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I_love_Marklin_37538		#501 Posted : 26 January 2010 12:03:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/09/2008(UTC) Posts: 957 Location: ,		Got my 42229 today
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Davy		#502 Posted : 26 January 2010 18:29:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/08/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,915 Location: Netherlands		Three new silberlingen. Marklin 43800, 43810, 43820. Price for three 113,85 euro. Picture 43820
		M-track with a CS2.
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steventrain		#503 Posted : 26 January 2010 19:11:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,686 Location: United Kingdom		Very nice silver, Davy.
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RayF		#504 Posted : 02 February 2010 14:07:50(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,870 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		RayPayas wrote: I took the plunge and ordered my first new Marklin ERA V coaches, the Interregio 43500, 43501, and will order the 43550 control car as well. These 27cm coaches are more suited to my small layout. I don't have much ERA V motive power, so at first these coaches will be pulled by my Br185 Hobby loco. I'm not sure this is prototypical, though. What loco would be most accurate? I received the first lot of Interregio coaches, 1 first class and 2 second class. When I get the 43550 driving coach I'll post pictures of them on the layout. I want to also get the new 43502 Bistro coach and 43503 bicycle coach, but I don't know where I'm going to put a 6 coach train on my layout!
		Ray Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
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steventrain		#505 Posted : 02 February 2010 14:09:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,686 Location: United Kingdom		Very good Ray, I like the livery.
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Deborail		#506 Posted : 02 February 2010 15:02:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/10/2009(UTC) Posts: 819 Location: RAK		I have the Marklin 41874 PBA TEE inox cars (with DC wheels) and the Trix 22577 SCNB class 18 electric loco ordered from Kramm and expecting them soon....plus some FS Rivarossi italian coaches to run with my FS Rivarossi E402A electric loco....
		George Given enough time, tasks manage themselves.
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mnosal		#507 Posted : 03 February 2010 04:20:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 07/04/2008(UTC) Posts: 72 Location: ,		I went to the Amherst Model Railroad Hobby Show this weekend, and got a great deal on some z-scale coaches: Marklin 87055 Prussian commuter coaches in DRG livery. Marklin does an exceptional job detailing its passenger coaches for z-scale, better I think than some of its rolling stock. Every line of printing on the cars is legible (under a loupe) even though they are printed in letters a fraction of a millimeter tall. Here's two of them on the diorama in the late afternoon. --Mike
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steventrain		#508 Posted : 03 February 2010 12:03:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,686 Location: United Kingdom		Very Nice, mike.
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nyc5450		#509 Posted : 04 February 2010 00:55:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 42 Location: Council Bluffs, IA USA		steventrain wrote: Very good Ray, I like the livery. Ray, I agree with Stephen! What locomotive would go well with these coaches? Regards, John
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sebastian		#510 Posted : 07 February 2010 05:07:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2007(UTC) Posts: 729 Location: Ontario		I've got a second set of 4 Umbauwagens today. They're too good looking to stay in at the dealer.
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steventrain		#511 Posted : 08 February 2010 21:22:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,686 Location: United Kingdom		sebastian wrote: I've got a second set of 4 Umbauwagens today. They're too good looking to stay in at the dealer. Very good, Do you have a picture?
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RayF		#512 Posted : 08 February 2010 21:32:38(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,870 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		nyc5450 wrote: steventrain wrote: Very good Ray, I like the livery. Ray, I agree with Stephen! What locomotive would go well with these coaches? Regards, John Hi John, Any Era V passenger loco would do. I have seen photos of IR coaches behind Br143, 103, 101, 110, 111, 218, etc. The most recent photo I saw was with a Ludmilla in front. My only Era V loco in red is a Br185 Traxx loco, so I am using this at the moment. I know, it's a freight loco, but it looks the part.
		Ray Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
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nyc5450		#513 Posted : 09 February 2010 01:02:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 42 Location: Council Bluffs, IA USA		Thank you Ray! I like these coaches both for the livery as well as their 27cm length. I have a BR 218 that should be OK to pull them.
