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river6109		#1 Posted : 28 January 2020 03:10:51(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,725 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square		Hi, a friend of mine from Berlin (he is a bit of an inventor) and has also printed the design of my garage 3 years ago (for free), I've met him through my videos and over a period of time he als designed, opto coupler units and signal modules with fading out lights. his latest design is magnetic coupling and he has already a stream of customers who like to get hold of them., the also can be used as an electric coupling with 2 wires attached., the couplings are intended for trains which do not separate (literately), I've got no idea at this stage how much they are for a pair but I could inquire if anybody is interested. his couplings are displayed on facebook under: bernd delakowitz John
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TEEWolf		#2 Posted : 28 January 2020 03:41:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/06/2016(UTC) Posts: 2,465		Maerklin uses magnet couplers in its MyWorld program. Maerklin even offers an adapter car with a Relex coupler at one side and a magnetic coupler on the other one. So you may use the MyWorld cars on your H0 layout too. https://www.maerklin.de/...s/details/article/44107/ https://www.maerklin.de/...catalogs/theme-catalogs/
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river6109		#3 Posted : 28 January 2020 08:04:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,725 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square		Originally Posted by: TEEWolf Maerklin uses magnet couplers in its MyWorld program. Maerklin even offers an adapter car with a Relex coupler at one side and a magnetic coupler on the other one. So you may use the MyWorld cars on your H0 layout too. https://www.maerklin.de/...s/details/article/44107/ https://www.maerklin.de/...catalogs/theme-catalogs/ I don't think Märklin's idea of couplers is the same what I've presented or what Bernd is producing., they are not short couplers are they ? and I wasn't thinking of a replacement but rather a new idea and innovation. John
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H0		#4 Posted : 28 January 2020 08:35:52(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,267 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: TEEWolf Maerklin uses magnet couplers in its MyWorld program. The Märklin magnet couplers do not conduct power and they are not made for use with NEM pockets. A link to HAG's magnet couplers would have been more appropriate: http://www.hag.ch/de/new...c0df0e81955228cb3ff0429f HAG do not make them, they distribute them. AFAIK they are made in Italy. I do not know how they compare with Bernd's couplers. There may be cases where one is more useful than the other.
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river6109		#5 Posted : 28 January 2020 09:33:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,725 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square		Originally Posted by: H0 Originally Posted by: TEEWolf Maerklin uses magnet couplers in its MyWorld program. The Märklin magnet couplers do not conduct power and they are not made for use with NEM pockets. A link to HAG's magnet couplers would have been more appropriate: http://www.hag.ch/de/new...c0df0e81955228cb3ff0429f HAG do not make them, they distribute them. AFAIK they are made in Italy. I do not know how they compare with Bernd's couplers. There may be cases where one is more useful than the other. apparently the price that Bernd charges is Euro 5.00 for the electrical magnetic couplers. John
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hxmiesa		#6 Posted : 28 January 2020 09:49:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/12/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,520 Location: Spain		This is interresting. Is there a photo or drawing? (no access to fb right now)
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mario54i		#7 Posted : 28 January 2020 09:51:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 284 Location: Torino,		HAG magnetic couplers are made by Almrose, you can buy from them or from Italian shops at a lower price than Hag ones. Almrose magnetic couplers They are good but not perfect, sometimes they lose contact in slope changes. There should be also magnetic couplers from Ree modeles, smaller and cheaper, but with a major flaw. There is nothing that keeps the two couplers aligned, they rely only on the magnet, so in curves the outer contact opens. They were available for some time but soon disappeared. I have used both of them. The ones mentioned in facebook are similar, no alignment bar or so, but the magnets look stronger ( I hear a louder sound ). I wonder is they are reliable, soldering the wire to the magnet is difficult. The first series of Almrose ones had many fails due to this magnet-wire connection. BTW, if you have reed relays in your layout they are activated by magnetic couplers
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river6109		#8 Posted : 28 January 2020 12:09:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,725 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square		Originally Posted by: hxmiesa This is interresting. Is there a photo or drawing? (no access to fb right now) you'll have to wait until you have access, most of any queries are documented, e.g. uncoupling, reed contacts. John
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TEEWolf		#9 Posted : 29 January 2020 17:35:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/06/2016(UTC) Posts: 2,465		Originally Posted by: river6109 Originally Posted by: TEEWolf Maerklin uses magnet couplers in its MyWorld program. Maerklin even offers an adapter car with a Relex coupler at one side and a magnetic coupler on the other one. So you may use the MyWorld cars on your H0 layout too. https://www.maerklin.de/...s/details/article/44107/ https://www.maerklin.de/...catalogs/theme-catalogs/ I don't think Märklin's idea of couplers is the same what I've presented or what Bernd is producing., they are not short couplers are they ? and I wasn't thinking of a replacement but rather a new idea and innovation. John I only wanted to illustrate Maerklin are using these magnetic couplers too. No idea of this Bernd's production. Maerklin's magnetic couplers are not only close couplers. I would say they are tight connected couplers The idea itself for me is good, but these magnetic couplers seems to have some weaknesses. @mario54i mentioned them in his post and at the website from HAAG is mentioned the HAAG magnetic couplers does not influence the reed contacts! Don't you think that HAAG is telling us indirectly be careful with these couplers? On the other hand, do you not think these couplers are pretty expensive and massive?
