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Offline Goofy  
#1 Posted : 08 June 2019 14:41:39(UTC)
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Has it happened to you that some decoders like m83 or m84 start to sound mute when using digital CS2/CS3?
It did happened to me for a while ago now.
I switched off and disconnect m83.
The humming sound disappeared.

Confused
DCC means Digital Command Control.

Offline Goofy  
#2 Posted : 09 June 2019 02:44:00(UTC)
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When i did used before both of m83 and m84 there was no humming sound.
I guess there is default with the system.
This is crazy when the system cost so much and already some default.
I don´t understand why humming sound just happens?
Nobody who knows why it appears?
DCC means Digital Command Control.

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#3 Posted : 09 June 2019 04:29:32(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
When i did used before both of m83 and m84 there was no humming sound.
I guess there is default with the system.
This is crazy when the system cost so much and already some default.
I don´t understand why humming sound just happens?
Nobody who knows why it appears?


check all your connection, maybe one of your turnouts is stuck., remove plugs from each turnout/signal and see which one will stop the humming noise.

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Offline Goofy  
#4 Posted : 09 June 2019 13:47:20(UTC)
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I did checked everything and all connection are correct.
Did tested with another digital system and there is no humming sound!
It dawned on me that it is Märklin CS3 that the error lies in there.
Why it happens now this i don´t know. Confused
DCC means Digital Command Control.

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#5 Posted : 09 June 2019 13:59:05(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
It dawned on me that it is Märklin CS3 that the error lies in there.


Maybe it's a bug; most bugs make humming sounds. BigGrin

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Offline Goofy  
#6 Posted : 09 June 2019 15:23:38(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Purellum Go to Quoted Post


Maybe it's a bug; most bugs make humming sounds. BigGrin

Per.



Yes i think it´s possible way because i have serious problem with the TDCB on the screen too.
I plan to send it back so Märklin can fix the problem.
Very sad about technology by Märklin.. ThumbDown

DCC means Digital Command Control.

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#7 Posted : 09 June 2019 17:45:26(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Purellum Go to Quoted Post

Maybe it's a bug; most bugs make humming sounds. BigGrin
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Indeed, it could be that bee he has in his bonnet. BigGrin
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Offline Purellum  
#8 Posted : 09 June 2019 19:03:18(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
I plan to send it back so Märklin can fix the problem.


Maybe if you can describe the sound a little better, we can determine which kind of bug this is?

I think you should wait a bit before you send it to Märklin, it could be a completely harmless little thing.

Per.

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Offline kiwiAlan  
#9 Posted : 09 June 2019 21:27:19(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Purellum Go to Quoted Post
Cool

Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
I plan to send it back so Märklin can fix the problem.


Maybe if you can describe the sound a little better, we can determine which kind of bug this is?

I think you should wait a bit before you send it to Märklin, it could be a completely harmless little thing.

Per.

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I thought (from what Goofy said in the first post) that the hum cam efrom the m83, but now he seems to be saying it is coming from the cs3.

I think we need a little more information here Goofy, as it could still be the m83 or wiring that is causing the problem.

Offline Purellum  
#10 Posted : 09 June 2019 22:13:47(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post
I thought (from what Goofy said in the first post) that the hum cam efrom the m83, but now he seems to be saying it is coming from the cs3.

I think we need a little more information here Goofy, as it could still be the m83 or wiring that is causing the problem.


He also wrote that it happened a while ago, and that it disappeared.

It would be nice to know if the bug has left completely, or if it's back.

Per.

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Offline David Dewar  
#11 Posted : 09 June 2019 22:16:23(UTC)
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Quite sure this is nothing to do with the CS3 which I thought was obvious from the first post. If switching off the M83 there is no hum then surely that is where the fault is.
Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer.
Offline Purellum  
#12 Posted : 09 June 2019 22:51:29(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: David Dewar Go to Quoted Post
Quite sure this is nothing to do with the CS3 which I thought was obvious from the first post.If switching off the M83 there is no hum then surely that is where the fault is.


It can be hard to tell, since Goofy have had a lot of problems with digital interference from the tracks with too much metal,
radio interference, interference from AC, digital strangers, poor wires, power detonations etc.

We just need more information before we can figure out which bug Goofy have ( or had ) in his house.

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Offline Purellum  
#13 Posted : 09 June 2019 22:56:10(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
Yes i think it´s possible way because i have serious problem with the TDCB on the screen too.


