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Donb		#1 Posted : 26 October 2016 01:44:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/04/2013(UTC) Posts: 289 Location: Fraser Valley		Hi, I have recently unboxed my collection and set up a temp layout, all was going well untill I upgraded to the new Mobile Station, then my 3734 Re 4/4 started running roughly, jerky at slow speed, and excessively noisy. It has been oiled (wheels and gears) and cleaned (wheels and pickup), but alas still runs roughly. It was running fine with the older mobile station controller. All my other locos are running fine. I am sure it has nothing to do with the new controller, any suggestions on how to fix this problem? I am new to servicing locos. Not sure what needs to be looked at. Cheers all Don
		Best Regards, Don ___________________________________________________________________________________ CS3, ( Commander is now retired) , C track and Z scale, mostly DB/DR and SBB, SJ
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H0		#2 Posted : 26 October 2016 08:13:16(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,262 Location: DE-NW		Hi! Originally Posted by: Donb I am sure it has nothing to do with the new controller, any suggestions on how to fix this problem? Try the old controller to be sure about this. The controller could make a difference.
		Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS
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RayF		#3 Posted : 26 October 2016 08:47:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,839 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		It sounds like the old DCM motor quirk. Did you apply a drop of oil to the end bearing on the brush plate? Apply one small drop only, otherwise the oil gets into the brushes and commutator and really messes things up. If you have over-oiled the motor you'll have to disassemble it and give the brush plate and commutator a good clean to remove the oil.
		Ray Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
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Donb		#4 Posted : 26 October 2016 22:14:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/04/2013(UTC) Posts: 289 Location: Fraser Valley		Whats the secret to getting the motor and wheel assembly to release from the chassis? The lower brush plate screw is blocked by the chassis. Thanks for the help! Don
		Best Regards, Don ___________________________________________________________________________________ CS3, ( Commander is now retired) , C track and Z scale, mostly DB/DR and SBB, SJ
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RayF		#5 Posted : 26 October 2016 23:12:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,839 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Originally Posted by: Donb Whats the secret to getting the motor and wheel assembly to release from the chassis? The lower brush plate screw is blocked by the chassis. Thanks for the help! Don You have to drop the bogie out of the chassis. Release the screw under the bogie which holds a keeper plate. You will also need to release the coupling screw to get the plastic bogie side-frames off. After that you should be able to jiggle the motor bogie free of the chassis.
		Ray Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
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Donb		#6 Posted : 27 October 2016 05:05:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/04/2013(UTC) Posts: 289 Location: Fraser Valley		Per Tom's recommendation, I reconnected the 60652 Mobile Station and indeed the 3734 runs smoothly again. With the 60657 Mobile Station connected, the 3734 runs roughly in the slow speed range, up to about one quarter of the speed range. Above that and it smooths out. The decoder in this particular loco does not seem to be communicating properly with the new MS. As I have mentioned, all my other locos are running fine with the new MS. Strange. Any thoughts about this? Greetings from Western Canada! Don
		Best Regards, Don ___________________________________________________________________________________ CS3, ( Commander is now retired) , C track and Z scale, mostly DB/DR and SBB, SJ
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mike c		#7 Posted : 27 October 2016 06:46:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 7,892 Location: Montreal, QC		The 3734 has an older decoder that only understands Marklin Motorola digital format. You might consider upgrading the decoder to one of the more recent ones that understands mfx, dcc and other systems. Make sure that when you program the locomotive into your MS, that it is clearly registered as a MM (Motorola) locomotive. Regards Mike C
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H0		#8 Posted : 27 October 2016 08:20:52(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,262 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: Donb Per Tom's recommendation, I reconnected the 60652 Mobile Station and indeed the 3734 runs smoothly again. So the different behaviour can be attributed to the different track outputs of those two controllers. I don't know whether this depends on different output voltages or on different output formats. The 60652 was developed by ESU. Them guys know their trade. The 60657 was developed by Märklin (or by an unknown company on behalf of Märklin). The decoder is an early Märklin decoder. Ignore the problems and drive faster. Or replace the decoder. Or replace the controller.
		Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS
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Donb		#9 Posted : 27 October 2016 18:24:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/04/2013(UTC) Posts: 289 Location: Fraser Valley		OK thanks everyone for your assistance. Down the road I'll probably upgrade the decoder. Don
		Best Regards, Don ___________________________________________________________________________________ CS3, ( Commander is now retired) , C track and Z scale, mostly DB/DR and SBB, SJ
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RayF		#10 Posted : 27 October 2016 19:34:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,839 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Its news to me that the 6090 decoders might run worse with an MS2. I've never heard that this is an issue. I went from the Delta control 4F to the 6021, and then jumped to the MS2, so I never experienced the MS1. I can't remember having noticed a drop in performance on any loco after the change to MS2, but it's possible I may have missed it as I have relatively few of the 6090 decoders compared to other types. Has anyone else noticed this issue?