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obxbill		#514 Posted : 12 February 2010 03:32:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/12/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,300 Location: manteo, nc		Got a couple cars to go with my Insider Br120: 42272 2nd class coach and 43305 cab control car. It's a start. Bill
		Marklin HO and Z also Hornby 00 and US 2-rail
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SNAFU		#515 Posted : 12 February 2010 07:53:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/01/2008(UTC) Posts: 279 Location: Naracoorte, South Austrlia		Hi I,ve just got the 42229 set. Unfortuantly I can't afford the Br 17 to go with it. I Know it,s not the right loco but to run it but for now I've coupled it up to my Br 96, at least its from the right era. Some delicate bits on the ends of each carriage, but all up... nice .
		Tony Curiosity hasn't killed this cat yet.
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foumaro		#516 Posted : 12 February 2010 13:14:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/12/2004(UTC) Posts: 4,430 Location: Attiki Athens Greece		I got it too and i run it with my BR 39.I like the consist.
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steventrain		#517 Posted : 13 February 2010 09:27:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,686 Location: United Kingdom		Very nice, bill.
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Bigdaddynz		#518 Posted : 13 February 2010 09:50:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,764 Location: New Zealand		RayPayas wrote: RayPayas wrote: I took the plunge and ordered my first new Marklin ERA V coaches, the Interregio 43500, 43501, and will order the 43550 control car as well. These 27cm coaches are more suited to my small layout. I don't have much ERA V motive power, so at first these coaches will be pulled by my Br185 Hobby loco. I'm not sure this is prototypical, though. What loco would be most accurate? I received the first lot of Interregio coaches, 1 first class and 2 second class. When I get the 43550 driving coach I'll post pictures of them on the layout. I want to also get the new 43502 Bistro coach and 43503 bicycle coach, but I don't know where I'm going to put a 6 coach train on my layout! I've got an 8 car train of the older coaches of this type. Also, I just received my 43302 set of 4 IC coaches (white with red). Also, I want to get some more of the older IC coaches (white and red with pink stripe) to make up a complete train. Ray, I think these trains were most commonly pulled with a red Br120 or red Br101. And they were often pulled with a red Br103. I use any one of these 3, plus a Br182 Tauras would not be out of place, and I guess a Br185 is not out of place either. As I have all 5 of these locos, I can let my imagination run wild!
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Nightowl4933		#519 Posted : 13 February 2010 12:01:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/02/2008(UTC) Posts: 972 Location: North Wiltshire		I haven't got my Insider car yet, let alone my loco
		Living on Earth is expensive, but it does include a free trip around the sun every year. Z Scale is great - where's me glasses?
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RayF		#520 Posted : 16 February 2010 15:29:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,870 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		My 43550 is on it's way This is my first cab control car. How does this light change-over business work? Is it a mechanical sensor which detects direction of rotation on the axle, or something more sophisticated? I can't see them on the photo, but presumably it already brings a pick-up shoe and ground spring?
		Ray Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
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Tex		#521 Posted : 17 February 2010 16:46:31(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 30/01/2004(UTC) Posts: 276 Location: Houston, Texas		Only 16 after selling my older metal Marklin coaches. Maximum length is 24 cm due to R1 curves. Plan to purchace six new coaches and am interested in new Brawa " retro " coaches to be realeased in 2010 with lenght of 21.1 cm. Does anyone have experience with Brawa coaches? Tex
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Ian555		#522 Posted : 18 February 2010 17:54:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 20,288 Location: Scotland		Hi all, Bought myself some older coaches,all in good condition with orginal boxes. Coach no. are 4004 4005 and 4003 Ian.
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RayF		#523 Posted : 18 February 2010 18:27:21(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,870 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Hi Ian, Those 4004 and 4005 are lovely. I'm not so sure about the 3003, which seems to have the axleboxes missing and a bit of twist to the chassis. Have a look here and compare to yours: Bigio's site is a wealth of information. I can recommend it heartily! http://www.bigio.net/Home/Home.htm
		Ray Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
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nyc5450		#524 Posted : 19 February 2010 20:19:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 42 Location: Council Bluffs, IA USA		Ian, Those are very nice coaches! I like the smaller size items for my small layout. I'm wondering if they won't get lost on your layout? Also, thank you Ray for the excellent link. In four years of following this forum, I've never visited that very helpfull site.
		Regards, John
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steventrain		#525 Posted : 20 February 2010 09:25:54(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,686 Location: United Kingdom		Very nice. I think the wheels was replacement, Ian.
