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Offline clapcott  
#1 Posted : 27 April 2015 01:26:00(UTC)
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The 764xx Light signals , as announced in 2013, are starting to ship
In all outward appearances they appear identical to the 763xx signals of a decade ago.
- no consideration for left hand running orientation
- fixed length of cable (length not documented anywhere)

Addressing however aligns with more recent devices - i.e. DIP switch with CV override possible
Notes:
- For 3 and 4 aspect signals the 2nd address is fixed at the next consecutive address
- The Distant signal address can only be set with CVs - A cryptic reference is made to the use of MM whereby The address for the distant signal located on the mast, the next address on the 76495, on the 76496 and 76497 the address after the next address, is assigned automatically. This address cannot be changed This does not seem to allow a simple oval with (e.g.) 3 blocks and the last distance masthead cannot be set as the first home ??

Distance signal 76480/1 initially shipping (27Apr) with no 7649x Home signals available- which is a bit surprising as, from pg8, ...
a) This signal is designed for installation on H0 digital model railroad layouts in conjunction with the 76491, 76493, 76494, 76495, 76496, and 76497 signals
- none of these have shipped yet
b) These distant signals cannot be used together with the 76371/76372/76383/76391/76393/76394 signals.
- so much for any sort of backward compatibility


76480/1 Distance Signals Manual available online - version 243171/0215/Ha1Pw
Code:
http://medienpdb.maerklin.de/product_files/1/pdf/76480_betrieb.pdf

Any characteristic configuration is done on the associated home signal with the following capabilities noted
(Some reference to CV40 but you have to refer to the home signal manual for what it actually does)
CV52 Distant Signal Switching duration LED on/off
- 0 = 0 seconds
- 1 = 0.175 seconds
- 2 = 0.35 seconds
- 3 = 0.5 seconds
CV54 Distance Signal Cross fading behavior
- 0 = simultaneously
- 1 = one after the other
- 2 = one after the other 0.1 sec. pause
- 3 = one after the other 0.5 sec. pause

Other technical specs about power and protocol are a bit un-needed as both these are covered off by the fact that the Distance Signal may only be connected to a companion home signal decoder. The protocol reference continues to allude to MFX capability as being available with CS2 v4.0 in 2Q15 but without any suggestion of what this means.

76491/3/4 Home Signals Manual available online - version 243357/0215/Ha2Pw
Code:
http://medienpdb.maerklin.de/product_files/1/pdf/76493_betrieb.pdf

also includes 76471/2 Shunting signals

NOTE : manual updated to 243357/0415 (see later post of 31May2015)

76495/6/7 Home & Distance Signals Manual available online - version 243413/0315/Ha1Pw
Code:
http://medienpdb.maerklin.de/product_files/1/pdf/76495_betrieb.pdf


CV40 Meaning Lighting 0 - 15 (15) 0 light off
- Dimming 0-15 : whereby 15 = 100% brightness
CV48 Home Signal Switching duration LED on/off
- 0 = 0 seconds
- 1 = 0.175 seconds
- 2 = 0.35 seconds
- 3 = 0.5 seconds
CV50 Home Signal Cross fading behavior
- 0 = simultaneously
- 1 = one after the other
- 2 = one after the other 0.1 sec. pause
- 3 = one after the other 0.5 sec. pause

CV45 appears to reflect the actual masthead of the specific product and cannot (Should not) be changed)
CV45 Signal Type Home signal:
- 2 = 76495 Block signal
- 3 = 76497 Entry signal
- 4 = 76496 Exit signal

On the Home&Distance Signal - CV 46 defines what type of signal the DOWNSTREAM home signal is
CV46 Signal Type Distant Signal belongs to
- 2 = Block signal
- 3 = Entry signal
- 4 = Exit signal

Edited by user 31 May 2015 11:41:10(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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Offline clapcott  
#2 Posted : 09 May 2015 01:46:53(UTC)
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The Recent CS2 update (actually dated 17.03.2015) includes 2 template files for the configuration of the new signals

