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Altenahr: Well done scenery, but the highway curve leading into the tunnel looks a little bit unrealistic. And of course the helicopter perspective should be avoided.  wikipedia.org Edited at: by user 03 April 2019 13:09:21(UTC)
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In the weekend we visited a relative in the Dutch city of Maastricht. The station there has several peculiarities. For one, it is mainly a terminus (entry from the "north"), but one track "proceeds" south to Belgium. A second peculiarity is the way some incoming tracks are laid out (photos about 180 degrees apart; same dwarf signal visible in both photos):   Jeroen |
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Speaking of Hamburg-Altona: Commuter train tracks 1, 2, 3 & 4 are on a ramp, and so are multiple inclined cross-overs between these tracks.  (The aforementioned ICE track # 5 warp is visible, too.) wikipedia.org |
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Originally Posted by: jerdenberg  In the weekend we visited a relative in the Dutch city of Maastricht. The station there has several peculiarities. For one, it is mainly a terminus (entry from the "north"), but one track "proceeds" south to Belgium. A second peculiarity is the way some incoming tracks are laid out (photos about 180 degrees apart; same dwarf signal visible in both photos):
Hmm, a quick Google Maps look at Maastricht Station shows the bit you photogrphed quite nicely.
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Back in the 1970s, there was an international train from Amsterdam to Pisa via Milan that made a stop in Maastricht at 14:51h.  I boarded that train with my dog (the lady in the photo is a stranger) to travel to a working week in the Swiss alps, getting off at Luzern around midnight, spending the night on the waterfront (very cold!) and taking the first boat to the other end of the lake. In Basel, a group of Swiss ladies came into the apartment where I sat, not noticing my dog (he was snoozing under my seat), and they were very surprised when he emerged :). The ladies were on their way to Milan for a day of shopping … Jeroen |
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Model railroader´s delight: Further to the quoted thread (where this turntable was presented) which is rather about steam locos, I post this treasure here. Turntable without roundhouse in a priceless setting in / under / next to a steep cliff. Vevey, Switzerland. And another one: Altenhundem, ca. 1930.  |
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The ultimate service to the passengers :) |
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Alterstreek #583: Quote:Colorado has so much more MRR inspiration to offer: I had a friend who worked at the Pueblo, CO facility for a while. When it was first built it was suggested to call it "Facility for Accelerated Rail Testing" But "Transportation Technology Center" somehow won the day...  Peace, Jimmy |
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Here is an interesting track arrangement, where the use of a double-slip crossover has been abandoned except for one through road and one turnout. The photo was taken in Odense Denmark in November 2018, looking west. The long oblique section on the left of the photo is a cable section holding up an elevated pedestrian/cycling pathway.  Kimball |
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Originally Posted by: rbw993 But what is under the bridge? DB mainline? Unfortunately, the “source website” doesn’t give any clue about the location (which would have allowed for further research). It looks to me like somewhere in the Ruhr area. Which source website was it? You set a link below the picture, but this cannot be the correct one. But it looks like the bus going over the bridge is crossing a small river or creek and not tracks of another train line.
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Originally Posted by: TEEWolf Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Originally Posted by: rbw993 But what is under the bridge? DB mainline? Unfortunately, the “source website” doesn’t give any clue about the location (which would have allowed for further research). It looks to me like somewhere in the Ruhr area. Which source website was it? You set a link below the picture, but this cannot be the correct one. But it looks like the bus going over the bridge is crossing a small river or creek and not tracks of another train line. This is regarding Post #644. Yes I agree. From the lay of the land to the right of the roadway, I surmise that the bridge could only be crossing a stream. It is interesting that Europe is full of tram lines on the metre gauge - evident here. All metropolitan trams in Australia were standard gauge as far as I know. Kimball |
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Originally Posted by: TEEWolf Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Originally Posted by: rbw993 But what is under the bridge? DB mainline? Unfortunately, the “source website” doesn’t give any clue about the location (which would have allowed for further research). It looks to me like somewhere in the Ruhr area. Which source website was it? You set a link below the picture, but this cannot be the correct one. Strong words. Googling the very source I gave together with some buzzwords - namely "www.funkemedien.de, bahn, klassik" - leads to the image. If that is too much to ask, here is the full link: https://funkemedien.de/d...-11e3-81d5-005056a1001f/ |
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Under the bridge, I think I see reflections of bridge pillars in addition to the pillars themselves?