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nevw		#526 Posted : 30 March 2010 09:00:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		These Liliput CIWL coaches arrived yesterday. Unfortunately the sea journey was not to kind to the coupling mountings. will have to get some somehow: Still in their boxes.
		NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders and a hose pipe on the aorta Junior member of the Banana Club, a reformist and an old Goat with a Bad memory, loafing around
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ac jacko		#527 Posted : 03 May 2010 13:15:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/04/2010(UTC) Posts: 897 Location: Gawler South Australia		Hey nev how did the repairs go?? Well the carriages arrived today which well packaged and in thier original boxes. I am stoked and so is my 6 yr old son so aka the junior train engineer is as well ;) as first buy in over 25 yrs. Took 3 weeks but the volcano issue across played a part in that and bought of ebay and top seller. Very happy Marklin 4023 Marklin 4024 Marklin 4032 with internal lighting kit
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steventrain		#528 Posted : 03 May 2010 14:04:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,686 Location: United Kingdom		Very nice.
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RayF		#529 Posted : 03 May 2010 14:43:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,870 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Hi Dale, love those old Marklin tin-plate coaches. I noticed that the first class coach (3032) is the later version with the computer numbers and windows and frames moulded in plastic. Most of mine are like that, except for my 3024 which is the same as yours but much tattier! Congratulations on getting such well kept examples!
		Ray Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
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ac jacko		#530 Posted : 03 May 2010 14:52:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/04/2010(UTC) Posts: 897 Location: Gawler South Australia		RayPayas wrote: Hi Dale, love those old Marklin tin-plate coaches. I noticed that the first class coach (3032) is the later version with the computer numbers and windows and frames moulded in plastic. Most of mine are like that, except for my 3024 which is the same as yours but much tattier! Congratulations on getting such well kept examples! Thanks Ray,I love the old styles too . A good seller in England and has few models still available. Price was more than I wanted but the quality is there and the 4032 was thrown in at a cheaper rate with the 4023/4024. I have 2 more inbound, 4026 and 4027 and once these arrive this will finish the carriage line up up
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nevw		#531 Posted : 04 May 2010 02:06:38(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		Nice buying Dale. Ian, repairs went Great. I managed to get new bogies complete with Couplers, so repairs were easy. The Bogies were a good price also 3 Euro for 2. I got 4 Packs, postage 6 euro. so a cheap repair. Nev
		NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders and a hose pipe on the aorta Junior member of the Banana Club, a reformist and an old Goat with a Bad memory, loafing around
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Bigdaddynz		#532 Posted : 04 May 2010 03:43:50(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,764 Location: New Zealand		RayPayas wrote: My 43550 is on it's way This is my first cab control car. How does this light change-over business work? Is it a mechanical sensor which detects direction of rotation on the axle, or something more sophisticated? Yes, it's a mechanical sensor..... RayPayas wrote: I can't see them on the photo, but presumably it already brings a pick-up shoe and ground spring? ...and Yes!
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Bigdaddynz		#533 Posted : 04 May 2010 03:46:51(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,764 Location: New Zealand		Great set you have there Dale, and looks like they are in great condition too.
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ac jacko		#534 Posted : 04 May 2010 13:09:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/04/2010(UTC) Posts: 897 Location: Gawler South Australia		Thanks BDNZ,Ray,Nev,steve and others,yes very good nick indeed Nev,glad your repairs are good to go
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ac jacko		#535 Posted : 07 May 2010 07:39:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/04/2010(UTC) Posts: 897 Location: Gawler South Australia		New arrivals today Carriage 4027 X 2 Carriage 4026 Baggage Carriage
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RayF		#536 Posted : 07 May 2010 10:15:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,870 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Lovely old coaches, Dale. You've now got a nice rake of these. What loco is going to pull this classic Marklin train?
		Ray Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
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nevw		#537 Posted : 07 May 2010 10:42:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		you are buying some great stuff. NN
		NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders and a hose pipe on the aorta Junior member of the Banana Club, a reformist and an old Goat with a Bad memory, loafing around
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ac jacko		#538 Posted : 07 May 2010 11:49:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/04/2010(UTC) Posts: 897 Location: Gawler South Australia		Thx all for feedback and yes Nev I like the old style For pulling if could afford one the Marklin Model 3089 BR3.01 but just looking at the new loco that arrived today (3084)will be the baby
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RayF		#539 Posted : 07 May 2010 12:21:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,870 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		ac jacko wrote: Thx all for feedback and yes Nev I like the old style For pulling if could afford one the Marklin Model 3089 BR3.01 but just looking at the new loco that arrived today (3084)will be the baby Towards the end of the steam age in Germany they often used Br50's to pull passenger trains when they couldn't find a passenger loco, so this is probably quite prototypical. It would be unlikely to break any speed records, though! The 03.10 you mentioned would be OK, but I would also consider an 01 (3048), 03 (3085), or a V200 diesel (3021). If you have catenary an E10 (3039) or E41 (3034) would also look good.
