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Offline Token  
#1 Posted : 18 June 2016 02:27:44(UTC)
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Hi all,

in that most excellent movie, I have been trying to identify what class the engine (pictured) is. Does anyone know?

Movie The Train.jpg

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Offline analogmike  
#2 Posted : 18 June 2016 03:53:35(UTC)
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I found this pic of a BR 86. It's close but hard to count the wheels accurately from the photo of the movie lok. For all we know Hollywood may have cobbled this one up out of plywood on top of a french engine.

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Offline danmarklinman  
#3 Posted : 18 June 2016 09:25:25(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Token Go to Quoted Post
Hi all,

in that most excellent movie, I have been trying to identify what class the engine (pictured) is. Does anyone know?

Movie The Train.jpg

Regards,

Michael.


Hi, I can't be sure. But I think it was an actual war lok? I'm sure as French steam was being replaced with diesel in France, and so stem sheds were being shut down. If you take a close look at some of the shots were bombs were dropping. There's a couple of SNCF 141r locos in the background? There were at that time still Germany military equipment left in dumps in France. About 20 years ago a disassembled German rail gun was discovered in a Military training area in France. It's know mounted on tracks on the French coast near Calais.
So I think they just destroyed the war lok.
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Offline petestra  
#4 Posted : 18 June 2016 15:34:48(UTC)
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My favorite WWII film. I saw the film for my 12th birthday in March 1965. Wonderful photography. Peter Smile
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Offline steventrain  
#5 Posted : 19 June 2016 12:24:37(UTC)
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I think it is 4-6-0 Loco wheels.

have a look at few minutes film. It was destroy by bombers.



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Offline NS1200  
#6 Posted : 19 June 2016 12:25:16(UTC)
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And a terrific Burt Lancaster!

About all actors in this movie were top class!

I like the scene in the end where retreating German troops are stopped by the commanding officer of the train,demanding the use of their vehicles.
The officer quoted to say "I do not care about your men".
The brave war beaten soldiers simply disregarding him.

I always wondered why you could not see any bombs fall on the shunting yard.
Of course it is much easier for a movie director to create explosions on the ground rather than using costly airplanes.
Same thing could be seen in The Battle of Britain,explosions on the RAF airfield but no falling bombs......

As Mikey says,the armoured locomotive could be a Hollywood fantasy.

The steamer escaping from the yard is clearly a converted German P8 (later series 38).
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Offline analogmike  
#7 Posted : 20 June 2016 03:17:18(UTC)
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As the story goes, The french rail road needed to re-gauge the track. Frankenheimer approached them and said he could do it with TNT. They said yes and the rest is history.
Also, Burt Lancaster actually learned how to operate a steam engine so everything he does in the film is real.

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Poppa Buel needed to go to work on some other movie so they changed the script to have him shot.

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Offline Token  
#8 Posted : 21 June 2016 00:51:06(UTC)
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"As Mikey says, the armoured locomotive could be a Hollywood fantasy."

The armoured train (including locomotive) was very much real, if not a flawed relic of WWI thinking as shown by the attached German newsreel;

german armored train 240p (Video Only).mp4 (3,338kb) downloaded 30 time(s).
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Offline NS1200  
#9 Posted : 21 June 2016 07:45:52(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Token Go to Quoted Post
"As Mikey says, the armoured locomotive could be a Hollywood fantasy."

The armoured train (including locomotive) was very much real, if not a flawed relic of WWI thinking as shown by the attached German newsreel;

german armored train 240p (Video Only).mp4 (3,338kb) downloaded 30 time(s).


I tried to say that the locomotivetype in the movie could be fantasy,i did not say that armoured trains were fantasy in WW2.
You asked about the locomotivetype which we are trying to identify on this forum.
The socalled armoured plating could be Hollywood plywood.
Underneath there is a real locomotive.

Edited by user 21 June 2016 14:47:44(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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Offline danmarklinman  
#10 Posted : 21 June 2016 14:18:41(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: analogmike Go to Quoted Post
As the story goes, The french rail road needed to re-gauge the track. Frankenheimer approached them and said he could do it with TNT. They said yes and the rest is history.
Also, Burt Lancaster actually learned how to operate a steam engine so everything he does in the film is real.

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Poppa Buel needed to go to work on some other movie so they changed the script to have him shot.

Michel_Simon_in_The_Train_(1964)_trailer.jpg

HI I Dought very much i needed re gauging?? It was standard gauge already. 4 foot eight and half as all but vey few are the same as Germany and the rest of europe. More like re gaugeing to allow electrificatiion??
SNCF electrified most of the Northern rail lines in the 1950s/60s French steam also ended quite late as well. with many British rail fans going to France to see steam locos there, as steam ended in the uk in 1967/68.
Most of the filming was done near Paris and Metz in North Eastern France. heres the actual route- : Paris, Vaires, Rive-Reine, Montmirail, Chalon-S-Marne, St Menehould, Verdun, Metz, Pont-a-Mousson, Sorcy (Level Crossing), Commercy, Vitry Le Francois, Rive-Reine.
See info and locations of the film - https://en.wikipedia.org...m)#Historical_background
and types of locomotives?
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Offline NS1200  
#11 Posted : 21 June 2016 15:01:14(UTC)
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Whilst looking for the locomotive I found this one,Micrometakit number 02400H:

http://www.reynaulds.com/micrometakit/mmk0052.html

Nice,but not for me,better spend the money on some nice Marklin locomotives still on the wishlist.

The loco in the movie could also be a series 57 steamer,there have been plastic kits of this loco,please google on BR57 Panzerzug and you find them.

Paul
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