/70xxx_dcc_Formsignale.cs2
/764xx_dcc_Lichtsignale.cs2

It must be understood that these CVs represent a superset of the features in the product range. not all products can make use of the CVs documented
You can, of course, create and save your own templates with more specific meaning (including translation of the description)

Probably not too important but,
... the default value for CV33 = "number of subaddresses" is shown as = 4
... the default value for CV40 = "brightness light" = 8 - this is correct as observed but is different from the manual

NOTE: for the 764xx CVs, there is a difference in the CV documented for the "Cross fading behavior Distant Signal". In the manual it is CV54 in the CS2s template it is 53
Peter
Offline Robert Davies  
#3 Posted : 10 May 2015 02:10:48(UTC)
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Thank you, Peter, for this detailed summary.

Had I not invested heavily in Viessmann signals, I might have been tempted by these but a quick run run-through of the manuals suggests that even with all this sophistication and the opportunities it provides, there is still a gap in the functionality provided. Firstly the manuals give no clue as to how to connect an Entry signal (76496) to several different Exit signals (76494 or 76497) at the same station, which is an obvious requirement, and even if this is possible there does not seem to be a way to make certain that the distant signal part of the Entry signal knows which Exit signal it is connected to and therefore shows the correct aspect.

Incidentally, the drawing on Page 5 of the 76471/76472/76491/76493/76494 manual is wrong as they have got the profiles of the signals mixed up on the different rows. (They have shown the same information in a different way on the 76495/76496/76497 book and got it right on that one!)
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#4 Posted : 11 May 2015 02:29:27(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Robert Davies Go to Quoted Post
..... the manuals give no clue as to how to connect an Entry signal (76496) to several different Exit signals (76494 or 76497) at the same station, which is an obvious requirement, and even if this is possible there does not seem to be a way to make certain that the distant signal part of the Entry signal knows which Exit signal it is connected to and therefore shows the correct aspect.


Sometimes its fun to work out solutions for ones self

I am aware that this sort of function has been implemented in product hardware, however it is usually clunky to setup and most only work for 2 home signals (i.e. uses the state of the throat point/turnout to determine which exit signal to mimic)

To best cover this off, it needs to be done a the next level up, and the CS2 with its Memory/Routes function is close to being able to do this.

If Marklin enhance the existing conditional statements, that may currently be used with sensors when configuring a Memory sequence, to also be able to monitor an accessory(turnout) address then that would be an easy win (note: this can be done now if you use a relay(k84) connected to a S88 to show the state of the point/turnout.

The other function (or function extension) that is needed, is the ability to allow the accessory(signal) button on the keyboard or layout diagram to trigger a memory sequence. Thus providing an Exit signal change to "conditionally" update the state of the upstream Distance signal.
(note: as above, this can be achieved currently if you invest in a relay (maybe use the auxiliary contacts on the signal) and a pair of S88 sensor ports.)


Until these functions are available, you can use a lite PC based utility to track this sort of thing and perform the conditional logic.
Peter
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#5 Posted : 31 May 2015 11:35:54(UTC)
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Just a FYI highlight that Marklin have updated the manual or the 76480/1,76491/3/4

While there is a single manual for all 5 products they are linked on the Publications database as ....
... 76471_betrieb.pdf
... 76472_betrieb.pdf
... 76491_betrieb.pdf
... 76493_betrieb.pdf
... 76494_betrieb.pdf

At the time of posting the 76493_betrieb.pdf is still linking to an old version = 243357/0215/Ha2Pw

On face value the .pdf downloads appears simply to be the appendage of the manual in the alternate languages E/I/S/DK , to the origninal in D/G/USA/F/NL so the .pdf expands from 40 pages to 80 pages.

On closer analysis there is actually a change (243357/0415) in the schematic on page 37 relating to the colour coding of the wires in the cable used for the 72441/2. The Red/Brown and Red/Green have changed.
The positional relationship in the plug has NOT changed so I can only conclude that the manufacturing of the cable from the factory was a stuff up , and it was cheaper to push out a new manual.