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Originally Posted by: PJMärklin Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Gamburg station, Baden-Württemberg: Turnout in tunnel? Why not?  ... Hello Ak, Thanks for your reassuring post,  I had previously had some concerns these two turnouts on my layout were too close to the tunnel ! Regards, PJ Quote:Turnout in Tunnel? Why not? Actually it could be an own topic. But here are a few informations about the Lötschberg base tunnel. https://en.wikipedia.org...3%B6tschberg_Base_TunnelThe Lötschberg has turnouts inside the tunnel and they are driven by trains with a speed of about 180 km/h. (113 miles/h) I translated here the text of a Swiss paper from 2011-1-05 https://www.blick.ch/new...d-ersetzt-id1428240.htmlTranslation: FRUTIGEN BE/RARON VS - In the Lötschberg base tunnel, a switch tongue has to be replaced again due to the high wear. The tunnel will therefore be closed for one night this week. The turnout is located around 14 kilometres from the Valais tunnel portal at the transition from double to single lane, as BLS, the railway company, announced on Wednesday. The trains travel at a speed of 180 km/h on the 190-metre-long points. Already a year ago, the right switch tongue was replaced by a component made of harder steel due to the high wear. The railway company continues that this has been a good experience. Now the left switch blade is also being replaced. According to BLS, this maintenance work is unproblematic. But because they take place at an exposed location in the tunnel, it is closed as a precaution. The closure during the night from 8 to 9 October has an effect on the timetable. All trains will be diverted over the mountain route via Kandersteg and Goppenstein. There will be no stop in Visp. The Intercity trains will arrive in Brig later and depart earlier. The regional express trains "Lötschberger" run according to the timetable. Freight traffic is also handled via the mountain route. According to the railway company, this is around 20 trains. Translated with www.DeepL.com/TranslatorSee a card with the lines through the Lötschberg base tunnel on page 17 https://www.bls.ch/-/med...at-loetschbergtunnel.pdfand a few pictures about turnouts within the tunnel. Also in the Gotthard base tunnel you find turnouts. Read here more in English https://www.voestalpine....he-gotthard-base-tunnel/What I did not check yet is the Brenner base tunnel. But I guess there will be built in turnouts as well. Well - why shall your turnouts then not to be close to the tunnel? In real life they are built in the tunnel as well.
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Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow Originally Posted by: TEEWolf Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Originally Posted by: rbw993 But what is under the bridge? DB mainline? Unfortunately, the “source website” doesn’t give any clue about the location (which would have allowed for further research). It looks to me like somewhere in the Ruhr area. Which source website was it? You set a link below the picture, but this cannot be the correct one. But it looks like the bus going over the bridge is crossing a small river or creek and not tracks of another train line. This is regarding Post #644. Yes I agree. From the lay of the land to the right of the roadway, I surmise that the bridge could only be crossing a stream. It is interesting that Europe is full of tram lines on the metre gauge - evident here. All metropolitan trams in Australia were standard gauge as far as I know. Kimball I found the location of this picture. It is the railway crossing in Milspe-Tal. The picture is from 1951 and indeed the track line is crossing a river. It is the Ennepe. For all my friends who do not like my links, here a few links about it.  http://www.vgbahn.info/v...s/downloads/page0006.pdfShortly before red point 20 is this railroad (red line) crossing the river Ennepe. https://upload.wikimedia...nbahnen_im_Ennepetal.pnghttps://en.wikipedia.org...tal_(Gevelsberg)_stationThe railroad line "Ennepetalline" (=redline in the picture) with some nice pictures https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/EnnepetalbahnInteresting this picture https://de.wikipedia.org...tamp=20060619112233&This bridge is still there, if you search it on Google maps. It is Mispe Tal and the road is named "An der Kehr". Here a picture from the same railroad crossing, but with a point of view from the other side. https://commons.wikimedi...8_am_Bf_Milspe_Tal_I.jpgfrom the same point of view with the "new trains" today: a bus on the street. https://commons.wikimedi...401_am_Bf_Milspe_Tal.jpgJust some pictures with old locomotives in this area Schwelm - Ennepetal. http://www.bahnen-wupper...tml/bahnhof-schwelm.htmlIn this file see page 13. There you see on the bridge over the Ennepe again with a BC4vT 137 004 on 02.02.1935 https://www.efwitten.de/...ktuell/EFW60_04_2007.pdfAt this link you see the picture again, but with a bigger angel and more details. The text below for this picture is: "This book has landed on your editor's table because the title page shows a street scene from the catchment area of our museum. It shows the railway crossing Milspe-Tal in 1951. At that time the tram company Ennepe was still driving there, as you can see first by the double bent track in the pavement and then by the waiting railcar in the background." Enough for today - enjoy the links with plenty of pictures of old locos (mainly steamer) in Germany. bahnhof milspe tal https://www.google.de/se...=928&bih=432#imgrc=_
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek I guess that is to power the steam heating plant ... But it is a bit of an odd picture. If you look carefully enough you can see the overhead wire going through the coaling plant, and the loco has the far pantograph up. So the track is obviously being used by electric locos, presumably to access maintenance facilities. I presume by this stage that steam locos were long gone, and that it was only a matter of time before the coaling tower would be demolished. This is the translated remark under the above picture in the Stummi forum: "On the right the track for the steam locomotives, on the left the track which was electrified in the course of the structural change. The former coal bunker now serves as a sanding facility. The track was used by electric locomotives, diesel locomotives, steam locomotives without coals, rail buses. In the foreground a pit for inspections."
