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MrB32  
#1 Posted : 30 August 2017 03:07:14(UTC)
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Interesting "Teppichbahn"

Layout with a 7 track station and 3 trains in motion.


Station up close
MrB32  
#2 Posted : 04 September 2017 02:54:35(UTC)
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Some more details on the workings, I find the turnout control solution very clever.

Usual cascading signal setting:


Turnout control via catenary ports, the clever bit (undocumented feature but logical if you think about it for more than a couple of days BigGrin )

Offline Johnvr  
#3 Posted : 04 September 2017 15:24:23(UTC)
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Hi,

I like this solution - very clever indeed.

At one stage I did something similar to this.

I had a circuit track which was placed just before the turnout, in the same way that you have done it.
The trigger from the circuit track was sent through a relay which was programmable to be sometimes on (so that the turnout would go straight) and sometimes off (so that the turnout would go curved). I could programme the relay through a simple timer to be for example 60% on and 40% off, or whatever proportion I wanted. So the trains would choose their direction according to the timer. It was a bit random but great fun - had to make sure that the track ahead was clear !

Here was my experiment board :

DSCN2065.JPG

Regards,BigGrin
John
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MrB32  
#4 Posted : 04 September 2017 15:32:41(UTC)
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To be clear this is not my solution, just something I saw on youtube, the beauty of the setup is that no collision is possible, that is if you don't run out of the cable during installation :)
Offline Jabez  
#5 Posted : 04 September 2017 22:25:39(UTC)
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I can't see anything. Just a black rectangle entitled Station Up Close.
I heard that lonesome whistle blow. Hank Williams
Offline asp1880  
#6 Posted : 04 September 2017 22:44:02(UTC)
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Hi everyone. First post here. I'd better stop lurking and come clean since you seem to like my teppichbahn videos on youtube.

Actually, the hardest part of the magnum opus layout wasn't the station tracks, it was controlling the signals that guard the
station approaches. At any one time, there can be zero, one or two trains waiting to enter the station. When a train leaves
the station, it admits only one train at the time into the station, setting only one signal to green. Except if no trains are
waiting, then both entry signals go green. I had to dig up some old logic reduction techniques I learned in electronic engineering
to make the logic fit in 3 fernschalter relays. It's not perfect and will admit two trains into the station simultaneously
if the timing is unfortunate.

Oh well. It's all been dismantled now. It took three weeks to build and two hours to tear down...
I sometimes watch the videos myself. It's oddly calming to watch the trains move in
interesting patterns and see the control logic work. Delightfully nerdy :-)

Anyway, glad to be here.

Regards,
--Anders.
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Offline Johnvr  
#7 Posted : 05 September 2017 09:10:05(UTC)
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Hello Anders,

I also enjoy that part of the hobby .. working out control sequences so that trains run without incident on the layout !

Your use of signals at the crossing was also interesting .. can you describe the logic which you used to ensure no accidents at the crossing ?

Regards,BigGrin
John
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Offline asp1880  
#8 Posted : 05 September 2017 17:21:24(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Johnvr Go to Quoted Post

Your use of signals at the crossing was also interesting .. can you describe the logic which you used to ensure no accidents at the crossing ?


Hello John.

The signals before the crossing also happen to have an interesting detail.
The two approaches to the crossing (call them A and B) each have a contact track (CA and CB) in front of a signal (SA and SB).

CA sets SB to red through the SA catenary connector.
CB sets SA to red through the SB catenary connector.

So a train on one track will stop the other track, but only if it hasn't been stopped itself already (its own signal is green).
Running the control signals through the catenary connectors (there they are again BigGrin ) like this prevents deadlock where two trains arriving simultaneously will stop each other.

You will also need one contact track a "train length" after each exit to set the signal to green again.

Regards,
--Anders.
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Offline Jabez  
#9 Posted : 06 September 2017 00:21:41(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Jabez Go to Quoted Post
I can't see anything

OK, I see it all now, my connection must have been on go slow last night.
Very ingenious
Jabez

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