I cannot think why anyone would use the 72441/2 with these signals, but if you do - be aware that a bit of extra attention is needed.
Peter
Offline Goofy  
#6 Posted : 02 June 2015 10:13:39(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: clapcott Go to Quoted Post


NOTE: for the 764xx CVs, there is a difference in the CV documented for the "Cross fading behavior Distant Signal". In the manual it is CV54 in the CS2s template it is 53


Probably will this template change to correct CV54 after new version by Märklin.
Just in case for safety after upgrade...check it!
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Offline sjlauritsen  
#7 Posted : 02 June 2015 12:03:35(UTC)
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I cannot think why anyone would use the 72441/2 with these signals...

Why not?
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#8 Posted : 07 June 2015 18:12:34(UTC)
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The manual announces version 4.0 for the CS2 with support for mfx signals for Q2/2015.
According to a post on Stummi's Forum the update is now expected in September.
http://www.stummiforum.d...c.php?p=1398977#p1398977

It seems that MM 03/15 reported that version 3.9 was released in April 2015. Software development always takes longer than expected.
Regards
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Offline clapcott  
#9 Posted : 07 June 2015 23:11:22(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
The manual announces version 4.0 for the CS2 with support for mfx signals for Q2/2015.


Tom,
If I may be a little pedantic - the 764xx (and 70xxx semaphore) signals, which people appear to have adopted the term "mfx signals" for, are quite capable of operating with a CS2 in either MM or DCC mode. Last months CS2 update even offered a CV template in support of them.

What the statement that accompanies these new signals (separate piece of paper) actually says is ...
"The mfx functions on the signal cannot be used until Update 4.0 ...."

I have yet to hear any information at all about what these "mfx functions" are or how they provide any benefit to the layout modeler
Peter
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#10 Posted : 08 June 2015 01:11:25(UTC)
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I was under the impression that these new 764** signals can be used with the MS II as well as CS II? Thanks,Peter Confused
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#11 Posted : 08 June 2015 02:12:11(UTC)
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I was under the impression that these new 764** signals can be used with the MS II as well as CS II ...

That is quite correct.

They may also be used and configured by a CS1, 602x or any non Marklin Controller that supports either DCC or Marklin Motorola formats (Accessories).

They can also be controlled (but not configured) without a digital controller (but don't mention it too loud or you may start a trend)


Peter
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#12 Posted : 08 June 2015 08:26:08(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
The manual announces version 4.0 for the CS2 with support for mfx signals for Q2/2015.


Tom,
If I may be a little pedantic - the 764xx (and 70xxx semaphore) signals, which people appear to have adopted the term "mfx signals" for, are quite capable of operating with a CS2 in either MM or DCC mode. Last months CS2 update even offered a CV template in support of them.
Yep, the new signals support mfx, DCC, and MM. But the CS2 so far only supports MM signals and DCC signals, but no mfx signals. I am curious which advantages mfx will bring for signal. We should know by Q4/2015 or so.

I'm looking forward to threads like "My signal works with MS2 but won't register with CS2" and such. LOL
Regards
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Offline petestra  
#13 Posted : 08 June 2015 15:44:29(UTC)
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I've got two 70412 and one 76472 coming probably in a few weeks. I will let you all know how it goes. I am planning to use them with the MS II.

Cheers and thanks for all your inputs. Peter Cool
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#14 Posted : 17 July 2015 21:27:11(UTC)
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CS2 update 4.0.1 in few days if you have mfx signals.

Quote:


Carlos R. Madrigal wrote on facebook.

New update for the CS's 60213-215:

In a few days, we will make the newest update Version 4.0.1 available on our Internet server. The main difference compared to the earlier software versions is in the support of mfx registration such as the new semaphore/target signals (70391, 70411, etc.) or the new 764xx series color light signals.
The actual registration process can be activated in the configuration mode for the Keyboard. The system then searches for mfx solenoid items that are still not set up. Ordinarily, the model railroader decides himself which pair of buttons and which data format are to be used and has already assigned this by setting the appropriate address with the 10 coding switches on the signal. The system checks to make sure that this address is available and suggests an alternative if necessary. At this point, the operator can select any other address on his own. The arrangement of the buttons appropriate for the signal is automatically selected by the system as is appropriate for the type of signal being used.
Setting up signals this way proceeds easily without the danger of forcing the operator in one direction or the other. The operator is always involved in the decisions at critical points in the process, and he thereby maintains oversight of the organization of the technology on his layout.
On the 60653 Mobile Station, there is no corresponding possibility for setting things for another operating surface other than the familiar standard buttons. The MS 2 also does not use special data about the solenoid items that is operated with a certain pair of buttons. Here an mfx registration process is therefore not necessary. All you have to do is simply set the appropriate address on the coding switches for the signal and then operate the signal with the buttons selected parallel to the address.
You can find appropriate tips and information in the internal help function on the Central Station for questions about this technology.