		Ray Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
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Donb		#11 Posted : 28 October 2016 01:41:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/04/2013(UTC) Posts: 289 Location: Fraser Valley		Hi all, I now have a new problem with this loco. I cleaned the motor and it ran much quieter, for some reason, but still roughly at slow speeds. Then, after about 5 mins of running, it suddenly went to full speed. I cut the power and took the body off to make sure i hadnt upset some wiring, but it looked fine. I restarted it and it went to full speed as soon as track power was applied. I checked the ms2 to make sure the throttle was set to zero, and it was. I then reconnected the ms1 and same thing happened, full speed as soon as track power applied. So, i now think the decoder is faulty.
		Best Regards, Don ___________________________________________________________________________________ CS3, ( Commander is now retired) , C track and Z scale, mostly DB/DR and SBB, SJ
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river6109		#12 Posted : 28 October 2016 02:34:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,715 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square		Make sure you haven't changed the decoder number John
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Donb		#13 Posted : 29 October 2016 01:06:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/04/2013(UTC) Posts: 289 Location: Fraser Valley		Originally Posted by: river6109 Make sure you haven't changed the decoder number John Thanks John. I checked the decoder dip switches, no changes. I also re-entered the loco in the loco list of the MS2, and same thing, full speed ahead! I'll get my dealer to look at it. I am unfamiliar with replacing decoders, wouldn't know which one to get that would fit in place. Don
		Best Regards, Don ___________________________________________________________________________________ CS3, ( Commander is now retired) , C track and Z scale, mostly DB/DR and SBB, SJ
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Loco24		#14 Posted : 29 October 2016 02:02:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/09/2013(UTC) Posts: 11 Location: Maryland		Perhaps the loco is running in analog mode? Loco24
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river6109		#15 Posted : 29 October 2016 09:03:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,715 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square		What decoder number have you got ? Most decoders will fit
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RayF		#16 Posted : 29 October 2016 13:34:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,839 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		The Marklin Re4/4 II locos like the 3734 do not have standard decoders. The decoder is part of a larger board with all the electronics on it. The easiest way to change the decoder I think is to buy the Luessi board with a decoder socket so that you can then use any decoder of your choice. Luessi board for 8 pin decoders: http://luessi.ch/shop/ca..._34&products_id=2302 Luessi board for 21 pin decoders: http://luessi.ch/shop/ca...h=2&products_id=2354 Hope this helps.
		Ray Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
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dickinsonj		#17 Posted : 29 October 2016 15:17:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/12/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,682 Location: Crozet, Virginia		Originally Posted by: RayF The Marklin Re4/4 II locos like the 3734 do not have standard decoders. The decoder is part of a larger board with all the electronics on it. The easiest way to change the decoder I think is to buy the Luessi board with a decoder socket so that you can then use any decoder of your choice. I agree with Ray and would second his recommendation. I upgraded one of my locos using a Luessi board and it made for a very clean and easy decoder swap.
		Regards, Jim I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains! So many trains and so little time.
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Donb		#18 Posted : 29 April 2017 17:48:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/04/2013(UTC) Posts: 289 Location: Fraser Valley		I received the 8016mtc Luessi board in the mail this week. I installed it with a 60972 decoder, and the loco works better than ever now! Thanks to all for the help with this. I have one headlight burned out, ill try to source a new headlight board thru M I guess. Cheers!
		Best Regards, Don ___________________________________________________________________________________ CS3, ( Commander is now retired) , C track and Z scale, mostly DB/DR and SBB, SJ
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mike c		#19 Posted : 29 April 2017 21:53:22(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 7,892 Location: Montreal, QC		Don, if you decide to change the LED panel, if you order one from one of the more recent models, you can replace the original yellow LEDs with one that has bright white LEDs, red taillights and long distance headlights, like the 37347/37348/37349/37359. You will probably have to add some wiring to connect the additional LEDs to the decoder. Regards Mike C
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5HorizonsRR		#20 Posted : 30 April 2017 12:08:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/12/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,865 Location: CA, USA		Originally Posted by: RayF The Marklin Re4/4 II locos like the 3734 do not have standard decoders. The decoder is part of a larger board with all the electronics on it. The easiest way to change the decoder I think is to buy the Luessi board with a decoder socket so that you can then use any decoder of your choice. Luessi board for 8 pin decoders: http://luessi.ch/shop/ca..._34&products_id=2302 Luessi board for 21 pin decoders: http://luessi.ch/shop/ca...h=2&products_id=2354 Hope this helps. EXCELLENT tip! DO these boards accommodate the swiss lighting changeover as well?
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mmervine		#21 Posted : 30 April 2017 12:42:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 30/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,884 Location: Keene, NH		John-yes, they do!
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Donb		#22 Posted : 01 May 2017 20:13:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/04/2013(UTC) Posts: 289 Location: Fraser Valley		Installed 8016mtc Luessi board in my 3734 Re 4/4 II . The decoder plugs into the underside, so not visible in this photo. Pretty simple to do, the wires go to the same locations on the new board.
		Best Regards, Don ___________________________________________________________________________________ CS3, ( Commander is now retired) , C track and Z scale, mostly DB/DR and SBB, SJ
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