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Offline Harvey  
#1 Posted : 03 January 2014 02:18:08(UTC)
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Harvey

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I just received the 37045 Re 4/4I from my local dealer. Placed it on my layout and my CS2 did not recognize it. I had not updated the software to 3.01 and so I did that and rebooted. The software installed successfully (versions shows 3.01). Still did not recognize the loc. I searched the loc data base and was surprised to see the loc not listed. I had thought that with the software update, the loc data base would be updated.

I will bring the loc back to my dealer on Saturday (large snow storm on Friday) and have him test the loc.

Appreciate any suggestions

Regards

Harvey
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Offline mike c  
#2 Posted : 03 January 2014 04:03:42(UTC)
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Just off the top of my head. Did you try the Motorola address (44) listed for this lok? It should appear as Re 4/4 I 10036 when detected by mfx.
Might it be possible that somebody has swapped the chassis with a 37044 (Re 4/4 I 10040) or 26557 (Re 4/4 I 10033).
All three of these models all had 41 as the assigned Motorola address.
An easy way to test whether it has been swapped with a 26557 would be to test the station announcement (f2), which is in Swiss German for the green and red models and in Hochdeutsch for the TEE model.

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Mike C
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Offline TimR  
#3 Posted : 03 January 2014 04:21:25(UTC)
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Wait..... isn't 37045 supposed to have MFx decoder?

It won't be in loco database, as it contain only list of locos with older generation MM decoders.

MFx should have the standard auto-detect procedure.
The decoder and CS2 would communicate to each other. It take a couple of minutes, and after that recognition process is completed, CS2 assigned a digital address to the loco decoder automatically.

This problem looks likely to be faulty decoder.

Whether CS2 has been updated or not should have nothing to do with this issue, as anything short of MFX+ should even work with the previous generation of CS or MS.
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Offline Harvey  
#4 Posted : 03 January 2014 04:46:25(UTC)
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Harvey

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Thanks for the response. I did wait for a while and the CS2 response was it ran out of time and did not recognize (something like that). I will try again tomorrow and if no luck, I will return. I did manually try address 41 (as that is what is in the manual) and will try 44.

Nice looking loc.

Snow is only 2-3 inches - cleared that with the kids. More tomorrow.

Harvey
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Offline H0  
#5 Posted : 03 January 2014 08:18:13(UTC)
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Hi!
Originally Posted by: Harvey Go to Quoted Post
I did manually try address 41 (as that is what is in the manual) and will try 44.
The MM address (manual registration) will work only when mfx protocol is disabled in the CS2.
The automatic mfx registration will work only if mfx is enabled in the CS2. Do you have other mfx locos working?

BTW: You should tell your CS2 to upgrade again - the 3.0.1 upgrade usually requires two attempts (but 37045 will still not be in the database).
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Tom
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Offline clapcott  
#6 Posted : 03 January 2014 22:33:46(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Hi!
Originally Posted by: Harvey Go to Quoted Post
I did manually try address 41 (as that is what is in the manual) and will try 44.
The MM address (manual registration) will work only when mfx protocol is disabled in the CS2.
The automatic mfx registration will work only if mfx is enabled in the CS2. Do you have other mfx locos working?

????
Please do to tell....

for a MS2 maybe ?
Peter
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Offline clapcott  
#7 Posted : 03 January 2014 22:40:11(UTC)
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.... Placed it on my layout and my CS2 did not recognize it....


Harvey,

Please confirm ....
a) the unit is indeed an unmodified mFX model
b) the part of the layout you placed the loco on was powered by the CS2 directly or a 60173/4 booster, and not a 6015/7 type booster

I would also check that you may have missed the initial recognition (maybe changing between panels at the time) and to have a look in the "All Locos" LocoList to see if it has in fact got in there. After the first recognition an mFX will not cause the CS2 to offer the mFX prompt in the future
Peter
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Offline H0  
#8 Posted : 03 January 2014 22:44:08(UTC)
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Same with MS2: when mfx is disabled, mfx locos can be run (tested) with their MM address.

mfx decoders ignore commands sent to their MM address if they detected mfx signals on the track. If you use a controller that does not send any mfx signals (this can be a CS2 or MS2 where mfx is disabled), the loco will obey MM commands.
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Tom
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Offline clapcott  
#9 Posted : 03 January 2014 23:06:01(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
..this can be a CS2 ... where mfx is disabled...


How do you disable mFX on a CS2 ?

Peter
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Offline Harvey  
#10 Posted : 03 January 2014 23:44:45(UTC)
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Harvey

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All

Thank you for the information. Following is the status.

I brought the loc back to the store. They have a 6021 controller and entered the address 41. The lights when on and it worked fine. I returned home and placed it on the programming track and nothing happened. This may be due to my first attempts (though nothing was loaded on the CS on that first try). From the suggestions, I did look to see if any new loc was loaded - none. All my other locs are MFX and recognized immediately (the first time).