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Purellum		#10 Posted : 29 January 2020 20:16:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/11/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,505 Location: Mullerup, 4200 Slagelse		Originally Posted by: TEEWolf No idea of this Bernd's production. I think everybody noticed that The big question is now why you drag Märklin's non-conductive couplings into this, and why you think Bernd's 2-pole current conducting couplings should have any weaknesses? Everybody who tried them have been extremely impressed and satisfied, and I find them cheap for what you get. They are 30% cheaper than the HAG couplings and more as double the strength with better alignment. Per.
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river6109		#11 Posted : 29 January 2020 20:57:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,725 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square		Originally Posted by: Purellum Originally Posted by: TEEWolf No idea of this Bernd's production. I think everybody noticed that The big question is now why you drag Märklin's non-conductive couplings into this, and why you think Bernd's 2-pole current conducting couplings should have any weaknesses? Everybody who tried them have been extremely impressed and satisfied, and I find them cheap for what you get. They are 30% cheaper than the HAG couplings and more as double the strength with better alignment. Per. TEEWolf has a magnetic attachment to topics of non conductive subjects, with other words his version of illustration is purely to make any comment. "I had a really nice cake to day, TEEWolf would suggest and illustrate to add some salt to it. and carries the topic into a dead end siding."
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kiwiAlan		#12 Posted : 29 January 2020 21:27:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,109 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: river6109 Originally Posted by: Purellum Originally Posted by: TEEWolf No idea of this Bernd's production. I think everybody noticed that The big question is now why you drag Märklin's non-conductive couplings into this, and why you think Bernd's 2-pole current conducting couplings should have any weaknesses? Everybody who tried them have been extremely impressed and satisfied, and I find them cheap for what you get. They are 30% cheaper than the HAG couplings and more as double the strength with better alignment. Per. TEEWolf has a magnetic attachment to topics of non conductive subjects, with other words his version of illustration is purely to make any comment. "I had a really nice cake to day, TEEWolf would suggest and illustrate to add some salt to it. and carries the topic into a dead end siding." But we could have done with a link to the FB page mentioned in the first message. Then we could see what we are comparing things to.
