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Offline rg1911  
#1 Posted : 27 November 2018 23:05:27(UTC)
rg1911

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I recently re-inherited (long story) the Marklin equipment that my father purchased circa 1953 when we were stationed in Germany. I'm trying to get it working but there are no manuals or instructions in the footlocker. These may have disappeared while my brother (RIP) had possession of the equipment.

My google-fu is not working well because I'm coming up blank. Does anyone know of a source for instructions and manuals for the older equipment?

For instance, the transformer is a model 280A. I would like to make sure the insides are good to go, but I don't know the trick to get the cover off, or how the transformer is supposed to operate. A check with my voltmeter shows that, unless I'm doing something seriously wrong, there is 120 coming out of the B (train) connections on the back instead of the 8-16 volts the information plate says it should be. This transformer has two plugs (red and brown) each for the B, L and W outputs. The powered track sections each have two wires and plugs, red and brown, that I'm assuming plug into the transformer.

The switches, on the other hand, have three wires. I'm confused.

Thank you for any suggestions.

Cheers,
Richard
Offline Dave Banks  
#2 Posted : 27 November 2018 23:15:10(UTC)
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Offline TEEWolf  
#3 Posted : 28 November 2018 00:27:21(UTC)
TEEWolf


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Originally Posted by: rg1911 Go to Quoted Post
I recently re-inherited (long story) the Marklin equipment that my father purchased circa 1953 when we were stationed in Germany. I'm trying to get it working but there are no manuals or instructions in the footlocker. These may have disappeared while my brother (RIP) had possession of the equipment.

My google-fu is not working well because I'm coming up blank. Does anyone know of a source for instructions and manuals for the older equipment?

For instance, the transformer is a model 280A. I would like to make sure the insides are good to go, but I don't know the trick to get the cover off, or how the transformer is supposed to operate. A check with my voltmeter shows that, unless I'm doing something seriously wrong, there is 120 coming out of the B (train) connections on the back instead of the 8-16 volts the information plate says it should be. This transformer has two plugs (red and brown) each for the B, L and W outputs. The powered track sections each have two wires and plugs, red and brown, that I'm assuming plug into the transformer.

The switches, on the other hand, have three wires. I'm confused.

Thank you for any suggestions.

Cheers,
Richard


Have a look here.

https://dermodellbahnblo...andbuch-anleitungen.html

There are books in German and in English, like these ones

http://s341536299.online...iature-railway-h0-en.pdf

http://s341536299.online...33-service-manual-en.pdf

By these old transformers I would be very cautious. The cables are old and brittle. You have to expect that they are damaged and dangerous. I still have them too, but I do not use them any more. They are about 50 to 60 years old.





Offline rg1911  
#4 Posted : 28 November 2018 02:49:09(UTC)
rg1911

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Originally Posted by: Dave Banks Go to Quoted Post


That seems to be it; it has three pairs of outputs in the back.

I had skimmed that thread. Perhaps I missed something important.

Thank you,
Richard
Offline rg1911  
#5 Posted : 28 November 2018 02:57:38(UTC)
rg1911

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Originally Posted by: TEEWolf Go to Quoted Post


Have a look here.

https://dermodellbahnblo...andbuch-anleitungen.html

There are books in German and in English, like these ones

http://s341536299.online...iature-railway-h0-en.pdf

http://s341536299.online...33-service-manual-en.pdf

By these old transformers I would be very cautious. The cables are old and brittle. You have to expect that they are damaged and dangerous. I still have them too, but I do not use them any more. They are about 50 to 60 years old.



Thank you! I'm glad some are in English; I only speak a little Stuttgarter and Schweizer German and do not have the technical vocabulary. The Marklin site lists a number of books, but then says they are not available.

I have written to Marklin to ask if they have any transformers that work with the older equipment.

