin-Big-Boy-models/page4

post #176 is a link.

https://www.maerklin.de/...01-2020_010720_EN_nt.pdf

As in the special Maerklin video about the TEE RAm demonstrated gets the TEE Ram new transitions with a special 10 pole current-conducting-couplings. Even if you do not see what you want, but you can expect that you get it. Especially it is a new constructed model. It's an Insider model.
Offline mvd71  
#11 Posted : 09 February 2020 20:12:44(UTC)
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It looks like a really nice model. I suspect it will be out of my price range though
Offline QQQ1970  
#12 Posted : 09 February 2020 20:38:59(UTC)
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899 euro
Offline QQQ1970  
#13 Posted : 05 April 2020 15:46:14(UTC)
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As the world slows down, I re-watch Marklin video. Even though the bellows in the video prototype are not connected, the CAD diagram suggests the production bellows are indeed physically connected besides the electrical connection at the bottom, which gives me hope the train should have seamless connection on curves.

Let's hope for the best.

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Offline dickinsonj  
#14 Posted : 05 April 2020 16:31:11(UTC)
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This will be another case of guessing and hoping on a model which you must order before actually seeing its details. There were unspecified details on the V320 that I hoped would be better resolved in production models, but they were not. So I believe that it is tough to make a good decision at this point. I see a decline in special features on Insider models lately. For instance the end coaches on the D96 "Isar-Rhône" don't have end marker lights, something that I would have expected in any expensive set of Insider coaches in the past.

Looking at the CAD drawings the diaphragms between coaches look elaborately engineered and continuous. But the Märklin TV video of the prototype clearly shows gaps between the adjacent diaphragms, and I suspect that is how the production model will look as well. The whole point is moot for me anyway since it was more money than I was willing to spend but I will be interested to see how the final product turns out.
Regards,
Jim

I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains!
I have models from Era I to Era VI, but I try to focus on Eras I & III. Whoops, that one got away from me. Let's just say I focus on cool trains, regardless of the particulars :-)
So many trains and so little time.
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Offline QQQ1970  
#15 Posted : 05 April 2020 16:41:50(UTC)
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For those who already own RAm TEE, probably no point to buy another one. I don't so if I am going for one hope I get the best. There is always the option to sell if one doesn't like what he or she gets.

Yes the video prototype has gaps but the commentator also said some details were missing. And there is no physical connection between diaphragms like what is shown in CAD.

One can hope.
Offline mike c  
#16 Posted : 10 November 2020 03:09:08(UTC)
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The design of the gangway baffles is very similar to that of the earlier Roco and LSM/RailTop Models. Each coach has half of the connection which can pivot to either side, which gives the appearance of a seamless connection. In S-Curves, the edges may be offset to each other, but the baffles should remain in contact with each other.

In terms of appearance, you can immediately see that this is much more realistic than the original 3070/3071/3471/39700. It will have a greater overhang in curves than the original shortened version, but I think those that have it will be impressed.

It took a few minutes before I ran into my first problem. While trying to slip the coupling guide out from underneath the trainset, all four coaches tipped off the track. Fortunately there was no damage, as the track was laid on the floor. I ran a few laps on a temporary setup, enough to make a quick video. after about 2 minutes, to show the LED table lamps in the restaurant, I stopped the train and then reversed it, which apparently caused the lights in the two rear coaches to go out. When I reversed the train to bring it back so that I could take a look at the problem, the trainset separated between the second and third coaches. I guess that the couplings separated, first causing the LEDs to lose power and finally cause the couplings to come apart.

I wonder if Maerklin could have used a better solution for the electrical connections. The Liliput KISS seems easier to couple/uncoupler

Video (Coming soon:)


This video (not mine) shows the train in a tight S Curve when the train gets directed towards a turntable in error (at about 7:20):


Regards

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Offline QQQ1970  
#17 Posted : 10 November 2020 03:22:56(UTC)
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Thanks for the info. Can't open the video.
Offline mike c  
#18 Posted : 10 November 2020 03:42:41(UTC)
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It took a while to upload. I'm using Bell Fib internet. That's the one where they advertise it as Fibe, but the connection is no faster than it was 10 years ago.