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#15 Posted : 17 July 2015 22:47:06(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: petestra Go to Quoted Post
I've got two 70412 and one 76472 coming probably in a few weeks. I will let you all know how it goes. I am planning to use them with the MS II.

Cheers and thanks for all your inputs. Peter Cool


I'm only using them with the MS2. They are great and I'm very happy with their operation and looks. One drawback for me. They will not work with

contact track sections C/24994/194 & M/5146/7. Mad

Peter Cool
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#16 Posted : 17 July 2015 22:53:03(UTC)
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CS2 update 4.0.1 in few days if you have mfx signals.

Quote:
[...] You can find appropriate tips and information in the internal help function on the Central Station for questions about this technology.
Traditionally new dialogues will have empty English help pages. Maybe they will break with this tradition this time ...

Regards
Tom
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Offline clapcott  
#17 Posted : 18 July 2015 11:44:55(UTC)
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I find the image of the (semaphore) Distance Signal as a keyboard selectable option worthy of note. This implies the acceptance of a separately addressable device not necessarily tied to a home signal by the same address.

Even if it does not mean there is some extra/fancy internal logic for choosing which home signal to represent - i.e. conditional on the state of a point/turnout, at least it enables this sort of logic to be handled at a higher level - i.e. a PC or memory sequence.

For the light equivalent, a Distance signal requires a host (home) control module. This is currently only available with a home module, however it will effectively work if you do not plug in the home mast. The issue is that you cannot currently get the control module by itself for retrofitting with the "light" distance signal, only with a mast.

I wonder if this is going to change, and where there is an icon for a distance "light" signal as well as the distance "semaphore" signal shown.
Peter
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#18 Posted : 07 August 2015 18:53:03(UTC)
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No update for CS2 yet until end of this month.

Marklin wrote.

Quote:
we found still a mistake, which we first have
to eliminate. We hope, that the new version is available end of this
month.
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Offline Goofy  
#19 Posted : 10 August 2015 18:28:48(UTC)
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Slow work by Märklin,to solve the problem about program... ThumbDown
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#20 Posted : 10 August 2015 19:13:19(UTC)
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Better to get it bug free at release, good they caught it before it was made a public download.
Bugs can be hard to find, except in my little garden... BigGrin
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#21 Posted : 11 August 2015 06:06:37(UTC)
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... bug free ...

No such thing !

Quote:
Bugs can be hard to find, ...

While some call a bug the underlying root cause, others just see the symptom and call that the bug.

In this era I find that bugs are all to easy to find, if they haven't already found you first !

And its not just a mater of finding and fixing the cause - first you have to prove to support then management then development that there is actually an issue before they bother to assign resource to working on it.
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#22 Posted : 11 August 2015 17:43:33(UTC)
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CS2 Update 4.0.1 (3) now available!

For mfx signals and others included English fixed Coal/Water/Oil/Sand for cab control.



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Offline clapcott  
#23 Posted : 12 August 2015 14:33:59(UTC)
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A Few more screenshots for those who may not have a mfx signal to play with and who can't wait for Marklin to update the manuals like they said they would

Except for the missing translation, I found the process is quite clean. The translation that has been done is good.

TIP: if you are having a play and have deleted a discovered signal, you may find it hard to detect again.
I found that going through the mfx Loco rebind process would wake things up.