Tchuss,
Richard

Offline PMPeter  
#6 Posted : 28 November 2018 04:30:03(UTC)
PMPeter

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Location: Port Moody, BC
Hi Richard,

You would probably be better served by buying one of the newer style transformers on eBay. Currently on eBay.com there are a few listings for various wattage rated units for North America:

32 VA

16 watt

Peter
Offline TEEWolf  
#7 Posted : 28 November 2018 04:48:29(UTC)
TEEWolf


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Richard see this link:

http://s341536299.online...-elektrischen-bahnen.pdf

You find it also at the Modellbahn Blog. It is also in English, if you you scroll down the manual. But before in the German section you see the cabeling connections.

For the Märklin cabeling colours see here

https://www.maerklin.de/...faq/Technik-Tipp-102.pdf

and there (also for a analogue connecting scheme)

https://www.maerklin.de/.../MM_Verkabelung_2013.pdf

Regards

TEEWolf

P.S. search through the links in the complete Modellbahn Blog. Perhaps you find something of value for you, which I do not know. But think about @PMPeters recommendation. I agree with him. But the analogue cabeling for a new (white) transformer will be the same as shown in the manual.
Offline mike c  
#8 Posted : 28 November 2018 05:25:22(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: rg1911 Go to Quoted Post
I recently re-inherited (long story) the Marklin equipment that my father purchased circa 1953 when we were stationed in Germany. I'm trying to get it working but there are no manuals or instructions in the footlocker. These may have disappeared while my brother (RIP) had possession of the equipment.

My google-fu is not working well because I'm coming up blank. Does anyone know of a source for instructions and manuals for the older equipment?

For instance, the transformer is a model 280A. I would like to make sure the insides are good to go, but I don't know the trick to get the cover off, or how the transformer is supposed to operate. A check with my voltmeter shows that, unless I'm doing something seriously wrong, there is 120 coming out of the B (train) connections on the back instead of the 8-16 volts the information plate says it should be. This transformer has two plugs (red and brown) each for the B, L and W outputs. The powered track sections each have two wires and plugs, red and brown, that I'm assuming plug into the transformer.

The switches, on the other hand, have three wires. I'm confused.

Thank you for any suggestions.

Cheers,
Richard


Hi Richard,

simple response. The old metal transformers should not be used due to the risk of electrocution and short circuits. There is a risk that the insulation of the cord has worn out, possibly allowing the mains voltage to transfer to the metal body or to the mechanism inside.

The plugs on the back on the transformer should be red (live), brown (return) and yellow (accessories). The red and brown provide power for the rails. The brown is a common ground and the yellow is the constant live for use with signals, switch lights, etc.

The switch tracks have three wires. the yellow is for connection to the accessory terminal and the other two (brown) are for connection to the switch box (7012) which allows you to active the solenoid for straight or turn. One should be connected to the red button and the other to the green button on the switch panel. This was confusing because if I remember correctly, those wires were all blue and the only difference was the color of the plugs.

Getting back to the transformer, you should replace the old one with a 6646 (120 V)
as seen here: http://www.ajckids.com/products/Marklin/6646

It will work fine with your older models. The only thing that you will have to do is to remove the brown and red plugs from the ends of the wires, twist the wire ends and to connect them to the new terminals. If using multiple devices that need to connect to the brown and yellow terminals, you can use a terminal strip connected to the transformer to link all the cables.

and if you were actually looking for instructions for Marlin, try here: https://www.sportfishing...marlin-teasing-them-boat

Regards

Mike C
Offline Henrik Schütz  
#9 Posted : 28 November 2018 20:00:51(UTC)
Henrik Schütz

Sweden   
Joined: 04/08/2015(UTC)
Posts: 44
Location: Stockholms Lan, Stockholm
Search on Ebay, any Marklin transformer with plastic housing should do the job 6627 is older and blue 6646 is newer white, and safe with digital locomotives. Available new from Marklin.

