Hi,
Does anybody know the meaning of "SET 800", of a Marklin loc?
Is it DC?
(I'm sure everybody knows, but me![:I])
Thanks,

Fred

Hello!

By the way are models such as ST800 or TP800 made from
real prototypes?

Mikko

My friend expert collector said me that the letters are'nt related with loco but only as a reference catalog.
The number 700 is for the first series which have manual inversion while 800 is for the first Perfekt Relè (4 positions, run forward, stop and light, run backwards, stop and light).
TP800 is a Br64
ST800 is inspired to a USA train, but not related to a precise model.
bye

Hi Hans,
You are our teacher.
I'll print your answer and I'll give it to my friend collector.
Thanks for your explanation.
bye

Hi all,

Great to see there still are interesting things to learn about Märklin and MRR in general. Thanks for your interesting reply Hans!

Alberto, Fred, Sander and Guus,

thank you. You made me blush[:I][:I][:I], my knowledge of course stems from many others who told me and taught me !!!

The usual remarks now...

Alberto, your "collector friend" is not all wrong. You must know the following: there was always a "meaning" within the letters, but here we have to go back to the time before the war, when most letters were taken from gauge 1 and gauge 0 locos.

From what I have been told, locos with an "R" in it had two axles, being regarded as R-angierloks, shunting locos. "E" stood for England, many locos between the wars being exported to the UK, and those were a bit more elaborate, having 2'B axles for instance.

So of course after only little time, this scheme could not be used anymore, this is how the letters seemed to become more and more like a sheer fantasy name.

When 00, later H0, was introduced, these letters were simply transferred to this new business, simply with new digits afterwards. Example: TWE 12930, gauge 0, became TWE 700 in gauge 00, and later this would have been TWE 800. TWE stands for Trieb Wagen Elektrisch ...

So, all in all, there are many letters which can be explained what they mean, but you will not be able to see any continuity or logic behind them. Only from around 1953 we are able to really speak about a logical meaning of the letters.

So now that leads us to Guus' dreaded question ... dreaded because there are several answers about CCS 800. Some people will tell you that it has to do with the number of driven axles in this loco, the Crocodile being a 1'C-C1' loco, the two C's indicating the two-times three driven axles. It sounds like a reasonable explanation, but:

I do not believe this. There is another theory. "C" is very often used for Switzerland, automobile number plates showing a "CH" for Switzerland for instance. The second "C" stands for, well, "Crocodile". The "S" would simply being an internal development code ....

Why I believe the second theory?? Because in 1935, the gauge 0 Crocodile was already sold under CCS 66/12920 and the Gauge 1 Crocodile had the number CCS 66/12921. But they didn't even have the correct number of axles, one of each half had been left away for technical reasons.

But who knows for real .... I suppose it's hidden deep in the Märklin archive, and they leave it there to add to the mystique....

Thank you for calling me Hans, as my friends do !!!

Johann

Hi Hans,

Thank you very much again for your explanation of the numbering system.

Kind regards
Guus

Hello Hans,

Your information is a real jewel. May I ask you to complete the list. Can you provide us the meaning of the following codes from 800 and 700 series ?

CE
CM
DA
DB
HR
RS
RSM
ST
TM
TP
TT
TW

Thanks