The usual starting point to change a keyboard configuration
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The "discover new mfx accessories" button
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An unusually informative message if you have STOP pressed on the CS2
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If you do not have any new devices , another good meaningful message
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Progress message - not in english
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Device detected, and being read message - also not in English
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If multiple new devices detected they are all processed together.
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If the new devices already have address THAT DO NOT CONFLICT with anything already defined on the keyboard
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IF THERE IS A CONFLICT.. you get a resolution wizard
Suggestion to M : wouldn't it be nice if the message indicated the product type and allowed a test at this stage so you can have some confidence that the correct one has been detected.
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Once complete you get something like this
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Accessing the item in normal edit mode we see the greyed out protocol with a mfx prefix
This would have been "mfx(DCC)" if that was the mode of the signal when detected
While the address may be changed - out on the layout - the protocol cannot.
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Accessing the "CV" will cause the same sort reading of blocks of data as you see for a mfx loco
Because the translation is incomplete it would have been nice to see the CV numbers on the left so we could reference the books for a description
The drop-down dialogues are good though
The Vorsignal reference is for a distance signal on the same mast as the home signal, there is no option to set a separate address for the additional distance signal.
BUT WHAT IS THE "O" !!
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Pressing the "O" gives you some sort of configuration panel.
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Offline Carlos Faria  
#24 Posted : 27 October 2016 23:45:33(UTC)
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Good Evening

Can anyone give me some help, I´m having some dificulty in understanding how to programe Marklin light signal 76495.
20161017_225826.jpg
What I pretend is to make the train stop at the station, and, when tha signal goes green the train carrys i´ts jearny.

I have already instaled the Marklin signal as the instrutions of i´ts manual, programed it with my Ecos 50200, and they are changing from red to green as pretende, this when the train is still out of the selected area, but when I put a train on the track and move it the the salected área, the Ecos goes off, enters in protection.

And I noticed that the voltage in the salected área is verry low, 6v instead of 16v.

I hope someone can help me and explain how this has to be done correctly because I think that I am not doing this isntalation correctly.

I atached the the explode view of the programed layout.

I am using the Trix, and I am working with DCC system.

Looking forward to here from some who can help me soon.
Confused
Best regards.

Carlos Faria
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#25 Posted : 28 October 2016 00:06:02(UTC)
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Do you already have the braking mode connected?
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Offline Carlos Faria  
#26 Posted : 28 October 2016 23:47:10(UTC)
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Hi Danilo

Now I am puzzeld what do you meen braking mode connected ?

If I understand what you meen, I dont think so, but can you explain in more detail what you meen ?

I am verry new in this area, so I need more detaild anwers.

Looking forward to here from you soon.

Best regards

Carlos Faria
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#27 Posted : 24 August 2018 17:55:37(UTC)
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I am attempting to set up a "block system" on my layout using the 76495 signals....
1) Programmed them the 76495 into the CS 3 without problem. (Eg. Signal # 1)
2) I Cannot decipher all the nuances to program the Vor-signal on the mast ( signal # 1) to reflect the status on the next forward "block"...ie the block signal into which the train is entering. ( Eg. Signal #2)

Would appreciate any help....and thank you...you can PM me at amfisher102@mac.com

alan
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#28 Posted : 27 August 2018 06:55:29(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: amfisher102 Go to Quoted Post
...
1) Programmed them the 76495 into the CS 3 without problem. (Eg. Signal # 1)
Please elaborate (so answers can be more targeted)
- Have you configured with mFX or traditional means
- Are you using DCC or MM

Quote:
...
2) I Cannot decipher all the nuances to program the Vor-signal on the mast ( signal # 1) to reflect the status on the next forward "block"...ie the block signal
The prime nuance is
- a) for MM : that the Distant-signal address(es) is fixed as the "next contiguous" address(es) from the HomeSignal
- b) for DCC : that the Distant-signal address(es) may be set to any address HOWEVER if doing this via mFX programing tool on a CS the CS display is unaware (not prepared) to show this on its keyboard.