How big is your layout, how many turnouts, signals etc??

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Offline Goofy  
#14 Posted : 09 June 2019 23:13:11(UTC)
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As i did wrote in post #4 there was no humming sound by use another digital system with the m83 and m84.
DCC means Digital Command Control.

Offline Purellum  
#15 Posted : 09 June 2019 23:27:51(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
As i did wrote in post #4 there was no humming sound by use another digital system with the m83 and m84.


Please help us a bit more............. Blink

If you don't want to give us information, we can not help you. Confused

The questions asked above are all relevant to determine what's the problem. Cool

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Offline David Dewar  
#16 Posted : 09 June 2019 23:28:25(UTC)
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You could sell the CS3 and buy the system that does not hum. I would not send the CS3 back to Marklin as you would probably need to also send the m83 and m84 as well in order to replicate the problem. I think you will always have problems with your CS3 and it may not be the controller for you. Six months on I have no problems with mine. However I do not use M83s.
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Offline Dave Banks  
#17 Posted : 10 June 2019 01:11:05(UTC)
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Guys 10 yrs back I had this problem & it was like a "zinging noise" emanating from my layout / tracks. It would occur with zero locos on the track. I am racking my brain trying to remember what it was but I do remember it was a simple fix & it had to do with incorrectly connected wiring. It drove me nuts trying to solve it. At the time I used K83's & a Booster #6015 to power the accessories. Sorry this is not as helpful as you would expect on this forum but this is a case of not seeing the trees for the forest. It is something very simple. Start with unplugging things one by one & you will find it.

Have a read of this : https://test.m-users.net...=posts&t=39398&=

And Kimball's Find / Solution: https://test.m-users.net...trical-fault-in-a-layout
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Offline Goofy  
#18 Posted : 10 June 2019 06:53:27(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Purellum Go to Quoted Post


Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
As i did wrote in post #4 there was no humming sound by use another digital system with the m83 and m84.


Please help us a bit more.............

If you don't want to give us information, we can not help you.

The questions asked above are all relevant to determine what's the problem.

Per.



Read my posts!
The humming sound appears only by use CS3.
There is no humming sound by use Lenz and m83/m84.
Did you get it? Mad

DCC means Digital Command Control.

Offline Goofy  
#19 Posted : 10 June 2019 06:56:25(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: David Dewar Go to Quoted Post
You could sell the CS3 and buy the system that does not hum. I would not send the CS3 back to Marklin as you would probably need to also send the m83 and m84 as well in order to replicate the problem. I think you will always have problems with your CS3 and it may not be the controller for you. Six months on I have no problems with mine. However I do not use M83s.


It´s not m83 and m84.
It is CS3 that is the problem.
I will test it later in the evening to see if there is still problem.
Or else i have to send CS3 to fix the problem while there is warranty.

DCC means Digital Command Control.

Offline Purellum  
#20 Posted : 10 June 2019 07:50:42(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post


Read my posts!
The humming sound appears only by use CS3.
There is no humming sound by use Lenz and m83/m84.
Did you get it? Mad



I've read your posts, and I and others have asked you some questions.

Why won't you answer the questions???

You're asking for help; but won't give us anything to work with.

Per

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Offline MaerklinLife  
#21 Posted : 10 June 2019 08:16:12(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
Yes i think it´s possible way because i have serious problem with the TDCB on the screen too.
I plan to send it back so Märklin can fix the problem.
Very sad about technology by Märklin.. ThumbDown

CLEAR THE PRESS! CLEAR THE FRONT PAGE! Goofy has an issue with something Märklin made!

I have a suggestion, when you send it back, don't include a return address...

That being said: Could it be that the humming sound you hear is from the digital signal? Meaning that when you connect the m83, m84 and about every other piece of eqiupment that draws power from the track, you get an alternating current that creates a humming sound.

To test this, try and connect external power to the m83 or m84 or both. You can use the power supply from the Mobile Station 2.

Connecting the m83 or m84 to the track for power WILL create a humming sound, mine does it too. That is just the way it is - it is NOT A BUG.
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#22 Posted : 10 June 2019 08:42:44(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: MaerklinLife Go to Quoted Post
CLEAR THE PRESS! CLEAR THE FRONT PAGE! Goofy has an issue with something Märklin made!

I have a suggestion, when you send it back, don't include a return address...

That being said: Could it be that the humming sound you hear is from the digital signal? Meaning that when you connect the m83, m84 and about every other piece of eqiupment that draws power from the track, you get an alternating current that creates a humming sound.

