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RayF		#1 Posted : 05 June 2018 11:51:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,871 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Hi all, Today I received the 28451 set which contains a small diesel made by Fleischmann for Marklin. It is a Delta loco and comes set for analogue operation. I need to get into it to change the DIP switches but I can't see any obvious way of removing the body. The set did not bring its manual. Can anyone help? The set looks like this: Edited by user 06 June 2018 00:11:39(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
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NS1200		#2 Posted : 05 June 2018 12:28:38(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/08/2009(UTC) Posts: 3,443		Ray, It is easy. Here is the recipe in Dutch: http://wiki.modelspoorwi...3%A4rklin_Strukton_O%26K The warningsign simply says that the Marklin guarantee is not applicable if you open it up. The hood can be easily removed by gently pushing the buffers down,apparently the hood is fixed to the motorpart without bolts. Note that the two sides of the loco are not identical,so when putting the hood back just gently push,if it does not fit,you have the hood in the wrong direction. Mind you,the old Fleischmann version required turning the buffers outward,with the coupling falling out. Please note that the Fleischmann/Marklin model never worked for Strukton. Like so many other private railcompanies,Strukton used the Orenstein und Koppel industrial shunters but not this type. There was a 3-axle loco coming very close,please see piuctures: http://www.industriespoo...rovincieUtrecht.htm#Tiny http://www.industriespoo.../tekeningO&KMC14.htm Cheers, Paul.
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thomasm		#3 Posted : 05 June 2018 12:49:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/05/2013(UTC) Posts: 78		It is a funny little shuntingloco in my opinion. I bought one myself when I was visiting Eurospoor. Here you have the fleischmann manual hl-1306+1306F.pdf (720kb) downloaded 61 time(s). .thomas
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RayF		#4 Posted : 05 June 2018 13:01:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,871 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Thanks, Thomas and Paul. I managed to get the job done!
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NS1200		#5 Posted : 05 June 2018 13:58:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/08/2009(UTC) Posts: 3,443		Whilst on the subject of small Dutch shunters,what about Marklin 28452? It is a nice set in Railbouw Leerdam colors,a constructioncompany involved in laying track. The set holds an interesting locomotive,a variant of the well known Marklin 3078,this time with couplingbars on the wheels,nice! It also holds three interesting NS railwaycars with delicate gripbars,the socalled Bollenwagens ("Bowlcars) unique for The Netherlands,usually holding powdered subtances. This set is still on my wishlist. And of course the set 2845,another Railbouw Leerdam set,this also needs to be bought by me. Cheers, Paul.
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RayF		#6 Posted : 05 June 2018 14:05:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,871 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Originally Posted by: NS1200 Whilst on the subject of small Dutch shunters,what about Marklin 28452? It is a nice set in Railbouw Leerdam colors,a constructioncompany involved in laying track. The set holds an interesting locomotive,a variant of the well known Marklin 3078,this time with couplingbars on the wheels,nice! It also holds three interesting NS railwaycars with delicate gripbars,the socalled Bollenwagens ("Ballcars) unique for The Netherlands,usually holding powdered subtances. This set is still on my wishlist. And of course the set 2845,another Railbouw Leerdam set,this also needs to be bought by me. Cheers, Paul. Definitely both those sets sets on my list too! Also on my list is the 2890 postal set, 2854 Mannesmann pipe train, 2857 Wurtemberg freight set, 2847 Swiss freight set, 2861 sugar beet set, and a few others I can't recall just now! I have already many of the train sets offered by Marklin over the years. I love the way they often include locos and cars not found separately. I wish I could afford to buy them all!
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NS1200		#7 Posted : 05 June 2018 16:44:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/08/2009(UTC) Posts: 3,443		Ray,many of these small sets from the seventies and eighties come at affordable prices and as you say the locomotives can be rather unique. What about: 2855 V100 weathered with 6 tankcars VTG 2858 V36 diesel with 4 red thunderbarrels 2860 E 52 in burgundy with Bavarian coaches 2864 Lollo diesel with 4 long DB coaches 2865 Br 75 with 3 4 axle coaches 2867 E 111 with Lufthansa coaches 2868 E 103 with Lufthansa coaches 2874 V63 with 3 small container cars. 2850 E 04 with 3 DRG coaches 2852 E 103 with 3 long TEE coaches 2853 V60 worktrain And probably there are more! Edited by user 05 June 2018 22:53:33(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
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Jabez		#8 Posted : 05 June 2018 23:36:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 30/08/2016(UTC) Posts: 636 Location: Brussels		Question How do I get the body off a 28451 loco? Call Winston Wolfe
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RayF		#9 Posted : 06 June 2018 00:13:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,871 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Originally Posted by: Jabez Question How do I get the body off a 28451 loco? Call Winston Wolfe How does this help?
