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Offline garben  
#1 Posted : 31 March 2017 16:44:58(UTC)
garben

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Please see diagram. I'd like to use the method of having a power and ground BUS and supplying to layout via feeder wires. Do I basically have the right idea/connections? Also, if anyone has any tips or things to look out for I would appreciate your input. Thanks. Marklin Wire Diagram.pdf (104kb) downloaded 252 time(s).





Marklin Wire Diagram.pdf (104kb) downloaded 252 time(s).

Offline RayF  
#2 Posted : 31 March 2017 20:36:17(UTC)
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Looks correct to me. The "ring main" type of power distribution ensures that you get an equal level of power all over your layout. You can insert feeds to the track every 1 - 1.5 metres to minimise voltage drop.

The beer also looks like a good idea...BigGrin
Ray
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Offline Minok  
#3 Posted : 31 March 2017 22:47:11(UTC)
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That looks right to me, the loop ensures you get the lowest resistance path to any feeder. As Ray indicated, take feeders every once in a while.

For the taps on the bus, I'd use screw terminal strips rather than soldering as its more configurable and avoids the issues of soldering above your head. Another option is the Wago friction/clap connectors.

I'm only skeptical about the Beer... as I don't know what your using for that part of the solution. I'm reminded of the Monty Python "Bruces" sketch where they describe American beer as being very much like "making love in a canoe". BigGrin
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Offline dickinsonj  
#4 Posted : 01 April 2017 01:40:27(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Minok Go to Quoted Post

I'm only skeptical about the Beer... as I don't know what your using for that part of the solution. I'm reminded of the Monty Python "Bruces" sketch where they describe American beer as being very much like "making love in a canoe". BigGrin

You live in the Pacific Northwest and are cracking on American Beer?

If you drink that American mass market stuff you get what you deserve. But you are surrounded by literally dozens and dozens of the best craft brewers in the world. A virtual beer paradise IMO.
Regards,
Jim

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So many trains and so little time.
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Offline DaleSchultz  
#5 Posted : 03 April 2017 03:46:06(UTC)
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looks right. this is how I suggest you connect the track feeder wires to the bus wires.
http://layout.mixmox.com/1/20020224Wiretaps

bus wires should be insulated and not bare.
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#6 Posted : 03 April 2017 06:41:57(UTC)
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Does the issue of problems being caused with the digital signal when using a bus loop still apply?

Maybe a star arrangement is better?
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Offline dickinsonj  
#7 Posted : 03 April 2017 14:38:29(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post
Does the issue of problems being caused with the digital signal when using a bus loop still apply?

Maybe a star arrangement is better?

I assume that this has been discussed before but I have not yet found any threads on this topic.

I have been wondering if cutting in the signal at multiple locations in a circuit might cause problems with the digital signal. The only advice that I have seen from Märklin is to have a bus with connections to the track every 1-2 meters, but nothing about the architecture of the bus beyond that. It would be great to nail down the specifics before possibly constructing a power bus in the wrong configuration.
Regards,
Jim

I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains!
So many trains and so little time.
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Offline DaleSchultz  
#8 Posted : 03 April 2017 15:40:22(UTC)
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if the track itself is a loop, worrying about the bus being a loop is moot.
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Offline Minok  
#9 Posted : 03 April 2017 20:32:19(UTC)
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Its a conceptual complication to think of the idea as a big loop as being a signal conducting problem, on the scale we are dealing with.

If you lay out the power/signal bus in a big loop on your layout, then take the point in the middle of that loop and consider that as the 'far endpoint', and where the controller feeds the power/signal in as the 'near endpoint', and then just pull the far endpoint away from the near endpoint, until the big loop just becomes two straight runs that are parallel from the near to the far endpoint. That is exactly the same electrical configuration (two long parallel wires) as the same run arranged as a big loop, as far as picking up power/signal from the wire.

Yes, in a theoretical sense, for a point that is NOT on the midpoint from the control injection (trackbox/central station) injection point, it can see the digital signal arrive first on the shorter path, then again on the longer path around the loop. This is the traditional multi path problem. However, that loop would have to be a LOT larger for that to cause a problem (or the frequencies have to be a lot higher than the 8-40kHz space we are in) I think.
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