MC
Offline QQQ1970  
#19 Posted : 10 November 2020 13:18:45(UTC)
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Is there magnet in the baffles?
Offline mike c  
#20 Posted : 10 November 2020 17:27:13(UTC)
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As far as I can tell, the baffles are spring loaded and there are no magnets involved.
It seems to generally be the same type of design as the one used by Roco, LS Models/RailTop and possibly Lematec. I have not seen the Lematec model in person.

I would also like to report that other than the initial problem with the lights/separation, the train has now remained connected and all operation is as designed after 30 minutes of running.

Video (mov) IMG_1402.mov (2,600kb) downloaded 18 time(s).
S-Curve 39706 S-Curve.mov (2,398kb) downloaded 29 time(s).

Regards

Mike C

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Offline QQQ1970  
#21 Posted : 10 November 2020 18:17:31(UTC)
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Thanks. I am still waiting for German dealer to ship so unlikely to get it before Christmas.
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#22 Posted : 31 December 2020 17:31:04(UTC)
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I catch the last train in 2020 (pun intended) and got the set on the last day. Although the lack of physical connection between the bellows is a let down, the train runs well otherwise and is a fitting item in the collection, especially for those who don't already own a RAm train set.

Some pictures and a video link.



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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#23 Posted : 31 December 2020 20:56:22(UTC)
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I catch the last train in 2020 (pun intended) and got the set on the last day.


Likewise, my set also arrived yesterday on the 31st (Happy New Year everyone).

Will have to take some photos.
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Offline QQQ1970  
#24 Posted : 31 December 2020 21:05:48(UTC)
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I have a quick question and maybe someone can educate me.

Among the sound functions there are German and French station announcements. Why is there no Dutch announcement?
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#25 Posted : 01 January 2021 01:16:28(UTC)
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Some pictures.....


Which unfortunately are upside down.

Here they are right side up!

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Offline QQQ1970  
#26 Posted : 01 January 2021 01:22:09(UTC)
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Thanks. I was trying to illustrate these trains are so fast they defy the laws of gravity. 😂
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#27 Posted : 01 January 2021 07:01:56(UTC)
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Will have to take some photos.


39706-3.jpg

Additional photos at https://www.marklin-user...purchases---2020-Edition
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#28 Posted : 01 January 2021 10:34:29(UTC)
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Warning!: Do not engage the last function (F26)....

5 minutes later......OhMyGod

Also, I don't know why Marklin persists with the constipated cow sounding horn! For such a premium model you'd think they would use something more realistic. The second horn sounds much better.

Other than that it's a great model. I don't think the overhang on R1 curves is too bad, although the proof of that will be when I run it on my layout with all its catenary masts.

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Offline QQQ1970  
#29 Posted : 01 January 2021 21:52:08(UTC)
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Lately Märklin has installed similar train info narrative on other models.
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#30 Posted : 01 January 2021 23:56:23(UTC)
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I guessed that is what it is but being in German there was probably only two words I understood!
Offline klarinettmeister  
#31 Posted : 02 January 2021 01:56:43(UTC)
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With a reservation from my German-English the translation is not perfect.


"When establishing the high valued TEE line in Europe 2:nd June 1957 the Swiss and Dutch railway started a cooperation in 1955 to develop a diesel train in the configuration of VT - VM - VM - VS.

The locomotive was built in Werksburg Amsterdam. The middle cars and and the control car was made by SEG in Sweizer Neuhausen. Brown Bowery in Baden made the electrical installations.

All the vehicles are made through (some sort of self pulling??) pipe construction.

In the machine room in the locomotive there are 2 diesel engines with 16 cylinders in V form with 1000 PS each.

The bottleneck formed hop generators delivers current for each of the BBC traction motors one on each of the 3 axle boogies.

A separate generator diesel motor delivers current for the power onboard the train.

For the luxury comfort for the passengers the train has stuffed seatings and double windows with built in pull-up curtains and AC climate control.

All the 5 trains were stationed in Zürich.

I think they say that they were trying to preserve the trains 1971 until the end of their service in the end of May 1974.

1977 they sold the trains to the Canadian Ontario Northland Railway.

