Found this at Stummis:
https://stummiforum.de/v...hp?t=153231&start=50 - post #57

... "A brief outline of the model: The locomotives were built from 1951 and were actually intended to replace the 78 and 93.5 series. The great success did not materialize, however, and shortly after delivery there was a rework and it remained at just 18 copies, divided into two construction series differing in details. The second series and the last two of the first were retrofitted for reversing train control - the locomotives were always driven with the boiler to the train (otherwise the heater would have an all-round view). They were mainly used in NRW, later in Aschaffenburg for local traffic or light local freight trains. The locomotives were shut down until 1972, although the last one (65 018) is still operational today."

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Hello friends,

get a look here over 25 years!

https://www.maerklin.de/...03-2018_050718_DE_db.pdf

And have a view at the bottom on the left corner: what a surprise the 39650 is already there.

Best regards

TEEWolf
Germanicus

Hi,
From the early 1930s cab controlled trains with the steam engine pushing the rear of the train, were used in both UK and Germany, and possibly elswhere.
In England they are called PUSH-PULL trains.
The idea was to operate branch lines without the need to reverse or run the engine around the train. On the outward journey the engine operated normally, hauling at the front of the train, whereas on the return the driver occupied the control cab at the other end of the train with the engine pushing.

In Germany such trains were called Wendezug. Here is how the operation with steam worked, relying on the fireman remaining in the loco, while the driver was in the control cab of the train. The control system used was called the Hagenuk-Befehlsgerätes (Hagenuk command unit).

Essentially it worked much like the ship's telegraph used in the boiler rooms and on the bridge of ships, relying on through cables or electrical connections between engine and cab. The engineman would send a signal on the Gerät to, for example, close the throttle to 25%. The fireman in the locomotive would see an indicator light up in the cab repeating that message. The fireman would then have to move his indicator to match it, which in turn would be repeated in the control cab. He would then make the necessary adjustments to the controls to fulfill the command.

The fireman only worked the throttle wheel and the cut-off control (reverser). The brakes were operated by the engineman in the control cab. Locomotives which had Wendezug capability could be identified mainly by having four brake hoses on the end facing the train, rather than the usual two. Perhaps that is what Maerklin has modelled in this engine.

There was also a failsafe in the form of a mechanism which could automatically close the throttle if the message send by the engineman wasn't acknowledged properly. The engineman could then stop the train with the air brakes.

The steam loco classes with these controls were BR78, BR38, BR65, BR66 and BR23. There may have been others.

Kimball

Edited by user 31 May 2018 22:21:08(UTC)  | Reason: added PUSH-PULL sentence

Hi,

My Apologies about the number, a friend had managed to get me confused.

Regards
Carsten

I'm wondering how many the "numerous Preiser figures" will be. I would hope it will be rather more than 8, even more than 8 per coach. I would be looking for each coach to be at least 1/3 full of figures, preferably nearer 1/2 full.

Interstingly one can't get at the PDF brochures from the links Steven provided to the product pages. In the newsletter email it takes you to here for the Marklin one and here for the Trix one.

I can't find anything for the coaches beyond the product page that Steven linked to. I am surprised at the dearth of info on these on the pages I linked to above.

I'd gotten the Kramm newsletter that linked to their image, where it looks like there are around 8-10-ish in each coach just looking through the windows if this pre-production photo is representative, but it could be 15-18 just as easily if there are two figures sitting next to each other in a row because one would occlude the other in the image:

Yep - the physics just seem wrong to me when pushing a train, although it mostly seems to work. I mostly avoid that with my trains on my layout as well, where it can occasionally cause issues at turnouts and junctions.

I don't think that I would like it nearly as much if I were physically inside that train, although some US commuter trains I have ridden were so long that I had no idea where the loco was.

Scuse me for being dumb - I am ready to get my coat. In most of the pictures you see the engine facing forward (pulling) when the train is facing forward and facing backwards (pushing) when the train is going backwards. So this means at the terminus the engine has been reversed. I thought the lack of need or faculties to reverse the engine was one of the main advantages of this system. Treat me gently now.

And here is the Fleischmann BR 65 converted (by John - river6109) from DC analogue to Märklin digital.

Running on the old modular layout back in 2013

Thanks John



39650 ordered from Meises ModellbahnCenter....woohoo

As far as the price is concerned, have you seen the previous Brawa model's price , if you can still get it!!!

And now a video of three BR tank locos (65, 85 and 81)



Enjoy

Very pretty - I am a real sucker for the metal boiler bands! Put those on a loco or table lights in a coach and I hooked immediately.