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Bigdaddynz		#10 Posted : 06 June 2018 07:08:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,772 Location: New Zealand		Originally Posted by: RayF How does this help? A Pulp Fiction reference perhaps? https://www.shmoop.com/p...ction/harvey-keitel.html
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Bigdaddynz		#11 Posted : 06 June 2018 07:17:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,772 Location: New Zealand		Originally Posted by: NS1200 2853 V60 worktrain I've just got one of these. And as you say it is good value. There are solid rails on the large flatcar and ties on the smaller flatcar, which I haven't seen elsewhere. Plus, as a result the two cars are quite solid. Pictures are in the 2018 Locomotives thread (I know Ray has seen them), but I'll repost them here.
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Markus Schild		#12 Posted : 06 June 2018 07:43:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,802 Location: Wurttemberg		Hi Ray, Here is the manual: ba-28451-601849-1197.pdf (1,905kb) downloaded 60 time(s). Regards Markus
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RayF		#13 Posted : 06 June 2018 09:09:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,871 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Thanks Markus. Very useful!
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NS1200		#14 Posted : 06 June 2018 11:34:45(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/08/2009(UTC) Posts: 3,443		Locomotive Herma is a two axle unit of a different type compared to the Marklin model. The Marklin manual is wrong here. Locomotive Tiny is a three axle unit coming close to the Marklin model. Marklin took the Fleischmann model and called it Herma,oh dear. Herma: http://www.rail-pictures...ds-at-roosendaal-on.html And the Railbouw Leerdam loco from set 28452: http://www.bahnbilder.de...w-leerdam-mit-einem.html
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RayF		#15 Posted : 06 June 2018 18:39:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,871 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		I found this photo on the net: This one is a different shape but the right colours.
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RayF		#16 Posted : 06 June 2018 18:42:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,871 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Here's my loco on my layout: It's almost right isn't it?
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Jabez		#17 Posted : 06 June 2018 22:29:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 30/08/2016(UTC) Posts: 636 Location: Brussels		Originally Posted by: RayF How does this help? It doesn't, unless a lighthearted joke helps you through your day. Bigdaddynz gets it. Jabez
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RayF		#18 Posted : 06 June 2018 23:27:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,871 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Originally Posted by: Jabez Originally Posted by: RayF How does this help? It doesn't, unless a lighthearted joke helps you through your day. Bigdaddynz gets it. Jabez That's the whole point! Anyone can make a joke, but I was asking a question to which I was hoping to get a sensible answer. Of course I got the Pulp Fiction reference, and no it didn't help me take the body off my loco. Fortunately a couple of people did help me and I was able to resolve the problem.
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NS1200		#19 Posted : 07 June 2018 07:40:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/08/2009(UTC) Posts: 3,443		Originally Posted by: RayF I found this photo on the net: This one is a different shape but the right colours. That is the real Herma! A number of Strukton locomotives got names of the wives of the locodrivers and this is Herma. Note the motor hoods front and back are different from the Marklin model.
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RayF		#20 Posted : 07 June 2018 09:12:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,871 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Its a case of modellers license. When you already have a model which is close to what you want you let the imagination go the rest of the way! The 3044 Marklin model of the EA800 is based on the DHG500 diesel which is slightly different in shape, but if you squint at it...
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NS1200		#21 Posted : 07 June 2018 09:35:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/08/2009(UTC) Posts: 3,443		Ray, Depends how far you want to go. Over recent years,superdetailing seems to get the upperhand,also with Marklin. People prepared to pay over Euro 400 for a loco because it has so much (plastic!) detail. Model loco drivers have been absent for a long time,and when they show up in the cabins they do not move and wear shiny uniforms! So,how much detail do we need? For me,the classic NS 1200 is more realistic as compared to the updated versions,having the much too large handgrips on the hoods,horrible! Read comments on the German Stummi forum about detailing,people checking every single 0.5 mm detail on new models and saying something is not as per prototype,amazing!
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Markus Schild		#22 Posted : 07 June 2018 22:41:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,802 Location: Wurttemberg		Originally Posted by: RayF Its a case of modellers license. When you already have a model which is close to what you want you let the imagination go the rest of the way! The 3044 Marklin model of the EA800 is based on the DHG500 diesel which is slightly different in shape, but if you squint at it... Hi Ray, Every Märklin user knows, that the prototype of the 3044 really exists. Who will call into question that the MIBA (1969/3b) is right: Translation: This diesel - engine with a pantograph really exists: It is in service in the USA. Don't worry about the buffers. Regards Markus
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Bigdaddynz		#23 Posted : 08 June 2018 06:19:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,772 Location: New Zealand		Originally Posted by: Markus Schild Who will call into question that the MIBA (1969/3b) is right: The picture appears in the 'Märklin Neuheiten' for 1969 post the Spielwarenmesse, so it must be right! Likewise there is also the announcement of the Gauge 1 DHG500, on page 205.
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