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Originally Posted by: 1borna ...
The Solkan Bridge (Slovene: Solkanski most, Italian: Ponte di Salcano) is a 219.7-meter (721 ft) arch bridge over the Soča River near Nova Gorica in western Slovenia (by railway terminology it is a viaduct). With an arch span of 85 meters (279 ft), it is the world's longest stone arch railroad bridge.... Wow that is one beautiful bridge. Thanks for sharing the pictures. Kimball |
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Thank you for your interest! Is the bridge really interesting and could be made on a larger layout? In reality looks very slender, 1976 I took my friend (and on me but that footage was lost)  The middle part of the bridge was demolished in World War II but the bridge did not collapse and was successfully repaired  Croatia has a nice viaduct on the railway line to Knin, they call it Čupković bridge and was built on 1925   
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Originally Posted by: 1borna I guess that is what one could call an easement curve ... I don't think it is a trick of the camera angle.
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 This is better seen    bridge height: 23.5 m bridge length: 285 m
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Originally Posted by: 1borna  bridge height: 23.5 m bridge length: 285 m I am impressed that you went walking on it, although i'm not sure i would trust the safety railing around that step out spot, where the concrete appears to have crumbled a bit in the second photo. The slant on the track is quite noticeable (it's also visible in the angle of the train in the previous post), and I am impressed with how much off centre it is towards the inside of the curve so that the bridge can withstand the centrifugal force of a heavy train on it.
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Dogbone track:
Rowtor Target Railway, a former military narrow gauge target railway in Dartmoor, UK.
Interesting concept; the wikipedia article (please check your link for an error) includes the answer to the question that arose when I read "target": the trolley with the target is protected against missfired projectiles by an embankment. Jeroen |
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Originally Posted by: TEEWolf Thanks TEE wolf. I needed a good laugh and you are absolutely correct. 😂😂😂🤣 Would be interesting to see that in a layout including the landing strip.😳😃 Happy Model Railroading Robert
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Very nice. A "scenic view" railway pull-over spot. if you will.  |
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Originally Posted by: TEEWolf And the bus stop where the bus blocks the tracks when it stops ... But that must seriously test the signalman when he gets a request for a train to come through. Those charged with timetabling through there must have to scratch their heads at times, three independent double track lines going through a single point, and you are always interacting both both of the others.
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Those charged with timetabling through there must have to scratch their heads at times, three independent double track lines going through a single point, and you are always interacting both both of the others. Plus the single track "tangent" in the rear cutting through two double track lines. :o)  |
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Quote:Plus the single track "tangent" in the rear cutting through two double track lines. I thought you were making that up until I had a closer look at the original photograph! I wonder if anyone will ever be brave enough to try and model this (in any scale). Do you know where the photograph was taken?
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Just answered my own question - only thought of a picture search after I posted the earlier response. I found this link with more details of the junction (in Indiana). Web link: Industrial History. Griffith Junction Tower
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Does C-track have enough crossing-degree variations for this one?  Or is it going to entail some...ummm...creative manipulations with the Dremel Tool?  Jimmy |
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Originally Posted by: Jimmy Thompson Does C-track have enough crossing-degree variations for this one? Or is it going to entail some...ummm...creative manipulations with the Dremel Tool? Jimmy Doesn't look like C/K track have the angles for this unless the crossings were spread farther apart and some curves were added. Would love to see someone try though |
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I like the diagram on the mimic board in the signal tower. Shows there is quite a bit more to the area than just that junction where everything crosses everything else.
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How many tracks are needed for modeling a decent Santa Fe RR passenger depot? Answer: one.  Berkeley, California, 1953 |
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Those charged with timetabling through there must have to scratch their heads at times, three independent double track lines going through a single point, and you are always interacting both both of the others. Plus the single track "tangent" in the rear cutting through two double track lines. :o) Yes, Indeed Alan & AK. Watch those signals! Peter.
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Former DRGW (now UP) mainline west of Bond, Colorado.  Bridge + bridge + short tunnel.  Edited by user 04 November 2019 07:26:37(UTC)
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 Recorded at the Harka Station in Germany (back in the DDR era) photo by Rene Stannigel Beautiful picture, as if from some layout!
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Further to posts #262 - 266 regarding a turnout on a bridge: Kräwinklerbrücke, Remscheid, Germany  It seems to me as if the first turnout is placed on the bridge. |
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