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Purellum		#13 Posted : 29 January 2020 21:42:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/11/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,505 Location: Mullerup, 4200 Slagelse		https://www.facebook.com...e.php?id=100012638110150 Per P.S: I forgot this, no topic is complete without it: https://www.maerklin.de/.../MM_Verkabelung_2013.pdf
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river6109		#14 Posted : 30 January 2020 00:52:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,725 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square		Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Originally Posted by: river6109 Originally Posted by: Purellum Originally Posted by: TEEWolf No idea of this Bernd's production. I think everybody noticed that The big question is now why you drag Märklin's non-conductive couplings into this, and why you think Bernd's 2-pole current conducting couplings should have any weaknesses? Everybody who tried them have been extremely impressed and satisfied, and I find them cheap for what you get. They are 30% cheaper than the HAG couplings and more as double the strength with better alignment. Per. TEEWolf has a magnetic attachment to topics of non conductive subjects, with other words his version of illustration is purely to make any comment. "I had a really nice cake to day, TEEWolf would suggest and illustrate to add some salt to it. and carries the topic into a dead end siding." But we could have done with a link to the FB page mentioned in the first message. Then we could see what we are comparing things to. I did write Bernd's full name on facebook
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river6109		#15 Posted : 30 January 2020 01:01:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,725 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square		Originally Posted by: Purellum https://www.facebook.com...e.php?id=100012638110150 Per P.S: I forgot this, no topic is complete without it: https://www.maerklin.de/.../MM_Verkabelung_2013.pdf Thanks Per, of course all comments are in German, just to add a bit: Bernd is a qualified engineer, speaks very little English but if you follow his facebook page you can see many things he has undertaken, especially his enormous task regards wiring. 3D printing and some over the top loco & passenger carriages conversions., all his platforms and railway over paths are 3D printed. John
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river6109		#16 Posted : 30 January 2020 01:04:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,725 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square		Originally Posted by: river6109 Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Originally Posted by: river6109 Originally Posted by: Purellum Originally Posted by: TEEWolf No idea of this Bernd's production. I think everybody noticed that The big question is now why you drag Märklin's non-conductive couplings into this, and why you think Bernd's 2-pole current conducting couplings should have any weaknesses? Everybody who tried them have been extremely impressed and satisfied, and I find them cheap for what you get. They are 30% cheaper than the HAG couplings and more as double the strength with better alignment. Per. TEEWolf has a magnetic attachment to topics of non conductive subjects, with other words his version of illustration is purely to make any comment. "I had a really nice cake to day, TEEWolf would suggest and illustrate to add some salt to it. and carries the topic into a dead end siding." But we could have done with a link to the FB page mentioned in the first message. Then we could see what we are comparing things to. I did write facebook Bernd's full name, all you had to do is type the name and you would have found his page with a lot of his innovations
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TEEWolf		#17 Posted : 30 January 2020 01:11:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/06/2016(UTC) Posts: 2,465		Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan But we could have done with a link to the FB page mentioned in the first message. Then we could see what we are comparing things to. Thanks, Alan you hit the nail on its top. Also its new to me we are discussing at marklin-users.net subjects listed on Facebook. In addition: shall it be a marketing thread for a hobbyist? Or shall it be a serious discussion about magnetic couplers? BTW the topics heading is generally "Magnetic short couplings" (plural!) and not specifically "Bernds electrical magnetic short coupler". Whereas Bernd offers non electrical magnetic short coupler as well for 2,50 € per piece. Yes, this is significantly cheaper as HAAG offers them. Finally: I do not like Facebook and do not use it, if there is no need to me.
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river6109		#18 Posted : 30 January 2020 03:45:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,725 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square		Originally Posted by: TEEWolf Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan But we could have done with a link to the FB page mentioned in the first message. Then we could see what we are comparing things to. Thanks, Alan you hit the nail on its top. Also its new to me we are discussing at marklin-users.net subjects listed on Facebook. In addition: shall it be a marketing thread for a hobbyist? Or shall it be a serious discussion about magnetic couplers? BTW the topics heading is generally "Magnetic short couplings" (plural!) and not specifically "Bernds electrical magnetic short coupler". Whereas Bernd offers non electrical magnetic short coupler as well for 2,50 € per piece. Yes, this is significantly cheaper as HAAG offers them. Finally: I do not like Facebook and do not use it, if there is no need to me. The person in question doesn't speak English or very little of it, I've offered him to join this forum but he declined because of the language barrier. whether it is this forum or any other forum, I thought it was of general interest to mention it., using his name as a header wouldn't have meant anything to anyone. it was not intended as a sales topic but merely a topic what model train enthusiasts some times produce. If you think this topic is not suited for this forum you should report it, the reason it is written as "plural" you'll' find no one would be able to use them if it only consists of 1 coupling. It doesn't look like you're interested in other people inventions or innovations but rather hitting the nail on its top. John
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kiwiAlan		#19 Posted : 30 January 2020 16:27:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,109 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: Purellum https://www.facebook.com...e.php?id=100012638110150 Per Thanks Per, but unfortuantely i don't have a Facebook account, and I'm not going to create one to look at the pictures. He doesn't have an acocunt that allows public viewing of the photos. Originally Posted by: Purellum P.S: I forgot this, no topic is complete without it: https://www.maerklin.de/.../MM_Verkabelung_2013.pdf Don't know what that link has to do with the subject in hand, hope you aren't doing a wolf on us ...
