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Joined: 15/10/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,319 Location: Washington, Pacific Northwest
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I've got a Fleischmann 5297 heavy load freight car, which has 8 axels, 4 at each end, which I want to run in freight trains on my layout.  For S88 detection to work, I'm thinking of replacing the DC wheelsets it has on it now, with AC wheelsets. But thats 8 wheelsets. So one option, rather than spending $30+ to get 8 wheelsets, is to instead only replace some of the DC wheelsets, such as 2 of the axels (one at each end) or 4 of them (on at each end of the cars groups): So go from D D D D --------------------- D D D D to A D D D -------------------- D D D A A D D A -------------------- A D D A Where D is a DC wheelset, and A is an AC wheelset. Now having read that differences may not just be the current conduction side to side, but also the spacing and other physical rolling dimensions, I've got the question, will replacing only some of the wheelsets, so having a mix of AC and DC wheelsets on the car, cause problems? |
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Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,443 Location: DE-NW
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Originally Posted by: Minok  Now having read that differences may not just be the current conduction side to side, but also the spacing and other physical rolling dimensions, I've got the question, will replacing only some of the wheelsets, so having a mix of AC and DC wheelsets on the car, cause problems? Some wheelsets are too wide for Märklin C track, others are OK. I never exchange the wheelsets on Fleischmann rolling stock and I do not have any problems on C track. But I do not use contact tracks, so isolated wheelsets are no problem for me. I wrote it before: I replace or adjust axles with Piko, Liliput, Tillig, and some others, but not with Fleischmann, Roco, or Trix. I don't expect problems with a Fleischmann car that mixes "AC" and "DC" wheelsets. |
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Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,764 Location: Brisbane, Australia
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Hi Thomas (Minok), As Tom says mixing AC/DC will not cause a problem. However, in some of the larger Fleischmann models (possibly such as that 8 axle behemoth), the axle length is 25mm (point to point). Maerklin axles are 24mm in length, so usually fall out at inopportune times. But you can purchase AC 25mm wheelsets from Fleischmann. (item #6561). Kimball Edited by user 13 April 2018 03:15:23(UTC)
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Joined: 15/10/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,319 Location: Washington, Pacific Northwest
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Excellent. Yes, I am purchasing Fleischmann wheelsets - so they work on Fleischmann rolling stock - no falling out. Per lokshop data:
- Fleischmann 6561 is a 25mm wheelset (To convert all 4-axled FLEISCHMANN wagons)
- Fleischmann 6560 is a 24mm wheelset (to convert all 2- and 3-axled FLEISCHMANN wagons )
While that model isn't listed, Fleischmann does return an newer car:529701 This is the same 8 axle car (but with NEM coupler pockets, my older one has no NEM coupler pockets, different transformer load), and lists as the appropriate part: AC Wheel set Article number 6560 which would be 24mm. So 8 axel cars may use the same axels as the 2 and 3 axel cars .. To be safe, I'll go home and measure the current axle lengths.So thanks for pointing out that length detail I'd not even known about, and confirming that there should be no there operational issues. I'll likely go with A D D A -------------------- A D D A Just to minimize the possibility of a short contact section is entirely between the two ends. |
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Joined: 15/10/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,319 Location: Washington, Pacific Northwest
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Well this just got a lot more interesting. First there was the need to disassemble the wheel bogies from the car and bend some metal tabs to get the wheel sets out. Needless to say I'm only reinstalling once I have the wheels in hand to limit bending those small two tabs. Then there turn out to be two different sizes of axels and styles on the car. Each end has 4 axels. The outer two on each end (the ones I'd planned to replace with AC wheelseta, have the sharp pint on them and ride inside a tight well the way one expects. Those are 23.91 mm in axel length. So 24mm. The inner two axels are looser without the ends being as captive my the wagon frame and longer and have a flat end to the axels. They are 27.06mm long. So 27mm.  So I need four 24 mm wheelsets to do the job. Replacing all eight wheelsets would not be possible I think. |
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Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,443 Location: DE-NW
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Originally Posted by: Minok  Then there turn out to be two different sizes of axels and styles on the car. Three-axle cars from Märklin and Liliput have a different middle axle: no needle bearing, a lot play left and right and up and down. Same for the four-axle trucks of this car. Full weight on the outer axles, the inner axles are just decoration. This makes going for the ADDA setup easier. |
Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS  |
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Joined: 14/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,802 Location: Wurttemberg
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Hi,
If you only have an electrical problem but no mechanical issues with the wheel-sets I just would treat them with conductive lacquer to eliminate the insulation.
Regards
Markus
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Joined: 21/05/2004(UTC) Posts: 1,768 Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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A bit late for you now but remember too that some dealers will exchange wheel sets for you at no charge.
I recently purchased the Fleischmann 5 set Prussian express train set and requested MBL exchange the wheel sets for AC - no problems. |
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