The photos show the loco pulling the train only. In some it is chimney first and in others it is bunker first. In true push-pull operation the loco might be facing either way depending on when it was last turned, but it would not run round to the other end of the train when it changes direction.

Thanks Ray - that makes sense.

I like the added flexibility that yields, providing more configurations for this train. The more ways that you can configure and run a train the better I like it.

I assume that the coach lights work all of the time, perhaps powered from a slider on the rabbit hutch car. I am also guessing that the drag switch they mention determines the color and configuration of the lights on that coach. People who are already familiar with the other iterations of these coaches no doubt already know those answers.

I have several sets of coaches with drag switches for the head and tail light configuration, and find it an adequate solution that does not involve spending more money on function decoders and more time on making the modifications.

Besides, creating a consist is not trivial when controlling with a MS2, and the only way to make it work that I can think of is to disable mfx on the loco and set the same DCC or MM address for both the loco and the function decoder.

Err, yes, but they haven't incorporated the disappearing driver technology of the recent br103 ...

I guess your right - no need to inspect the tickets - its the same people sitting in the same seats as on the outward journey - in fact on every journey ever!

Yes, that is most likely the ideal scenario. Märklin just introduced driver/engineer swapping in last years BR 103 insider model, where the direction change drives motors that raise/hide the respective engineer to be visible on the new front end, and hidden on the new back end based on direction of travel.

To do that in this coach would require they implement a similar solution, which is possible but would require some space compromises (need to have a place to hide the torso, or pop up a photo of the empty cab over the window inside. To do that they could:
1) Install a decoder to drive a motor similar to the BR 103 - but then users have to consist the cab to the locomotive (there isn't any auto-consisting technology that I know of yet, though decoders communicating over a common current conducting coupler with locos could auto-pair I suppose).
2) Make the mechanical direction change mechanism also drive the motor (a mechanical wipe determines the motor direction via an optical sensor, that then drives the motor to the other position)

Those both add cost and complexity. But would be cool as hell if coupled with the cab lighting on/off capability. Maybe an enterprising modeler could build such a solution.

Well that's life. I agree with Märklin. First of all they are offering a loco and not funny gimmicks. In my opinion these are all unnecessary. Important is the design, finish and running of a loco for a reasonable price. The price for a BR 65 is not reasonable. But if you read the interview of Mr. Sieber jr. in the Insider News you know why. They keep the club fees low although costs are increasing. Well, just get 20 € more for an new Insider loco and you cover all Insider cost increases.

Even the sound I do not see only positiv. I always shut it off after a short time. I do not need this noise all the time at home. Running three or four locos at the same time with a noisy sound is driving me crazy.

By the way, why don't you buy the Roco loco, if they offer your prefernces and Märklin not? Also you get the ability writing in a Roco and not in a Märklin community, if someone for Roco does exist?

There is an interesting development related to my access to the second Insider model, although I don't know what it means.

The two large North American online dealers where I normally buy my Insider models do not list either the 39650 or 41275. One dealer has never listed any of the second 2018 Insider models. The other dealer first listed them without prices, later added prices for the Märklin and TRIX versions but then removed all four items from their website. I had been under the impression that all MHI dealers had to sell the Insider models but maybe I am misinformed. Perhaps they will be listed again in the future, closer to the order deadline. While the one dealer listed them, their price was pretty high, being just 5% below full Märklin retail, which is more than I have paid in the past.

It will be weeks yet until I will have the order form, which both dealers require, so I could not order them at this point anyway, but it seems odd that they are not yet listed at either dealer.

No way - I spend all my time sucking up to them, hoping to just get some Märklin stuff actually delivered.

For about the last year everything I want is either already sold out or can be ordered and who has any clue when it will actually be built. And the Insider form doesn't really matter at this point because neither site lists them for sale now, which is odd. I just scan and attach an image of the form and there is a nice paper trail on the order that we can all follow.

Oh well - I think it is just Märklin trying to help a long time customer reduce his MRR costs by making things very hard to buy.

My asset manager thanks them.

I can't remember one thing, why some DB locomotive has white lettering for the numbers and some other (like the insider model) golden?

Marklin for Eurotrain.

47544 OnRail Bogie tank wagon. price and Date unknown.

End of August or early September.

Starter Set.

29013 BR74 with Two 4-wheels coaches (base on 4314), Oval of C- tracks and MS2 - RRP EUR 269 Delivery Due October 2018.