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Hi can anyone show me or tell me, if F units have been used for shunting at any point. These logos had a long life and must have been used to shunt trains at the end of a branch line  |
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Hi Dan,
I have no doubt they would have been used.
They were originally intended for use in multiple.
For shunting (switching) duties, even one of them was not ideal, because the engineman would need to lean out of his cab when running back, just to see the target train.
For that reason, EMD developed the road switcher (eg. GP7), which minimized the width of the engine cabin for backward viewing.
Double cabbed locomotives such as the EMD Nohab used in Denmark and Belgium, were quite useable for switching.
These followed or joined a European pattern of double cab diesels, and electrics.
Double cabs were not built (AFAIK) for use in the USA.
Some exceptions were main line electrics used on the Virginian, Milwaukee, and Great Northern railroads.
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Originally Posted by: danmarklinman  Hi can anyone show me or tell me, if F units have been used for shunting at any point. These logos had a long life and must have been used to shunt trains at the end of a branch line Hello Dan! I very clearly remember watching an old F7 switching car rakes at the GM plant in Fremont California back in 1984 or 85.(That factory is the Tesla plant today.. 😉) The engine was still wearing it's original Western Pacific black/orange livery and markings, although the company had been bought by UP a couple of years earlier. Too bad at the time smartphones with digital cameras had still to be invented...   I |
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Originally Posted by: jvuye Originally Posted by: danmarklinman Hi can anyone show me or tell me, if F units have been used for shunting at any point. These logos had a long life and must have been used to shunt trains at the end of a branch line Hello Dan! I very clearly remember watching an old F7 switching car rakes at the GM plant in Fremont California back in 1984 or 85.(That factory is the Tesla plant today.. 😉) The engine was still wearing it's original Western Pacific black/orange livery and markings, although the company had been bought by UP a couple of years earlier. Too bad at the time smartphones with digital cameras had still to be invented... I Thanks, yes what a shame. Cheers Dan |
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Dan, If you search for evidence, you may use the term "switching" instead of "shunting", as it's more common for American rail lingo. In echo of other responses, due to the fact the visibility was poor, and also the fact that the height of the EMD F unit was before radios were commonly used by US railways, they had somewhat limited switching use. However, Jacques has provided an excellent example, there are surely more. EMD made a ton of F units, I am sure evidence could be found of further switching operations, even if it was more of an exception than a rule. Here we excel at finding the exceptions! Even stranger.... I have seen one of two examples of a B unit converted to radio control for industrial usage.  Source: http://www.railpictures.net/vie...php?id=461704&nseq=5"The Clinchfield Railroad sold its F7B 852 to the Haysi Railroad Company in April 1970. Painted yellow/gold and equipped with remote control, the unit was used for many years to load coal at the tipple near its namesake community. Some 14 years later, however, its days appeared numbered. The unit survived, however, and now resides under a shed at TVRM in Chattanooga. Perhaps one day it will be restored." See also: Haysi Railroad 1 in better days.-Brandon |
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Now more direclty back to topic....EMD F units (particularly F7 for these examples)....shunting and switching in the wild!  Source: http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=395847&nseq=3"An Interstate Railroad mine run (using Southern power, since the short line's Alcos were shipped south three years earlier) do some switching at the west end of the yard at Andover. The old hoppers on the right are on the RIP track (Repair In Place). Notice the rather large white flags, denoting an "extra.""  Source: http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=369342&nseq=4#remarks"Flying white extra flags, Interstate Extra 4262 East, the 4th Mine Run, makes a switching move while passing through the yard at Andover. Two veteran F-units---F7 4262 and F3 4172 (a.k.a. "Big Sid")--are on the point today." |
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A fantastic example, A-B-A switching! Hey Marklin, look, more CB&Q!  http://www.railpictures.net/vie...61733&nseq=6#remarks"Early F units usually came in set of 4, i.e., ABBA. The CB&Q found that for most trains on its mostly flat railroad ABA sets were sufficient so the ABBAs were broken into ABs with another newer A added. On the CB&Q an ABBA set was lettered ABCD and an ABA set was lettered ABC. In this picture we see CB&Q F7A 165A, F3B 165B, and F3A 165C. The train is the early morning "Pick Up" at Milledgeville, IL (122 miles from Chicago on the Twin Cities Line). If the train had a number, it was never used on the dispatcher's line. It could run 80 cars long. Yes it was a heck of a train to be doing local switching, but it did weekdays." -Brandon |
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Now we want to get a little closer to a Marklin prototype. Marklin never made SOO Line in this livery, but if you ignore that, here's a single A unit doing some switching work and pulling what is probably a fairly short mixed freight set:  Source: http://www.railpictures.net/vie...11030&nseq=9#remarks"The days are getting shorter and shadows longer as Soo 2229B departs Trout Lake with a westbound local. Soo F's were running out their last miles during the late 70's, but were well maintained and could be trusted to go it solo if necessary. Although most crews preferred hood units, especially on trains like this one where lots of switching was involved." |
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