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Offline CanadianKid  
#1 Posted : 30 June 2017 00:33:40(UTC)
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Hello,
I have downloaded SCARM and I am experimenting with future layout designs and I was wondering if curved stations are pro typical. In my research, I have seen some curved stations such as the Berlin Central Station (although not the era I am modelling), and a few in Bavaria that were also curved. Does it really work to have a curved station in Marklin though? I ask this partially because the cars can't uncouple on curved track, so this would make shunting operations a little bit more difficult.
I would like to model in a general sense Era 3 and 4 somewhere in Bavaria, so I'm mostly wondering if this was pro typical for that era.
Thanks,
Matthew
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Offline Tex  
#2 Posted : 30 June 2017 01:54:42(UTC)
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Curved station platforms can be a great plan if you are building a small Marklin layout as pointed out by my friend Detmar. He had constructed several larger layouts starting in prewar Germany. His final layout was constructed when he was in his 90's in the United States. It was small about 1.5 X 3 meters with no grades and all the track in easy reach. He employed a double track loop and he placed the passenger station on one curve and had a removable tunnel on the opposite curve. The long straight sections had yards and industries for shunting.

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Offline mike c  
#3 Posted : 30 June 2017 02:58:13(UTC)
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There are many examples of stations where the platforms are situated on a curve. The new Berlin Main Station is an example, as is the Station at Arth-Goldau in Switzerland, where the lines from Zuerich and Luzern meet and the continue to the Gotthard line. I believe Zuerich-Oerlikon is also a curved station on the Zuerich-Winterthur line.

The problem with curved stations in Maerklin models is that there are a limited number of available curved switch tracks, which make having multiple station tracks and platforms a challenge. Most DC 2 Rail brands have a greater selection of switch track radii which make this a little more possible.

That said, a curved station is a great idea for a local line where there may be two station tracks (where trains can pass) and a dead end freight track.

Regards

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Offline Unholz  
#4 Posted : 30 June 2017 05:48:44(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: mike c Go to Quoted Post
I believe Zuerich-Oerlikon is also a curved station on the Zuerich-Winterthur line.


...and don't forget Bern, the curviest main station in Switzerland, or Zurich Airport station. Wink

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Offline kimballthurlow  
#5 Posted : 30 June 2017 09:06:36(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: CanadianKid Go to Quoted Post
... Does it really work to have a curved station in Marklin though? I ask this partially because the cars can't uncouple on curved track, so this would make shunting operations a little bit more difficult........
Thanks,
Matthew


Hi Matthew,
Yes I think that is a real problem for the Marklin enthusiast.
I can think of so many ways that a curved station ticks all the boxes for a layout, but the newer Marklin coupler design makes it so impractical.
I have station platforms on a straight, and relegated shunting (switching) sidings with curves to fit the layout.
On the switching curves, uncoupling and coupling are impossible.

You could always combine straight and curve section on platforms, so if you need to uncouple or couple, the train is pushed back or pulled forward to the straight for those operations.
And that in itself can be prototypical.
The Marklin uncoupler tracks are in a straight section, and they are quite fun.
Even better if your loco has the uncoupling mechanism.

Kimball
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Offline Johnvr  
#6 Posted : 30 June 2017 09:17:16(UTC)
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Hello,

I have a curved station in my layout, and I am very pleased with the result.
Using R1, R2, R3, R4 (including slight 064 and 077 adjustment to get the spacing right)

I think it looks great and works well on the layout BigGrin BigGrin BigGrin
Signals at the end of the platform.

Regards,BigGrin
John

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Offline Alsterstreek  
#7 Posted : 30 June 2017 13:07:10(UTC)
Alsterstreek

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Curved stations were and are common:

Gummersbach, 1983
215-Gummersbach-1983.jpg
www.bahnen-wuppertal.de

Hamburg central station, 1989
HamburgHbf 1989.jpg
www.doku-des-alltags.de

I can even offer an image of an Austrian station (a "Haltepunkt" according to German definition as there are no turnouts) in a S-curve:
Semmering Hp-Wolfsbergkogel.jpg
Wolfsbergkogel (Semmering main line)

Alternatively, station tracks could be kept straight, while station throats are curved. Here the example of Guenzach in 2013:
Guenzach 2013.jpg
www.doku-des-alltags.de


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Offline Alsterstreek  
#8 Posted : 30 June 2017 13:09:52(UTC)
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Regarding (un)coupling on curved track sections:

Impossible with short couplers, but possible with RELEX couplers.

Regarding turnouts:

Even if station tracks were curved, straight turnouts could be used in station throats. And vice versa, curved turnouts could lead to straight station tracks.
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Online Danlake  
#9 Posted : 30 June 2017 13:15:39(UTC)
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Hi Mathhew,

Curved stations are very protypical and not many stations have completely straight and equal sized platforms.

It is possible with Marklin C and K track. With K track you can make beautiful curves with flex track and Marklin C track also have wide radius curves. If the curve is larger enough you can sneak in a uncoupler without looking to odd.

I think the main problem is space restrictions. You can cramp down more tracks and platforms with straight sections. Once you start doing curves it gets more complicated and take up more space. It's of course also more easy if you are just doing a station with end tracks as you don't need to worry about tracks lining up to a turnout in the other end. The other proble is that you will have to make customized platforms.

