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Offline Pricerob26  
#1 Posted : 19 December 2017 01:38:25(UTC)
Pricerob26

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Going through a childhood collection of 1960's era Marklin hardware and starting with a couple of locomotives (I have more, but I'm just getting my feet wet as a newbie to the forum). I'm curious if there is anything special here, and would like to know how to identify the version/year, grade the condition and approximate a value for an F800 and a 3015 so I'm reaching out to the collector community for help (which is appreciated). The F800 was converted to a smoker back in the 60's. When I ran it about 10 years ago for my kids, the smoker unit wouldn't work so I installed a replacement but kept the old parts-everything else is how I had it as a kid. I'm not sure if this is standard or not but the tender has a solenoid for the coupling and requires two speed control knob presses to change locomotive direction. The 3015 is unmodified. Both of them run but there are no boxes for either of them. A picture is worth a thousand words so here are a few posted photos (hopefully this will work!):

[img=https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0R5fEtEvfnjyF]F800 & 3015 photos[/img]

Thanks

Robert
Offline cookee_nz  
#2 Posted : 19 December 2017 02:59:38(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pricerob26 Go to Quoted Post
Going through a childhood collection of 1960's era Marklin hardware and starting with a couple of locomotives (I have more, but I'm just getting my feet wet as a newbie to the forum). I'm curious if there is anything special here, and would like to know how to identify the version/year, grade the condition and approximate a value for an F800 and a 3015 so I'm reaching out to the collector community for help (which is appreciated). The F800 was converted to a smoker back in the 60's. When I ran it about 10 years ago for my kids, the smoker unit wouldn't work so I installed a replacement but kept the old parts-everything else is how I had it as a kid. I'm not sure if this is standard or not but the tender has a solenoid for the coupling and requires two speed control knob presses to change locomotive direction. The 3015 is unmodified. Both of them run but there are no boxes for either of them. A picture is worth a thousand words so here are a few posted photos (hopefully this will work!):

[img=https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0R5fEtEvfnjyF]F800 & 3015 photos[/img]

Thanks

Robert


Hi Robert, your link does not work, rather than linking to an image repository can you please post the actual images as an attachment to your message? 4-5 images max recommended. Perhaps one post for the F800 and another for the Croc.

Thanks

Steve
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Offline kiwiAlan  
#3 Posted : 19 December 2017 17:53:57(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pricerob26 Go to Quoted Post
Going through a childhood collection of 1960's era Marklin hardware and starting with a couple of locomotives (I have more, but I'm just getting my feet wet as a newbie to the forum). I'm curious if there is anything special here, and would like to know how to identify the version/year, grade the condition and approximate a value for an F800 and a 3015 so I'm reaching out to the collector community for help (which is appreciated). The F800 was converted to a smoker back in the 60's. When I ran it about 10 years ago for my kids, the smoker unit wouldn't work so I installed a replacement but kept the old parts-everything else is how I had it as a kid. I'm not sure if this is standard or not but the tender has a solenoid for the coupling and requires two speed control knob presses to change locomotive direction. The 3015 is unmodified. Both of them run but there are no boxes for either of them. A picture is worth a thousand words so here are a few posted photos (hopefully this will work!):

[img=https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0R5fEtEvfnjyF]F800 & 3015 photos[/img]

Thanks

Robert


Is it really an F800, or the later 3048? The F800 numbering on the cab may have carried over into later production as the models stayed the same even under the new numbering system. The smoke unit may be original, as there were a handful of locos that came with factory fitted smoke units around that time, along with the Telex coupling you mention in the tender. This would have been a premium production item in its day. The smoke units can fail.

Offline Pricerob26  
#4 Posted : 19 December 2017 18:43:01(UTC)
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Thanks for the hint about posting photos, let's see if I can get it to work. Hopefully the pictures will settle the question of F800 vs 3048, I'm certainly no expert!

Thanks

Robert

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Offline steventrain  
#5 Posted : 19 December 2017 19:04:11(UTC)
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It is a 3026 after F800.

3026 have two black wiring to relex coupling at back of tender from loco but 3048 have no wiring.

The 3026 do not have smoke but 3048 have smoke unit.

Maybe someone drilling throught the chimmy of 3026 for smoke unit fitted?

3026 Running number f800, 01 097, MARKLIN on cab side and F809/1 on left side of tender.
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Offline Pricerob26  
#6 Posted : 20 December 2017 20:12:59(UTC)
Pricerob26

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Thanks for the information, that's very helpful and something I certainly didn't know. I'm certain the smoke unit was installed in the 60's by the Marklin dealer in Germany. I know this because my brother got a 3048 as a gift from my grandparents and it had the smoke unit so to keep me from missing out with my older model without smoke (which they had given me as a gift years previously) they had it installed. Grandparents are the best, aren't they? So I would conclude there's nothing that special about this model; any way to determine the year and value of it?

Anything special about the Swiss locomotive 3015 and what year might it be? (it's going to be newer than the 3026 since it was given as a gift years later)

Thanks

Robert

Offline White Buffalo  
#7 Posted : 24 December 2017 05:46:48(UTC)
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I can't help on the 3015, I do not have enough knowledge about the specific versions.

But the 3026 you have is interesting. I think it would be helpful if you could get a couple of photos with the engine shell off and some close up pics of the tender. The rear coupler, stairs and running numbers on the tender always help identify specific versions or at least narrow it down to a few options thus give you a better idea of the value.

Any idea of the running condition?
Offline steventrain  
#8 Posted : 24 December 2017 12:46:04(UTC)
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Photo of 3026 (bottom) and 3048 (top).

3048 have screw at top of boiler to open loco body but 3026 have three screws (two underside of cab and one undersider of front of loco).

Tender coupling/handrail around front of headlight are different.

Note the loco driving wheels type are different (3026 4mm and 3048 3mm wide).


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Offline White Buffalo  
#9 Posted : 25 December 2017 05:58:00(UTC)
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Do all 3026 models have the Telex couplers? I was looking at the descriptions in the Kolle Katalog and at first glance it can be difficult to tell the difference between these and the F800 since they seem to have the same running numbers.
Offline Pricerob26  
#10 Posted : 29 December 2017 03:18:45(UTC)
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Here are some close-ups of the 3026's tender and views of the chassis to (hopefully) aid in identification. The locomotive still runs, reverses, and emits smoke (via the custom modification mentioned previously); the telex coupler is intermittent in its function but I haven't investigated the cause.

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Offline White Buffalo  
#11 Posted : 04 January 2018 04:29:10(UTC)
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I'm thinking you might catch $150 on ebay for the 3026. That's just a guess, Koll's price Katalog has it valued higher but those prices have not been reflected in a long time. For example, the Katalog shows my F800 as being worth approx $450, but they have sold on ebay in the $200-$250 range the last year in excellent condition with the original box. So for a ballpark I usually go with 1/2 the value of Koll's Katalog. At least that is how I do my figures with my year 2000 Katalog. Others might agree or disagree....just my 2 cents & experience. It's been more of a buyers market lately than a sellers market unless you have a collectors item.
Offline White Buffalo  
#12 Posted : 04 January 2018 04:32:10(UTC)
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the Crocs (3015) are usually worth quite a bit, but I do not know enough about the different versions to make an educated guess.
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