To test this, try and connect external power to the m83 or m84 or both. You can use the power supply from the Mobile Station 2.

Connecting the m83 or m84 to the track for power WILL create a humming sound, mine does it too. That is just the way it is - it is NOT A BUG.


It can also be bad wiring like mentioned by Dave; but Goofy just wants it to be the CS3, so he won't accept other possibilities.

If he sends the CS3 to Märklin, they will test it and send it back, telling that there's nothing wrong.

And for eternity we'll have to hear about bad service from Märklin, even if in reality it's just a strand of a wire touching a connector.

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Offline Goofy  
#23 Posted : 10 June 2019 09:19:01(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Purellum Go to Quoted Post


Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post


Read my posts!
The humming sound appears only by use CS3.
There is no humming sound by use Lenz and m83/m84.
Did you get it? Mad



I've read your posts, and I and others have asked you some questions.

Why won't you answer the questions???

You're asking for help; but won't give us anything to work with.

Per



READ MY POSTS!!! Cursing

DCC means Digital Command Control.

Offline Goofy  
#24 Posted : 10 June 2019 09:22:32(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: MaerklinLife Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
Yes i think it´s possible way because i have serious problem with the TDCB on the screen too.
I plan to send it back so Märklin can fix the problem.
Very sad about technology by Märklin.. ThumbDown

CLEAR THE PRESS! CLEAR THE FRONT PAGE! Goofy has an issue with something Märklin made!

I have a suggestion, when you send it back, don't include a return address...

That being said: Could it be that the humming sound you hear is from the digital signal? Meaning that when you connect the m83, m84 and about every other piece of eqiupment that draws power from the track, you get an alternating current that creates a humming sound.

To test this, try and connect external power to the m83 or m84 or both. You can use the power supply from the Mobile Station 2.

Connecting the m83 or m84 to the track for power WILL create a humming sound, mine does it too. That is just the way it is - it is NOT A BUG.


Read my posts!
I did connect everything correct and the humming sound has not been at the start when i use CS3.
It was later when the problems accours.
I decides to test with my Lenz and there is no humming sound by use m83 and m84.
The problem are CS3.
Not m83 or and m84!!
DID EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND ME?? Mad

DCC means Digital Command Control.

Offline Purellum  
#25 Posted : 10 June 2019 09:57:30(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
READ MY POSTS!!! Cursing


We've all read your posts; but apparently you don't read ours.

Here's a compilation on different humming sounds made by different bugs, maybe this can help you.



And since you don't want real help, do as you want, send the CS3 to Märklin and be told that nothing is wrong.

Per.

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Offline David Dewar  
#26 Posted : 10 June 2019 10:54:16(UTC)
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AS Per says send it back and they will return it probably saying nothing wrong. You should sell the CS3 and use Lenz and give up Marklin as all you do is complain about it. This thread is going nowhere.
Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer.
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Offline PeFu  
#27 Posted : 10 June 2019 10:57:31(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: MaerklinLife Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
Yes i think it´s possible way because i have serious problem with the TDCB on the screen too.
I plan to send it back so Märklin can fix the problem.
Very sad about technology by Märklin.. ThumbDown

CLEAR THE PRESS! CLEAR THE FRONT PAGE! Goofy has an issue with something Märklin made!

I have a suggestion, when you send it back, don't include a return address...

That being said: Could it be that the humming sound you hear is from the digital signal? Meaning that when you connect the m83, m84 and about every other piece of eqiupment that draws power from the track, you get an alternating current that creates a humming sound.

To test this, try and connect external power to the m83 or m84 or both. You can use the power supply from the Mobile Station 2.

Connecting the m83 or m84 to the track for power WILL create a humming sound, mine does it too. That is just the way it is - it is NOT A BUG.


I’m using the Littfinski decoders and I don’t have the m83 or m84. I planned to suggest feeding the units with pure DC power instead, but from the manual I read the following:

”Voltage for the m83 comes exclusively through track connections or from the 66360/66365 switched mode power pack (only in conjunction with 60822).”

Why are Märklin restricting external power in this way? And don’t have the same ”screw” connection interface, as with the digital power?
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#28 Posted : 10 June 2019 21:33:33(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post

Read my posts!
I did connect everything correct and the humming sound has not been at the start when i use CS3.
It was later when the problems accours.
I decides to test with my Lenz and there is no humming sound by use m83 and m84.
The problem are CS3.
Not m83 or and m84!!
DID EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND ME?? Mad



We have read your posts, and still can't work out just what the problem is, beyond that you have a humming sound.

