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Offline johnmarklin  
#1 Posted : 20 October 2015 18:57:16(UTC)
johnmarklin

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Fellow Marklin Users,

I have been given a Marklin 3047 by a friend. The locomotive had been gutted (motor and reversing unit) before it came into my friend's possession. He has asked me if I would help him to rebuild it. As there are no parts listed on the Marklin website we were considering a digital conversion might be the route to follow. Does anyone have experience of doing this conversion and what components/kits were used?

Thank you in anticipation of your assistance.

John
Offline tfk  
#2 Posted : 20 October 2015 20:37:34(UTC)
tfk

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Hi John,

Is this the one?
http://www.maerklin.de/s...1&artikelnummer=3047

First you have to check what type of motor was used. See this page for reference:
http://www.ajckids.com/TRAINS/MAIN.ASP?nr=92

Older types often have a Large Flat Commutator Motor (LFCM), later models have the Drum Commutator Motor (DCM). If the above is the one you got then it's the LFCM.

Both M and ESU have conversion kits for it. But since your locomotive's motor has been removed I recommend using one from M -part 60944- since that one comes with all the parts you need to rebuild a motor.

See this ebay item (not mine) for a nice reference image. I used the keywords "marklin lfcm kit" as search query.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/...:mnd9UcrMTBYXjHjTVj1cs9A

That's the motor part.

For a decoder I would choose a ESU LokPilot 4.0 or a LokSound 4.0 since those combine perfectly with the 5 pole armature based motors out of the conversion kits. A M4 version is the decoder which speaks 'Marklin' the others are DCC. I would go for a LokPilot first because these are much cheaper and the loss won't be so great when you blow one up. :)

Installing is an interesting learning experience. The reversing unit is the simplest because that one isn't needed any more. There is some soldering involved but the instructions included with the ESU kits are clear. Just follow the diagrams and all should be well.

Do remember that M and ESU use a different colour schemes. So make sure you have everything drawn out before picking up the soldering iron.

Hope this helps.

TFK
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Offline johnmarklin  
#3 Posted : 20 October 2015 23:36:14(UTC)
johnmarklin

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Thank you for your reply. The locomotive is one of the earlier models and has an LCFM armature fitted. There is however another complication. The previous owner drilled out the bearing in the chassis block and fitted a ball race. Unfortunately he discarded the motor shield.

I will be visiting Eurospoor in Utrecht again this year. I will add the conversion kit to my list of spare parts that I hope to buy. hopefully I will also find a replacement motor shield.

John
Offline tfk  
#4 Posted : 20 October 2015 23:51:48(UTC)
tfk

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You mean he custom fitted a ball bearing in the metal part of the engine housing? Is it still there or did he remove the mini ball bearing leaving you with the hole?

It's a nice addition when you can refit the loco with those. It makes the locomotive run better.

This is a page I found on the matter:
http://www.stayathome.ch/kugellager.htm

Conrad has them: https://www.conrad.nl/nl...m-2-mm-25-mm-222012.html

Since you already have a hole drilled in the metal housing, the hardest part of that job has been done for you. It's advisable to measure the hole to make sure the sizes match up.

Edit: I just read on that kugellager page that it was a metal bushing that was pushed out to make room for the ball bearing. So there is a possibility that it was not drilled... If that is the case sourcing a replacement metal bushing could be the best alternative for you. However, I can't find this bushing on the explosion diagram of you loco. So a check would be in order here.

The Märklin set which I previously mentioned has various plastic motor shields. So I think the loco is still repairable.

Edit2: if you have some photo's of the chassis, maybe we can see some more options.

Edit3: When you do visit Holland (your very welcome, don't forget to bring your wooden shoes) also bring the chassis with you. It's much less complicated for the people over there to assess the problem when the can see the chassis. Maybe even test fits are possible.

Cheers!
TFK
TFK
Offline river6109  
#5 Posted : 21 October 2015 01:23:53(UTC)
river6109

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TFK, John, these locos had no plastic or brass bush, so who ever had the loco before had to drill a hole, if the hole wasn't drilled exactly you can more or less throw the chassis away. I wouldn't buy an ESU perm, magnet but rather go for the conversion kit 60944 it runs much smoother at lower speed. when buying a 5 pole conversion kit motor the motor shield is included.

the only concern I have is if you go ahead and buy the conversion kit and the hole which was drilled beforehand wasn't drilled in the correct spot you've wasted your money on a conversion kit. before outlaying any money I would ask your friend if he can get in contact with the person who sold it to him and find out whether the loco was running before.
I've attempted one loco BR 86 and inserted a 6mm ball bearing with minimal tools and just a drill I almost got away with it but in the end it didn't work out and bought a new frame on ebay.

you haven't got many options to find out if this previous conversion ever worked satisfactorily, you can't use the original armature, you can't use a 3 pole armature because the diameter is 2mm and not 1.5mm at the back

the only thing I could suggest is: find another original motor shield and try it if the wheels or armature freely moving.

regards.,

John

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Offline johnmarklin  
#6 Posted : 21 October 2015 09:28:55(UTC)
johnmarklin

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Thank you both for your replies.

Unfortunately the person who did the modification has since died and we have no way of determining if the modification ever worked. The conversion kit will not go astray as I have a few 3047s awaiting conversion as well as 6 other Marklin locomotives with incomplete conversions that came from the same source.

Best wishes

John
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Offline tfk  
#7 Posted : 21 October 2015 20:05:45(UTC)
tfk

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@John2: thanks, that very useful information.

@John1: good to know that you have alternative uses for a conversion kit. I agree with John2, I like the original Märklin kits better too. I can only advice to bring the chassis to Utrecht. Let others take a look at it. Maybe good to take a copy of that explosion diagram with you too. At least you know that the hole(s) were drilled. If it were my locomotive then I would see it as a proof of concept to see whether I could make the ball bearing option work. It's a good way to learn without the risk of destroying a locomotive that is in mint condition.

Cheers!
TFK
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Offline Panzerwagon  
#8 Posted : 22 October 2015 03:41:01(UTC)
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If the drilled hole for the bearing is indeed off-center, it might be possible to salvage the old chassis. Simply press-in a solid brass plug and drill a new hole for the anker at the correct location. Of course, this would require good precision and decent machinist skills/tools...

Before deciding on a course of action, I would suggest that you assess all aspects of the chassis (e.g. gear movement), and if there is any excessive wear elsewhere.

Regards,
PW
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Offline johnmarklin  
#9 Posted : 26 October 2015 16:46:30(UTC)
johnmarklin

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thank you all for your replies. I did attend Eurospoor in Utrecht and purchased an old 3047 for spares. I will use the chassis to rebuild my friend's locomotive and re-visit the bearing issue when I have more time to experiment.
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