		Ray Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
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ac jacko		#540 Posted : 07 May 2010 12:38:22(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/04/2010(UTC) Posts: 897 Location: Gawler South Australia		RayPayas wrote: ac jacko wrote: Thx all for feedback and yes Nev I like the old style For pulling if could afford one the Marklin Model 3089 BR3.01 but just looking at the new loco that arrived today (3084)will be the baby Towards the end of the steam age in Germany they often used Br50's to pull passenger trains when they couldn't find a passenger loco, so this is probably quite prototypical. It would be unlikely to break any speed records, though! The 03.10 you mentioned would be OK, but I would also consider an 01 (3048), 03 (3085), or a V200 diesel (3021). If you have catenary an E10 (3039) or E41 (3034) would also look good. I have the 3048 last week arrived and I am looking at Model 3085 currently and a model carriage 4078 so this could be a go Ray ;).
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steventrain		#541 Posted : 07 May 2010 16:30:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,686 Location: United Kingdom		Very good, Ac jacko.
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nevw		#542 Posted : 06 June 2010 02:44:31(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		Some Pickies, Along with the Locos I received during the week was this set of 2 deckers. They along with the Ae 6/6 Loco are the Swiss S-Bahn set. the Photography is up to my usual high Standard. The AE 6/6 may get a heart transplant from a Delta Decoder to a Lokpilot. Passengers and Lights for the Double deckers. SOme time in the future
		NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders and a hose pipe on the aorta Junior member of the Banana Club, a reformist and an old Goat with a Bad memory, loafing around
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Ian555		#543 Posted : 06 June 2010 10:55:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 20,288 Location: Scotland		Hi Nev, That makes a great looking set...enjoy. Ian.
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RayF		#544 Posted : 06 June 2010 12:11:38(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,870 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Great set, Nev! I nearly bought this one when it came out. I wish I had, now.
		Ray Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
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kimballthurlow		#545 Posted : 06 June 2010 12:15:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,762 Location: Brisbane, Australia		Tex wrote: Only 16 after selling my older metal Marklin coaches. Maximum length is 24 cm due to R1 curves. Plan to purchace six new coaches and am interested in new Brawa " retro " coaches to be realeased in 2010 with lenght of 21.1 cm. Does anyone have experience with Brawa coaches? Tex Hi, Yes, I have some Brawa coaches. You need to be careful about the couplers, if you install Marklin type, they tend to foul the buffers, especially on R1 curves. The easiest solution is to cut away the lower part of the buffer. In general, my running all Marklin sets means I never have any trouble on R1 curves. regards Kimball
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steventrain		#546 Posted : 06 June 2010 12:59:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,686 Location: United Kingdom		Very nice raking of coaches, Nev.
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obxbill		#547 Posted : 06 June 2010 17:29:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/12/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,300 Location: manteo, nc		Finally got a couple 4127 coaches to go with my CFL 185. Bill
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RayF		#548 Posted : 06 June 2010 20:35:16(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,870 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Great coaches, Bill. I see I'm not the only one with shelves full of aircraft kits above the layout!
		Ray Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
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obxbill		#549 Posted : 06 June 2010 21:12:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/12/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,300 Location: manteo, nc		Thanks, Ray. BTW, there are shelves of aircraft and armor models in every room in our house 'cept the bathroom! And I have a closet full of unbuilt kits that i don't think I'll live long enough to do. Bill
		Marklin HO and Z also Hornby 00 and US 2-rail
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nevw		#550 Posted : 07 June 2010 02:56:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		Thanks all they are a lovely set of coaches. Bill, nice coaches also. N
		NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders and a hose pipe on the aorta Junior member of the Banana Club, a reformist and an old Goat with a Bad memory, loafing around
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