I cannot work out if the humming sound is coming from the cs3, or is it coming from the m83. Your test with the Lenz unit does not clarify this at all. If the sound comes from the cs3 then is it the m83 causing the cs3 to make the noise, or is it some signal from the cs3 that is causing the m83 to make a sound.

If you can clarify things then we can make suggestions to help investigate further. I have some further suggestions if only we could get some sensible answers that clarify what is happening.

We try and ask questions to clarify in our minds what the exact problem is and all we get as answers is "read my posts". How do you expect to get intelligent answers if you do not clarify the points in our questions?

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Offline dominator  
#29 Posted : 10 June 2019 23:42:52(UTC)
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Hey Goofy, if you know its the CS3, why ask the forum?

Its a pointless question, unless you are a quiz-master.

Your pointless question is leading to pointless replies.

I have no idea what your hum is,. I have MS2"s and every problem I have encountered has been my own F-up.

I do like what you are doing with your cardboard models though.

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#30 Posted : 11 June 2019 10:09:07(UTC)
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Hi, I don't have a CS3 or m83/m84 decoders, I have an IntelliBox and k83 decoders from marklin, LDT and Viessmann, but sometimes, just sometimes, not always, after turning on the layout sounds a very soft muted sound, just enter a command for some locomotive and the sound disappears. It seems to have to do with the last locomotive addresses that have been stored in the memory of the IB and that the IB sends them the last command and that causes that sound.

In the past, for some time used signals with stop by power interruption, and to maintain the memory of the locomotive had in the stop section a power supply through a resistance, the central continued sending the last order to the locomotive and this one received it and made that noise soft and muted.

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Offline Goofy  
#31 Posted : 11 June 2019 20:26:47(UTC)
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Today i did tested with the 60822 power supply unit for the m83 and m84.
The humming sound disappeared!
I switched off 60822 and the humming sound was back.
Did switched over to Lenz digital system and the humming sound still gone.
This provided that there is fault with the CS3.
DCC means Digital Command Control.

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Offline mvd71  
#32 Posted : 11 June 2019 20:48:17(UTC)
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Hi Anders,

can you clarify what you mean by "default with CS3"?

I'm not sure if you mean there is a fault with the CS3 or do you mean that there is a default setting based on using the m83/84 with a 60822, a and not using the 60822 then causes a humming sound?

Regards,

Mike
Offline Goofy  
#33 Posted : 11 June 2019 20:51:36(UTC)
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Sorry my bad english.
I mean fault.
DCC means Digital Command Control.

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Offline Danlake  
#34 Posted : 11 June 2019 20:51:49(UTC)
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Hi Anders,

I reported in 2017 when I got my CS3 that I also had significant higher humming noise from some of the decoders. Some of the loco decoder had a higher buzz sound while standing still, but the worst was one of my turnout build in decoders... the buzzing (or humming) noise was so loud that I ended up removing the decoder from the turnout as it distracted me from enjoying the ambiance on the layout.

See post no. 17 in this thread:

https://www.marklin-user.../t37862-CS3-Known-Issues

As I was the only one reporting it I though it was just one a oddity on my layout, maybe associated with using a common ground.

But now it appears the bug may also have reached Sweden!

It would be interesting if other users that have both CS3 and another controller did a comparison?

Best Regards
Lasse
Digital 11m2 layout / C (M&K) tracks / Era IV / CS3 60226 / Train Controller Gold 9 with 4D sound. Mainly Danish and German Locomotives.
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Offline Goofy  
#35 Posted : 11 June 2019 20:59:08(UTC)
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Hi Lasse!
When i did bought CS3 and did upgraded system there was no humming but some later it did start humming.
The important to remember is that when i use the 60822 power supply unit the humming sound stop.
This is so weird and i start to believe it might have to do with the program in the CS3.
I did checked the power supply to the CS3 and it shows 19,3 volt.
So it´s normal.
DCC means Digital Command Control.

Offline Minok  
#36 Posted : 11 June 2019 21:08:12(UTC)
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I'd be curious to know from where is the humming coming? What device is producing the humming sound?

Knowing that replacing one thing with another doesn't resolve the issue - it could be the Lenz controller isn't generating the signals that causes one of the M decoders to hum, if its an M decoder humming. Or is it the CS3 that is itself humming? Or is it the power supply to the CS3 that is humming?