Peter
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#29 Posted : 27 August 2018 21:15:43(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: amfisher102 Go to Quoted Post
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1) Programmed them the 76495 into the CS 3 without problem. (Eg. Signal # 1)
Please elaborate (so answers can be more targeted)
- Have you configured with mFX or traditional means
- Are you using DCC or MM

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2) I Cannot decipher all the nuances to program the Vor-signal on the mast ( signal # 1) to reflect the status on the next forward "block"...ie the block signal
The prime nuance is
- a) for MM : that the Distant-signal address(es) is fixed as the "next contiguous" address(es) from the HomeSignal
- b) for DCC : that the Distant-signal address(es) may be set to any address HOWEVER if doing this via mFX programing tool on a CS the CS display is unaware (not prepared) to show this on its keyboard.

Response:
1) 76495: a) Connected power to track, b) Recognized by CS3 as signal with Red/ Green on home signal c) Connected stop section.
2) MM format
3) Cannot program the distant signal on the mast with "stop / go " information on the next signal ( block) ahead.
4) Have seen a German language youtube video, but the screens noted on the CS3 shown in the video do NOT correspond with the screens now noted with the CS3 updates.

Thank you for any help....alan







Offline amfisher102  
#30 Posted : 06 September 2018 18:46:14(UTC)
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Hello....

I'm a bit disappointed that no one responded to my plea for assistance in programming the 76495. I thought I had clarified the information definitively requested, but I sense that something might have been amiss...either the way I posted, or the information posted.

If anyone has any suggestion, please chime in and advise....thank you....alan
Offline clapcott  
#31 Posted : 07 September 2018 03:32:50(UTC)
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You appear to have ignored my earlier post and I have little more to add.

However I will reiterate ...
- in MM mode the address of the distance masthead is fixed at the following address(s) from the home masthead.
- so your 3) item is moot

As you have not stated , one way or the other, what the addresses are that are under consideration, I have to presume that they downstream signal address is NOT consecutive.
- therefore you need to change the signal mode to DCC to allow a separate address to be applied.




Peter
Offline TEEWolf  
#32 Posted : 07 September 2018 05:05:15(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: amfisher102 Go to Quoted Post
Hello....

I'm a bit disappointed that no one responded to my plea for assistance in programming the 76495. I thought I had clarified the information definitively requested, but I sense that something might have been amiss...either the way I posted, or the information posted.

If anyone has any suggestion, please chime in and advise....thank you....alan


@amfisher102

You got the new mfx signals there you have nothing to programm, because they register themselves at the CS 3. But if you want to know how to install them at the layout Märklin has issued training videos, but only in German. Nevertheless here are the link:

https://www.youtube.com/...UC_ulAkE0RxHUEhpvWf49pRQ





https://www.youtube.com/...treckensteuerung+digital

But ajckids is also issuing videos and these are in EnglishSmile

https://playtube.pk/user/UC24Fe246Yy0L8tc2pSJOzpg

https://www.youtube.com/user/ajckids/videos

Please have a look for the applicable video. I do not know which one you are looking for, because a block system you can do by signals. But normally I would do it with a M84 decoder and the feedback module S88 you can install 4 blocks in yoour layout. A good description you find in Märklin's book

http://www.ajckids.com/products/Marklin/03092

On page 149 is a picture and text describing to install a block system.

Strange to me, that this book is no longer listed in Märklin's databse. Searching the book I only got an error message at Märklin.




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Offline amfisher102  
#33 Posted : 22 September 2018 02:46:42(UTC)
amfisher102

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Originally Posted by: clapcott Go to Quoted Post
You appear to have ignored my earlier post and I have little more to add.

However I will reiterate ...
- in MM mode the address of the distance masthead is fixed at the following address(s) from the home masthead.
- so your 3) item is moot

As you have not stated , one way or the other, what the addresses are that are under consideration, I have to presume that they downstream signal address is NOT consecutive.
- therefore you need to change the signal mode to DCC to allow a separate address to be applied.






I apologize. You thought that I had ignored your comments which was not the case. There is a vast difference between ignoring comments and not understanding them. I am reconfiguring my Marklin signals to DCC, which should solve my problem with a single distant signal trying to interpret the home signal from a main line signal and its neighbor which is a passing lane. DCC solves that problem. Thank you for your help....
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