Brgds Lasse
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Offline Alsterstreek  
#10 Posted : 30 June 2017 13:20:38(UTC)
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And to take things to the extreme: Wuppertal-Ronsdorf.
Z-EB-X-Gleisplan-W-Ronsdorf-MP-900-845.jpg
:o)
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Offline CanadianKid  
#11 Posted : 30 June 2017 18:33:14(UTC)
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Thanks everyone for the responses,
I'm thankful for all this information I now have gained; hopefully I will be able to put some of this to practice today.
Hopefully there might be some results of my experimenting with SCARM by the end of the week, and if so, I will try to post a few screenshots or so of it.
Thanks,
Matthew
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Offline Alsterstreek  
#12 Posted : 30 June 2017 19:41:38(UTC)
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Until then various interpretations of curved station layouts in H0:

1785922.jpg
http://up.picr.de/1785922.jpg

duschwichtel_j1d3ux9.jpg
www.stummiforum.de

35CA47F-12100520121644.jpg
http://www.railroad24.de

gesamtbildb75d.png
www.stummiforum.de
Greetz - Ak
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Offline Alsterstreek  
#13 Posted : 30 June 2017 20:43:56(UTC)
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Or two curved stations on 100 x 160 cm?
1.png 2.png
www.moba-trickkiste.de
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Offline Goofy  
#14 Posted : 01 July 2017 09:31:01(UTC)
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Well...the station is not curved.
It´s just only platform.
I´m not really sure how much curved platforms are but they are not too narrow curved.
I recommended platforms curved at least same radii like R5 and higher.
Use flextrack.
It looks more realistic with higher curved platforms.
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Offline RayF  
#15 Posted : 01 July 2017 12:05:42(UTC)
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In general, in model form, curved platforms look best when used with short trains of four or six wheel coaches.

Bogie coaches, even when shortened in the model, tend to look odd when standing at a curved platform, and can even foul the edges of the platform unless the gap is ridiculously large.
Ray
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Offline petestra  
#16 Posted : 01 July 2017 14:57:04(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Go to Quoted Post
Until then various interpretations of curved station layouts in H0:

1785922.jpg
http://up.picr.de/1785922.jpg

duschwichtel_j1d3ux9.jpg
www.stummiforum.de

35CA47F-12100520121644.jpg
http://www.railroad24.de

gesamtbildb75d.png
www.stummiforum.de


I really like that second layout down, AK. A slight curve and still great for close coupler uncoupling.

Looking forward to seeing your plans, Matthew. Mind the gap! Cheers, Peter.
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Offline Minok  
#17 Posted : 13 May 2019 21:50:26(UTC)
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Bringing this back to life briefly to answer the initial question: is curved stations prototypical? Absolutely.

An fine case of "you build it how you need it to fit" is still visible in the main station of Ludwigshafen, Germany (yes the town where the BASF HQ is located)

It even has a highway bridge passing over its wye shape:
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Google Maps view

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Offline TEEWolf  
#18 Posted : 14 May 2019 01:29:40(UTC)
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Even Märklin demonstrate in its layouts curved stations.

https://www.maerklin.de/...M0618_111618_tt_NEU2.pdf

Even the station of the local railroad has a little curve.
CS 3 is a controller system from Märklin - not a central station.
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Online Jabez  
#19 Posted : 14 May 2019 21:43:47(UTC)
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I suppose the mainline station at York is one of the finest examples of a station on a curve.
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Offline JohnjeanB  
#20 Posted : 15 May 2019 00:18:17(UTC)
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Hi

I believe there is no question rail stations in curves are very prototypical and it adds a lot of charm in the landscape.
Only large radius curves should be used and yes for coupling / uncoupling in model trains, a straight line works much better.
In fact if you idea is to operate coupling decoupling I strongly suggest a straight line station. Coupling in curves simply does not work.
Even in straight lines I had to modify the Marklin close couplers to avoid the situation where the 2 buckes hit each other and raise so that both buckles land on the pre-decoupling "S"-shaped piece so that the coupling is not done.
Here is a little video on my work with coupling and uncoupling (automatically):

Cheers

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Offline H0  
#21 Posted : 15 May 2019 07:39:00(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: TEEWolf Go to Quoted Post
Even Märklin demonstrate in its layouts curved stations.
This is the prototype forum and links to fictitious Märklin layouts are off-topic IMHO.
Märklin use straight tracks on the platform with a curve in the middle - this looks odd and unprototypical.
For a prototypical look on the layout you will need flextrack, so C track is rather out of the game, unless you try R9 curves as a compromise.
But that's a discussion that does not belong here.

Regards
Tom
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Offline Minok  
#22 Posted : 15 May 2019 21:15:15(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post

For a prototypical look on the layout you will need flextrack, so C track is rather out of the game, unless you try R9 curves as a compromise.


I don't agree with that view - having curved platforms is prototypical, as evidenced by the many examples given; so that is settled.

Now how one implements a curved platform on a model rail layout, is dependent on the style and design choices and space of of the model railroader.
There isn't anything fundamentally more or less wrong, in my view, from using a very gentle K-flex-track run, vs using an R2 C-Track run. You work with the materials and space you choose or have available. All model railroads are not prototypical by definition, its just a matter of what compromises a builder wants to make for themselves.
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Offline Jimmy Thompson  
#23 Posted : 18 May 2019 17:42:04(UTC)
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And there is my favorite: Love

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Sweeping curves Cool

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Offline 1borna  
#24 Posted : 18 May 2019 21:10:56(UTC)
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Offline TEEWolf  
#25 Posted : 20 May 2019 21:59:19(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: TEEWolf Go to Quoted Post
Even Märklin demonstrate in its layouts curved stations.
This is the prototype forum and links to fictitious Märklin layouts are off-topic IMHO.
Märklin use straight tracks on the platform with a curve in the middle - this looks odd and unprototypical.
For a prototypical look on the layout you will need flextrack, so C track is rather out of the game, unless you try R9 curves as a compromise.
But that's a discussion that does not belong here.



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