Simplify the system. Remove the track from the system - just the CS3 its power supply and the M83 and M84 (and their power supplies). Got humming? Then disconnect a component and and test again. Get to a base state (maybe just the CS3 and its power supply) that doesn't hum, and then add back in one part at a time (assuming you can verify from where the humming is coming from).
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Offline mvd71  
#37 Posted : 11 June 2019 23:38:53(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
Sorry my bad english.
I mean fault.


Thanks for clarifying, it will be interesting to see what the fault is ultimately traced to.

Cheers....

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Offline Drongo  
#38 Posted : 12 June 2019 01:19:27(UTC)
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Hi Anders,
I can't help you with your train problem, however, I really understand your frustration - I'm having a problem with s88's not working and I've checked everything and I believe that they should be working, but they don't. If you are able to have a friend come and have a look at your system, you may find that using a second set of eyes, you may find the fault. If you can't, then sit down, have a nice cup of tea or coffee and send the forum as much information you can, and I'm sure things will work out.
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Offline MaerklinLife  
#39 Posted : 12 June 2019 05:17:50(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
Hi Lasse!
The important to remember is that when i use the 60822 power supply unit the humming sound stop.

Yes, of course it does. As I wrote: You are hearing the digital signal and/or the Railcom/mfx cutout signals when you do not connect an external power supply. This is normal and some decoders hums when that happens.

I would even bet that if you turn off some of the protocols and run only one, the humming sound will change or even dissappear.

The reason you don’t see this with the Lenz system could be that it does not support more than one protocol and/or Railcom/mfx cutout.

It is normal all my m83/m84 decoders has always done this. Annoying, but it is not a bug! Use an external power supply and get over it. Alternatively buy a bunch of decoders from different manufacturers and find one that does not behave that way. All decoders are different and some might not do this.
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Offline Goofy  
#40 Posted : 12 June 2019 06:59:03(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: MaerklinLife Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
Hi Lasse!
The important to remember is that when i use the 60822 power supply unit the humming sound stop.

Yes, of course it does. As I wrote: You are hearing the digital signal and/or the Railcom/mfx cutout signals when you do not connect an external power supply. This is normal and some decoders hums when that happens.

I would even bet that if you turn off some of the protocols and run only one, the humming sound will change or even dissappear.

The reason you don’t see this with the Lenz system could be that it does not support more than one protocol and/or Railcom/mfx cutout.

It is normal all my m83/m84 decoders has always done this. Annoying, but it is not a bug! Use an external power supply and get over it. Alternatively buy a bunch of decoders from different manufacturers and find one that does not behave that way. All decoders are different and some might not do this.


No you have wrong!
It has not to do with the protocols.
When you set m83 and m84 with DCC or MM it doesn´t matter.
CS3 support DCC and MM with the mfx too.
It´s not normal when buzzing/humming appears by use CS3 while Lenz there is no humming sound.
There is physical errors with the CS3.
Yes there is bugs in my CS3.

DCC means Digital Command Control.

Offline Goofy  
#41 Posted : 12 June 2019 07:01:11(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Drongo Go to Quoted Post
Hi Anders,
I can't help you with your train problem, however, I really understand your frustration - I'm having a problem with s88's not working and I've checked everything and I believe that they should be working, but they don't. If you are able to have a friend come and have a look at your system, you may find that using a second set of eyes, you may find the fault. If you can't, then sit down, have a nice cup of tea or coffee and send the forum as much information you can, and I'm sure things will work out.


Are you fool me?
I did wrote there is fault with my CS3.
What has tea and coffee to do with the problems in the CS3? Confused

DCC means Digital Command Control.

Offline Goofy  
#42 Posted : 12 June 2019 07:04:11(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Danlake Go to Quoted Post
Hi Anders,

It would be interesting if other users that have both CS3 and another controller did a comparison?

Best Regards
Lasse


I don´t think they will write some faults in their own CS3.
Most of the member still use CS2.
copenhagen do also have problem with the CS3 about the TDCB which i also do have error.

DCC means Digital Command Control.

Offline PeFu  
#43 Posted : 12 June 2019 09:02:40(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: MaerklinLife Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
Hi Lasse!
The important to remember is that when i use the 60822 power supply unit the humming sound stop.

Yes, of course it does. As I wrote: You are hearing the digital signal and/or the Railcom/mfx cutout signals when you do not connect an external power supply. This is normal and some decoders hums when that happens.

