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Offline Minok  
#1 Posted : 01 December 2017 19:50:55(UTC)
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So per the new Märklin video the shunting crocodile will get the newest version of telex couplers.

The activiation mechanism is something new, as can be seen in the computer animation at the front of the video. Its certainly smaller (no big block anymore).

I'm curious about the long term wear on the mechanism.. but a future video on the telex coupler should clarify some of that detail.

Maybe a few years down the road an upgrade to telex couplers will be something to do on many of the locomotives in the park (for those of us with eras that don't have cabs on the back end, where a loco change over is needed at end-stations, or when the direction of the train is reversed.)

telex-2018-new2.PNGtelex-2018-new3.PNGtelex-2018-new.PNG


Compared to the more recent telex design:
telex-2016.PNG

Edited by user 02 December 2017 00:45:54(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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Offline kiwiAlan  
#2 Posted : 02 December 2017 21:39:06(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Minok Go to Quoted Post
So per the new Märklin video the shunting crocodile will get the newest version of telex couplers.

The activiation mechanism is something new, as can be seen in the computer animation at the front of the video. Its certainly smaller (no big block anymore).

I'm curious about the long term wear on the mechanism.. but a future video on the telex coupler should clarify some of that detail.

Maybe a few years down the road an upgrade to telex couplers will be something to do on many of the locomotives in the park (for those of us with eras that don't have cabs on the back end, where a loco change over is needed at end-stations, or when the direction of the train is reversed.)

telex-2018-new.PNG


That looks an interesting change in design. I do not like the current telex coupling because of the bulk in the design, but this new one looks a lot less bulky.
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Offline MaerklinLife  
#3 Posted : 03 December 2017 07:55:59(UTC)
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Very nice! I hope they will make a kit available to retrofit other locos. These things should not be spare parts with cryptic product numbers. I will look forward to the feedback from the people who buys the model.
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Offline Dean24  
#4 Posted : 01 January 2021 12:02:28(UTC)
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Hi all,
are these new telex couplers available as a spare part yet?
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Offline Minok  
#5 Posted : 01 January 2021 20:41:18(UTC)
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I don’t think so.
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Offline Mark_1602  
#6 Posted : 02 January 2021 15:12:24(UTC)
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Hi,

According to Märklin, the new 3rd generation Telex couplers will not be available separately and cannot be substituted for 2nd generation ones. Apparently, the firmware of the decoder has been adapted for the latest version of the Telex couplers.
Best regards, Mark

I like Märklin items produced in the 1960s or early '70s, but also digital locos & current rolling stock.
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Offline clapcott  
#7 Posted : 02 January 2021 22:11:13(UTC)
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... Apparently, the firmware of the decoder has been adapted for the latest version of the Telex couplers.

I think this relates to the comment in the v3.2.2.0 release notes ...

Version: 3.2.2.0 (May 19, 2020)
Feature: New logical function "Alternative engine sound" implemented for gear locomotives
Feature: Electric locomotive rear derailleur now available in three different variations
Feature: The volumes of the two channels of the driving noise can now be set individually
Feature: Electric locomotives now have more gear steps in the lower speed range[/b]


and the configurator reference for setting up a function called "FGL coupler"
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Offline Minok  
#8 Posted : 02 January 2021 22:20:10(UTC)
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So the implication, if I’m tracking here, is that WITH the updated firmware (maybe for many existing decoders of maybe only with the newest decoder ) AND once there is normality and the new decouplers are available as spares THEN we may be able to retrofit the newer decouplers to older locomotives.

Now is it correct that updating the firmware on factory installed decoders an impossibility is? eI we may have to replace the factory decoder in any loco wich we want to use the new decouplers in?
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Offline Mark_1602  
#9 Posted : 03 January 2021 14:25:31(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Minok Go to Quoted Post
... once there is normality and the new decouplers are available as spares THEN we may be able to retrofit the newer decouplers to older locomotives


No, Märklin doesn't want anyone to do that. They just won't sell that spare part separately. I guess some tech-savvy people could find a way to fix the compatibility problem, for example by fitting a new decoder, but they still can't buy the new Telex couplers from Märklin.

Obviously, this third generation Telex coupler is supposed to have a positive effect on the sale of new locos ...

Edited by user 03 January 2021 20:02:27(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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Offline bph  
#10 Posted : 03 January 2021 23:37:28(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Minok Go to Quoted Post
So the implication, if I’m tracking here, is that WITH the updated firmware (maybe for many existing decoders of maybe only with the newest decoder ) AND once there is normality and the new decouplers are available as spares THEN we may be able to retrofit the newer decouplers to older locomotives.

Now is it correct that updating the firmware on factory installed decoders an impossibility is? eI we may have to replace the factory decoder in any loco wich we want to use the new decouplers in?


user "ktsolias" wrote that the new telex required special electronics, in this post. https://www.marklin-users.net/forum/posts/m613275--New--telex-coupler#post613275

it's possible to firmware upgrade factory installed decoders, but the FGL option is not visible on cs3. It is even hidden in CS3 on MSD3 decoders. (cv programming might be possible but I haven't checked)
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Offline Timnomads  
#11 Posted : 06 January 2021 13:20:01(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: bph Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Minok Go to Quoted Post
So the implication, if I’m tracking here, is that WITH the updated firmware (maybe for many existing decoders of maybe only with the newest decoder ) AND once there is normality and the new decouplers are available as spares THEN we may be able to retrofit the newer decouplers to older locomotives.

Now is it correct that updating the firmware on factory installed decoders an impossibility is? eI we may have to replace the factory decoder in any loco wich we want to use the new decouplers in?


user "ktsolias" wrote that the new telex required special electronics, in this post. https://www.marklin-users.net/forum/posts/m613275--New--telex-coupler#post613275

it's possible to firmware upgrade factory installed decoders, but the FGL option is not visible on cs3. It is even hidden in CS3 on MSD3 decoders. (cv programming might be possible but I haven't checked)


Hi

I have had to return my Crocodile to Marklin twice with failing couplers, the last time they reprogrammed the decoder according to the enclosed documentation, I hope it does not have to go back a third time as it is now out of guarantee.

Tim
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Offline kiwiAlan  
#12 Posted : 06 January 2021 20:09:01(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Timnomads Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: bph Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Minok Go to Quoted Post
So the implication, if I’m tracking here, is that WITH the updated firmware (maybe for many existing decoders of maybe only with the newest decoder ) AND once there is normality and the new decouplers are available as spares THEN we may be able to retrofit the newer decouplers to older locomotives.

Now is it correct that updating the firmware on factory installed decoders an impossibility is? eI we may have to replace the factory decoder in any loco wich we want to use the new decouplers in?


user "ktsolias" wrote that the new telex required special electronics, in this post. https://www.marklin-users.net/forum/posts/m613275--New--telex-coupler#post613275

it's possible to firmware upgrade factory installed decoders, but the FGL option is not visible on cs3. It is even hidden in CS3 on MSD3 decoders. (cv programming might be possible but I haven't checked)


Hi

I have had to return my Crocodile to Marklin twice with failing couplers, the last time they reprogrammed the decoder according to the enclosed documentation, I hope it does not have to go back a third time as it is now out of guarantee.

Tim


As your crocodile is an MHI item it has a 5 year guarantee. I don't think it is out of that yet (2018 item IIRC).
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