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Webmaster		#1 Posted : 18 January 2006 23:21:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/07/2001(UTC) Posts: 11,165		Since I have got a couple of Z-scale waggons as presents, I feel I must start out with a tiny Z-scale layout... My thought is to have 2 similar layouts mounted on boards. One snowy landscape for the winter/Christmas season and one for the rest of the year... I will just swap the boards when the season comes... Since I don't know much about Z starter sets and the Märklin Z pages suck, I need some advice... The "winter" layout must have a steamer, and the "summer" layout could use the same loco, or a diesel... Since I feel it would be cheaper to get 2 starter sets than buying individual items I need some recommendations... The prerequisites are: Minimum radius, an oval is enough but the more tracks the better... The layout would be about max 40x90 cm... Any help appreciated!
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john black		#2 Posted : 19 January 2006 00:07:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Nice idea going with season layouts, Juhan. Guess there can be lots of track on 40 x 90 ... John
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Heine Pedersen		#3 Posted : 19 January 2006 01:24:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/03/2003(UTC) Posts: 87 Location: ,		The Märklin Z "Jarbuch" is online here: http://catalog.lokshop.de/MAR/2005/Jahrbuch-D-Z Normaly my first advice to newcomers in Z is to forget about the steamers because of not so very good power pickup, but not all the steamers are hopeless. The worst is the Mikado with 4 driving axles but power pickup on only two of them. So stay away from that, and you should be fine. Diesels and electrics with two or three axle trucks runs great.
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HueyCE		#4 Posted : 19 January 2006 02:06:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,528 Location: Groton, Connecticut		I can't really give a recommendation on the Z start sets other than my wife's opinion, which was none of the start sets actually meet her criteria so we did buy the individual pieces, plus a couple of the extension sets. The only Z set that my wife has actually liked so far is the 81781 Neuschwanstein set. As for Z steamers, I have to disagree with Heine, the various iterations of the Württemberg K series locomotives that Märklin has made in Z have performed quite well. Ira
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Hoffmann		#5 Posted : 19 January 2006 03:10:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/11/2004(UTC) Posts: 1,106 Location: Guelph, Ontario		Hello Juhan, First of I would buy the cheapest Marklin Z-Start-set (# 81562 since the Engine has Lights)and add to it with the Z Flex-Track (it is 660 mm Long) and you can cut it to the length you need. If you at all interested in American Diesel GP 35 and F 7 ( wash my mouth out with Soap) have a look at the Micro-Trains Line. The GP from Micro-Trains runs better then anything Marklin has made so far. A word of caution ones you start it is hard to stop and Marklin Z is as expensive as HO. Have Fun, Martin
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HvR		#6 Posted : 19 January 2006 13:34:38(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/05/2003(UTC) Posts: 161 Location: ,		Hello Juhan, If I am allowed to make a suggestion: See my other z-topic 81781 + Neuschwanstein. Marvelous z-starter set. Typically 259 euros from Marklin. Now sold by Conrad Electronics for 159 euros. Including track, 2 switches, S3/8 (BR 18) steam loco and 3 coaches. And of course including the castle. I am still busy building a winter layout with this set also. (If regular work allows me to....). Regards, Hans
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Charlie		#7 Posted : 19 January 2006 16:58:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 707 Location: Texas, USA		Juhan, I agree fully with Hans!
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MärCo		#8 Posted : 19 January 2006 17:13:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 1,159 Location: The Netherlands		A suggestion for a tiny layout —> https://www.marklin-user...ault.aspx?g=posts&t=2557
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Heine Pedersen		#9 Posted : 19 January 2006 22:38:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/03/2003(UTC) Posts: 87 Location: ,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by HueyCE I have to disagree with Heine, the various iterations of the Württemberg K series locomotives that Märklin has made in Z have performed quite well. Ira Thats good news! I guess it's one of the better steamers. but stay away from the 2-8-2... The small 3 axle steamer is running better than that one. Unless you are running it at the speed of light... Here is my winter layout: And here is my Neuschwanstein: This layout is very under construction. Still a lot of work to do...
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HueyCE		#10 Posted : 20 January 2006 03:08:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,528 Location: Groton, Connecticut		I like your "Layout in a Shelf". My wife is still working out track plans for her layout to incorperate her Neuschwanstein set, I hope you don't mind if she steals some details from yours. I'll pass along your warning about the 2-8-2. Ira
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Charlie		#11 Posted : 20 January 2006 21:01:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 707 Location: Texas, USA		Heine, it sure looks great. Two extremes, very small and very large!
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steventrain		#12 Posted : 21 January 2006 00:38:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,685 Location: United Kingdom		Excellent small and large layout.
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Heine Pedersen		#13 Posted : 21 January 2006 01:29:22(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/03/2003(UTC) Posts: 87 Location: ,		Here is a movie to illustrate what I think is a good running loco in Z: http://www.norskmjforum..../krypkjoring02_heine.wmv It's standard Märklin turnouts and run by a standard Märklin trafo. It's filmed in my coffee table layout.
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Webmaster		#14 Posted : 21 January 2006 03:13:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/07/2001(UTC) Posts: 11,165		Excellent, Heine... How will a small 3-axle steamer run compared to this? I have only seen 2 "live" Z-layouts... One demonstration layout from Brio, the Swedish importer, where a steamer (BR01?) was running on steroids, and the shop-window layout at a jewellers shop in Copenhagen (I believe it is a part of Illum's...) with a small 3-axle steamer + hoppers filled with jewels (all gold plated)...
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steventrain		#15 Posted : 21 January 2006 12:54:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,685 Location: United Kingdom		Excellent video and very good smooth running.
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HueyCE		#16 Posted : 21 January 2006 14:54:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,528 Location: Groton, Connecticut		That is a smooth running loco. Ira
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Heine Pedersen		#17 Posted : 22 January 2006 02:05:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/03/2003(UTC) Posts: 87 Location: ,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Webmaster How will a small 3-axle steamer run compared to this? You will have to run it faster to avoid it from runing junpy or stopping.
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Webmaster		#18 Posted : 22 January 2006 03:28:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/07/2001(UTC) Posts: 11,165		Can the small 3-axled steamer be run at somewhat reasonable speed? I mean, I don't want to run a display layout on steroids... I had an N-layout in my kitchen window once, worked quite ok but I had to run slightly over prototypical speed to make it work somewhat reliably...
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Heine Pedersen		#19 Posted : 24 January 2006 00:20:22(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/03/2003(UTC) Posts: 87 Location: ,		Well, it runs OK when the wheels and tracks are clean, and the track is not "bumpy". But you have to clean often...
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MärCo		#20 Posted : 24 January 2006 09:04:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 1,159 Location: The Netherlands		I can advice you to buy track cleaning car 8802. It really keeps the tracks in good condition, and works often better then cleaning the tracks yourself.
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crasyhh		#21 Posted : 24 January 2006 11:53:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 55 Location: drammen,		but this car instead of the rail bus :http://www.heinepedersen.com/miniclub/rensevogn.htm i have one myself just soak it with alcohol an place it in front of your train, then it clean the wheels of the train too. but remember to lock the pads in a safe place, i hawe managed to loose them..[xx(]
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