No marklin transformers are designed to be opened by end users , the manual gives no information about this, the ask you to return the item for service

Henrik

Do you need any more manuals please ask in the thread
Offline rg1911  
#10 Posted : 29 November 2018 00:38:18(UTC)
rg1911

United States   
Joined: 27/11/2018(UTC)
Posts: 14
Originally Posted by: mike c Go to Quoted Post


Hi Richard,

simple response. The old metal transformers should not be used due to the risk of electrocution and short circuits. There is a risk that the insulation of the cord has worn out, possibly allowing the mains voltage to transfer to the metal body or to the mechanism inside.

The plugs on the back on the transformer should be red (live), brown (return) and yellow (accessories). The red and brown provide power for the rails. The brown is a common ground and the yellow is the constant live for use with signals, switch lights, etc.

The switch tracks have three wires. the yellow is for connection to the accessory terminal and the other two (brown) are for connection to the switch box (7012) which allows you to active the solenoid for straight or turn. One should be connected to the red button and the other to the green button on the switch panel. This was confusing because if I remember correctly, those wires were all blue and the only difference was the color of the plugs.

Getting back to the transformer, you should replace the old one with a 6646 (120 V)
as seen here: http://www.ajckids.com/products/Marklin/6646

It will work fine with your older models. The only thing that you will have to do is to remove the brown and red plugs from the ends of the wires, twist the wire ends and to connect them to the new terminals. If using multiple devices that need to connect to the brown and yellow terminals, you can use a terminal strip connected to the transformer to link all the cables.

and if you were actually looking for instructions for Marlin, try here: https://www.sportfishing...marlin-teasing-them-boat

Regards

Mike C


Mike,

Thank you for the information and for the link to ajckids. I have ordered two of the 6646 transformers.

Cheers,
Richard
Offline rg1911  
#11 Posted : 29 November 2018 00:53:14(UTC)
rg1911

United States   
Joined: 27/11/2018(UTC)
Posts: 14
Originally Posted by: TEEWolf Go to Quoted Post
Richard see this link:

http://s341536299.online...-elektrischen-bahnen.pdf

You find it also at the Modellbahn Blog. It is also in English, if you you scroll down the manual. But before in the German section you see the cabeling connections.

For the Märklin cabeling colours see here

https://www.maerklin.de/...faq/Technik-Tipp-102.pdf

and there (also for a analogue connecting scheme)

https://www.maerklin.de/.../MM_Verkabelung_2013.pdf

Regards

TEEWolf

P.S. search through the links in the complete Modellbahn Blog. Perhaps you find something of value for you, which I do not know. But think about @PMPeters recommendation. I agree with him. But the analogue cabeling for a new (white) transformer will be the same as shown in the manual.


TEEWolf,

Again you have provided information I need. I have downloaded the files and will get to the Modellbahn Blog.

I grabbed my father's German-English dictionary but all the German words are in the old script (Kaiserschrift?) so I'll need to buy a more modern German-English dictionary. I need to do this, anyway, since I have a number of books in German that I would like to read again. (My German used to be much better.)

And, as I told Mike C, I have ordered two of the 6646 transformers so I can get the train to go around the base of the Christmas tree.

Cheers,
Richard

Offline Bigdaddynz  
#12 Posted : 29 November 2018 03:10:01(UTC)
Bigdaddynz

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Posts: 17,401
Location: New Zealand
This may be of help.

I would also certainly recommend you obtain a newer white cased transformer - much safer.


Eckert Marklin wiringbooklet.pdf (170kb) downloaded 18 time(s).
Offline rg1911  
#13 Posted : 29 November 2018 04:11:07(UTC)
rg1911

United States   
Joined: 27/11/2018(UTC)
Posts: 14
Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post
This may be of help.

I would also certainly recommend you obtain a newer white cased transformer - much safer.


Eckert Marklin wiringbooklet.pdf (170kb) downloaded 18 time(s).


Thank you. And I have ordered two of the 6646 transformers.

Cheers,
Richard
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