6 years after their service 1992, 2 control cars, 2 middle cars and one restaurant car were to be restored and went back to Holland."
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Offline mike c  
#32 Posted : 02 January 2021 03:38:24(UTC)
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Hre is the translation as posted on the Maerklin.de website:

Quote:
SBB Class RAm Diesel Powered Railcar Train, TEE "EDELWEISS" After the introduction on June 2, 1957 of a high-quality TEE network agreed in 1954, the Swiss Federal Railways (SBB) and the Dutch Railways (Nederlandse Spoorwegen - NS) agreed in 1955 on the joint development of a new diesel powered railcar train in the configuration VT+VM+VM+VS. The power units were built by Werkspoor in Amsterdam, Switzerland with SIG in Neuhausen for the intermediate cars and the cab control car and Brown-Boveri in Baden for the electrical equipment was responsible for the rest of the train. The striking shape of the ends of the end cars is due to the industrial designer Elsebeth van Blerkom employed at Werkspoor, which took the egg shape as a prototype. The body of the power car was done as a torsion-resistant, self-supporting tube design with a cab, engine room, baggage compartment, rest areas, and an employee's toilet. In the engine room were two supercharged Werkspoor type RUHB 1616 diesel motors with 16 cylinders in a V form (each motor 1,000 horsepower / 735 kilowatts). The flange-mounted main generators respectively provided the current for two each BBC traction motors (each 292 kilowatts continuous output), which were geared to the end wheelsets of both three-axle trucks. A third four-stroke diesel motor, Werkspoor type RUB 168, with eight cylinders and 300 horsepower output powered the onboard network, the air conditioning, and the dining car galley by means of a generator. The bodies for the intermediate cars and the cab control car were also constructed as self-supporting, stiff tube designs similar to the SBB lightweight steel cars and they were equipped with a standard SBB truck design. In order to provide passengers with pleasant travel, special comfort features were made available such as double-glazing of the large windows with blinds in between, which could be operated easily by passengers by means of a crank handle. Each car had air conditioning to maintain a constant temperature and continuous freshening of the air. All of the individual seats were extendable, equipped with adjustable seatbacks, and covered with top quality upholstery material. All five powered railcar trains (SBB RAm 501–502, NS DE IV 1001–1003) were based in Zürich and used for the following TEE trains: "EDELWEISS" Zürich – Amsterdam, June 1957 – May 1974), "Étoile du Nord" (Amsterdam – Paris, June 1957 – August 1964), "L´Oiseau bleu" (Paris – Amsterdam, June 1957 – May 1964), "L´Arbalète" (Zürich – Paris, August 1964 – September 1969), and "Bavaria" (Zürich – Munich, August 1969 – February 1971). After the disastrous accident of the "Bavaria" at Aitrang on the evening of February 9, 1971, the remaining trains were still in use until the end of May 1974 as the TEE "EDELWEISS". In 1977, they were sold to the Canadian Ontario Northland Railway for use on their 388 kilometer / 242 mile long line Toronto – Timmins. After the end of their use in 1992, two cab control cars, two compartment cars, and a dining car were brought back to Europe in 1998, where they are currently being refurbished in the Netherlands.


Not the best translation either.

Regards

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Offline QQQ1970  
#33 Posted : 02 January 2021 04:03:17(UTC)
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Thanks for the info.
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#34 Posted : 02 January 2021 09:25:11(UTC)
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Is VT+VM+VM+VS some kind of German or Dutch designation. I know that VT was used for diesel trainsets in Era II/III Germany.

Quote:
The power units were built by Werkspoor in Amsterdam, Switzerland with SIG in Neuhausen for the intermediate cars and the cab control car and Brown-Boveri in Baden for the electrical equipment was responsible for the rest of the train.


The power units were built by Werkspoor in Amsterdam (Holland). The intermediate cars and pilot car were built in Switzerland by SIG in Neuhausen, with the electrical components of the train designed by BBC (Brown Boveri) in Baden.