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Purellum		#20 Posted : 30 January 2020 18:23:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/11/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,505 Location: Mullerup, 4200 Slagelse		Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan hope you aren't doing a wolf on us ... Well, I must admit that it's exactly what I did......... Per.
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Purellum		#21 Posted : 30 January 2020 18:25:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/11/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,505 Location: Mullerup, 4200 Slagelse		Originally Posted by: TEEWolf Or shall it be a serious discussion about magnetic couplers? I think the intention was a serious discussion; but you ruined it. Per.
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river6109		#22 Posted : 31 January 2020 06:06:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,725 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square		Originally Posted by: Purellum Originally Posted by: TEEWolf Or shall it be a serious discussion about magnetic couplers? I think the intention was a serious discussion; but you ruined it. Per. Looks like when you post an innovative subject, all you get is criticized unless you fill in all the necessary data, websites, navigator, I tried to post a photo of the couplings but the outcome was so blurred I've decided against it and instead mentioned his name but it wasn't enough for our learned friend, I always say so long you're getting satisfaction out of it keep it up, it fills up the pages John
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H0		#23 Posted : 31 January 2020 10:14:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,267 Location: DE-NW		I read on Facebook that Bernd invented those magnetic couplers because he had problems with the loop-and-hook couplers on his Roco hopper cars. My Roco hopper cars work fine with the Roco short couplers and the Roco knuckle couplers. Problem solved. When I get new cars from Roco or Piko I instantly remove the loop-and-hook couplers because they are known to cause problems. Magnetic couplers open new possibilities, especially when they are power-conducting. I'll keep in mind that they exist.
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river6109		#24 Posted : 31 January 2020 14:00:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,725 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square		Originally Posted by: H0 I read on Facebook that Bernd invented those magnetic couplers because he had problems with the loop-and-hook couplers on his Roco hopper cars. My Roco hopper cars work fine with the Roco short couplers and the Roco knuckle couplers. Problem solved. When I get new cars from Roco or Piko I instantly remove the loop-and-hook couplers because they are known to cause problems. Magnetic couplers open new possibilities, especially when they are power-conducting. I'll keep in mind that they exist. We've been changing short couplers with knuckle couplers and as Tom said problem solved., with knuckle couplers from Roco the knuckle is securing both couplers behind the hook. John
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TEEWolf		#25 Posted : 31 January 2020 22:14:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/06/2016(UTC) Posts: 2,465		Originally Posted by: H0 I read on Facebook that Bernd invented those magnetic couplers because he had problems with the loop-and-hook couplers on his Roco hopper cars. My Roco hopper cars work fine with the Roco short couplers and the Roco knuckle couplers. Problem solved. When I get new cars from Roco or Piko I instantly remove the loop-and-hook couplers because they are known to cause problems. Magnetic couplers open new possibilities, especially when they are power-conducting. I'll keep in mind that they exist. Yes, meanwhile I read this too. But he also mentioned his magnetic couplers are close comparable to the HAG magnetic couplers, you mentioned by a link (thx) in your post #4. @river6109 following some pictures. - I downloaded from Bernd's Facebook website. I did not ask him for a copyright. Hopefully he agrees publishing them here at marklin-users.net again. These pictures at Facebook are without any descriptions. The remarks are done by mayself as far as I understood them. If you see it different let me know. For further changes or additions to the pictures send me a PN please. Yes, apologize the 7 pictures. magnetic couplers magnetic couplers - WIP long distance coupling short distance coupling single electric magnetic coupler built in electric magnetic coupler magnetic couplers at the Roco hopper cars
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river6109		#26 Posted : 01 February 2020 08:18:45(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,725 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square		Thanks Teewolf, how you've managed to load the pictures as I tried and they were tiny and blurred., well here we are after all that and this gives you a pretty good idea what's it all about., I've also asked Bernd regarding the electrical coupling, whether or not he could produce them in a vertical position as the poles would not change but he said he is satisfied with his current design, this is what he aimed to achieve for his own use. the only application I would have for these electrical couplings is for freight trains and having 26 or more freight cars in 1 train assembly and just to add a marker light at the end is not economical viable., all my passenger cars have a 4 pole electrical couplings, either bought from Roco and Fleischmann and also my own design. John
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