I would even bet that if you turn off some of the protocols and run only one, the humming sound will change or even dissappear.

The reason you don’t see this with the Lenz system could be that it does not support more than one protocol and/or Railcom/mfx cutout.

It is normal all my m83/m84 decoders has always done this. Annoying, but it is not a bug! Use an external power supply and get over it. Alternatively buy a bunch of decoders from different manufacturers and find one that does not behave that way. All decoders are different and some might not do this.


No you have wrong!
It has not to do with the protocols.
When you set m83 and m84 with DCC or MM it doesn´t matter.
CS3 support DCC and MM with the mfx too.
It´s not normal when buzzing/humming appears by use CS3 while Lenz there is no humming sound.
There is physical errors with the CS3.
Yes there is bugs in my CS3.



But what happens if you only run DCC on the CS3? What MaerklinLife suggests is that it is the multiprotocol management in the m83 and m84 that cause the humming.

As we have suggested, why don’t you go for the external power solution, if it works?

And Goofy: Please don’t be so harsh on individuals actually trying to help you. A good start is to use question marks instead of exclamation marks....

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Offline Goofy  
#44 Posted : 12 June 2019 09:32:19(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PeFu Go to Quoted Post


But what happens if you only run DCC on the CS3? What MaerklinLife suggests is that it is the multiprotocol management in the m83 and m84 that cause the humming.

As we have suggested, why don’t you go for the external power solution, if it works?

And Goofy: Please don’t be so harsh on individuals actually trying to help you. A good start is to use question marks instead of exclamation marks....



It has not to do with the protocols!!
No matter of DCC or MM!!!
My CS3 stand in all protocols.
The humming sounds did appears short after i did upgraded system 1.4.1.
What harsh??
It´s you who present wrong comments.
Just read my posts!
I did also present external power make humming sound disappeared but it´s not necessary by use external power.
It´s still wrong with the humming sounds!!
Did you get it??? Cursing

DCC means Digital Command Control.

Offline Purellum  
#45 Posted : 12 June 2019 11:14:54(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
It has not to do with the protocols!!
No matter of DCC or MM!!!

........................

It´s you who present wrong comments.
Just read my posts.

........................

It´s still wrong with the humming sounds!!
Did you get it??? Cursing


I think we all got it now; you only want to tell us that something is wrong with your CS3, and you absolutely don't want any help.

Please accept my sincere apology for misunderstanding your posts, and falsely reading them as if you wanted help. LOL

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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#46 Posted : 12 June 2019 11:33:30(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
What has tea and coffee to do with the problems in the CS3? Confused


Coffee helps you to chill out which judging by some of your replies you need to do! Don't make me lock this thread!
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Offline dominator  
#47 Posted : 12 June 2019 13:08:37(UTC)
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Dare I say Anders isn't the only one to need a coffee break. One of my mentors once told me he learned that if he didn't have anything nice to say, he would say nothing. Yes I know. Frustrating but true. Sorry.
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Offline kiwiAlan  
#48 Posted : 12 June 2019 14:57:30(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Minok Go to Quoted Post
I'd be curious to know from where is the humming coming? What device is producing the humming sound?


Well, I tried asking that as well, and still don't have an answer.

As someone else posted, Goofy only wants to tell us his frustration without revealing details that will enable us to help him with the problem.

Offline David Dewar  
#49 Posted : 12 June 2019 15:26:52(UTC)
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I would suggest that as the thread is going nowhere maybe time to end it. Goofy does not like his CS3 and nothing we try to do or say will change that.


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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#50 Posted : 14 June 2019 03:11:58(UTC)
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I suspect Goofy's humming problem is not necessarily a fault with his CS3, but probably is more to do with the way the CS3 interacts with other components that Goofy has (but is yet to identify / reveal to the rest of the forum).

I had a humming issue on my layout some years ago when I had the bright idea of using a Delta controller (M 66045) as a booster to feed K83 decoders with my CS1 acting as the layout main controller.

I never got to the bottom of what caused the issue and I ended up using a 60051 transformer to power the (Viessmann 5211) K83's.

I do remember the humming sound being quite loud and distracting and suspected it was to do with how the Delta controllers interacted with the rest of my wiring (common earth, etc)

Goofy is using a CS3 rather than a CS3+ which has no galvanic isolation. Are there any other devices in use which also don't have galvanic isolation?
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