The details about the routes needs to be more precise. The trains were based in Zurich and operated on a 4 day cycle, with a 5th day as reserve.
Day 1 Zurich - Amsterdam (Edelweiss)
Day 2 Amsterdam - Paris (Etoile du Nord)
Day 3 Paris - Amsterdam (Etoile du Nord)
Day 4 Amsterdam - Zurich (Edelweiss)

A few years into service, Day 2 was modified to add a run from Paris to Brussels (Oiseau Bleu) after arriving in Paris and Day 3 began with Brussel - Paris before heading back to Amsterdam

In 1964, the Paris - Brussels and the Paris-Amsterdam routes were taken over by new services of the SNCF using Mistral coaches and the RAm TEE trains were kept on the Zurich - Amsterdam - Zurich route with a Zurich - Paris - Zurich (Arbalete) run on Day 3.

In 1969, as more of the new Mistral 69 coaches became available, the older Mistral 56 were moved from prestige services to other lines and this included the Arbalete between Zurich and Paris.
The RAm was put into use on a Zurich - Munich - Zurich (Bavaria) run.

This continued until the spring 1971 accident at Aitrang, which resulted in the RAm being removed from the Bavaria route.

The RAm continued to run a two day Zurich - Amsterdam - Zurich service until the line was electrified and it was replaced by the RAe (Gottardo) trainsets in 1974. This was possible as the SNCF began running new Mistral coaches on the Paris - Lausanne - Simplon - Milano (Cisalpino) service.

The RAm/DE trainsets then sat idle until they were sold to Ontario Northland and shipped to Canada.

Regards

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#35 Posted : 02 January 2021 11:00:55(UTC)
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Lately Märklin has installed similar train info narrative on other models.

Am I to understand that M. has included some kind of audio-book into the item???
Geez... Märklin: The worlds number one in electronic MRR gimmicks! LOL

PS: I suggest that they make all MS2 start up with a specific and detailed audio description of how to connect the controller to the track! It should play automatically on every power-up. In at least 10 different languages. That should give it about a good 5 minutes of interesting listening.
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Offline QQQ1970  
#36 Posted : 11 January 2021 03:06:17(UTC)
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I suspect over time here are the other possible RAm variants:

Ontario Northlander

Dutch version with road number NS 1001/1002/1003. Étoile du Nord or L'Oiseau Bleu

SBB 502 The Bavaria catering the German market

The first variant, possibly The Northlander, could be released some time in 2021 as a 1,999/2,999 limited edition. The other two variants are probably not limited edition, but still MHI items.
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#37 Posted : 11 January 2021 03:38:10(UTC)
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As I stated in one of the many topics about the RAm and/or this particular model, I don't think that we will be seeing a Northlander for a while.
Based on the mold that they are using to make the models, the Northlander version would require a new tooling in order to add the design changes brought to the trainsets prior and during their time in Canada, including the number boards, whistles, bells and lights. It is much more likely that we will see a NS version before anything else.
As far as I remember, all of the Maerklin models, whether SBB RAm (3070/39700/39706) or NS DE (3471) or generic (3071), were labelled for the TEE "Edelweiss", as was the Trix 22131 (SBB). I am not certain what the destination signs on the 22132 (NS) were.
A Northlander would be a reasonable expectation for 2023/24, as that represents 50 years since the actual trainsets were sold to Canada.

Regards

Mike C
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#38 Posted : 11 January 2021 03:51:53(UTC)
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With the technology these days, I guess it is not too costly to change the train sign from Edelweiss to something else. VT11.5 did that. That would appeal to the French / Belgian markets. At this price point, Marklin may have a tough time selling the same set to the core German / Swiss markets if the only change is NS road number.

If Marklin really wants to milk the customers to get the returns on the tooling costs, they could have a limited run unpainted version, a 24k gold plated version (maybe 70th TEE anniversary), and an era 6 variant (may come with graffiti) previously owned by Dutch TEE Foundation sitting at Amsterdam siding waiting for restoration.

Since the first VT11.5 37605, there have been 7 versions from the same basic tooling. Big Boy has also 7 versions (excluding the Detla 34990 which is identical to 37990). If Marklin wants, we may see 7 versions from RAm tooling as well.
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#39 Posted : 13 January 2021 05:26:01(UTC)
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Roco has the "Northlander" as one of it's 2021 New Items

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