I have not disabled MFX (would not know how to) and so my attempts to manually load were a wild guess. As it is, the CS2 did not find that address (41 or 44). I will return the loc on Sunday. My guess (and just a guess) is that there is a problem with the MFX feature. Not sure what this means given their controller recognizes the loc.

My update to software 3.01 was successful. I did reboot two times (if not more) and 3.01 only showed as the current version after the last reboot. I had tried this update a few weeks back and it was unsuccessful (and the CS2 gave me that result). I noticed that my earlier efforts just resulted in the color boxes changing at the bottom of the screen. Yesterday, besides the colored boxes changing, there was information displayed showing files transferred (numbers, size and communication speed).

Thanks again. I'll update after I go back to the hobby store.

Harvey
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Offline H0  
#11 Posted : 04 January 2014 09:21:00(UTC)
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My guess (and just a guess) is that there is a problem with the MFX feature. Not sure what this means given their controller recognizes the loc.
A 6021 does not recognize any locos - it just sends MM commands to the address you enter.
With a CS2 you can also enter the address manually and it will also send MM commands to the address. But the loco will react only, if mfx is disabled in the controller (see link to screenshot below). So maybe the mfx sender in the loco is defective, the CS2 will not recognize it and it cannot be used (and you don't get any error message).
Maybe the dealer has at least an MS2 to test the mfx feature of the loco.

@Peter:
Somewhere in the intuitive and user-friendly GUI of the CS2 you will find this screen:
http://www.mist-owl.de/stummi/Protokoll.png
The label could be "Track" in English.
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Tom
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Offline clapcott  
#12 Posted : 04 January 2014 22:06:24(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post

@Peter:
Somewhere in the intuitive and user-friendly GUI of the CS2 you will find this screen:
http://www.mist-owl.de/stummi/Protokoll.png
The label could be "Track" in English.


Thanks Tom,

Had totally missed this drop-down (and any discussion about it).
Peter
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User is suspended until 24/11/2846 07:19:16(UTC) Bigdaddynz  
#13 Posted : 05 January 2014 04:56:15(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: clapcott Go to Quoted Post
How do you disable mFX on a CS2 ?


Originally Posted by: clapcott Go to Quoted Post
Had totally missed this drop-down (and any discussion about it).


Yikes, something about the CS2 that I knew that Peter didn't! It's a very handy feature - I often use it to enable DCC only when driving my G1 locos on Istein (locos are mfx, DCC and MM capable, but default to mfx).

Also useful when programming Viessmann signal modules, which need MM to be able to be programmed.
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Offline Harvey  
#14 Posted : 11 January 2014 02:52:10(UTC)
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My hobby store called on Thursday, my replacement 37045 arrived from Walthers. Picked it up on Friday. The CS2 recognized it immediately. Runs fine. I found a picture (site is called lokbilder and downloaded to my Icon folder. Next step is to upload the image. I only ran the loc for a few laps. Seems typical that on end connects to the coaches better than the other end. After two laps (and two derailments), I changed direction of the loc. Ran it for four laps and no problems BigGrin . I assume the first loc had a defective decoder. Just happy that my hobby store was able to switch this so quickly.

Regards

Harvey
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Offline Harvey  
#15 Posted : 30 January 2014 02:54:07(UTC)
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Harvey

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Sad Update

As posted in prior note, the 2nd 37045 was recognized by the CS2 and I ran it for a few minutes. Thought the problem was resolved.

Next day I turned on my CS2 and the 37045 did not light up or move. Thinking that the CS2 was getting confused by address 40 (between the first one I bought and the replacement), I returned the 2nd one and bought the 37852. Placed this on the tracks and turned on the CS2. It began to recognize the loc and began to load. Suddenly, it stopped and said it could not recognize the loc. So 'dead' loc.

Having issues with 3 locs suggests it is not the locs but the CS2. Puzzle is that I have 15 MFX loc's already loaded in the CS2 and they all run fine. I have no idea what screens to look at to determine if some setting is incorrect. Appreciate suggestions. I don't want to manually load locs as (even if I am successful) it doesn't solve the problem and I may 'break' something else'. May have to call Marklin support but reluctant to return the CS2 if I am not certain this is the problem (though difficult to see what else is given all the other locs run fine - no short).

I have written to Curtis (listed in a recent digital news letter as a resource) and he has suggested a few possibilities which have not panned out. But he is still giving it thought.

Maybe no more locs (and only more freight and passengers) for a while.

Would appreciate suggestions.

Regards

Harvey
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Offline Harvey  
#16 Posted : 01 February 2014 04:11:42(UTC)
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Harvey

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Update and success

On night 1, I had the 37852 (E 50) off the layout and was just running other locs. On the loc selection screen, I saw two choices at the top "all', " last used". I selected 'all' and the E 50 was displayed. So, even though the initial installation failed, enough was loaded that the loc showed. I selected this and only F0 to F7 selections appeared (instead of pictures and all 16 options). The loc ran fine. On this night, I could not figure out how to restore all the functions of the E50.

On night 2, I selected the wrench symbol and at the bottom of that screen I saw upd and rst. I selected upd and got the message that the decoder did not install successfully and do I want to retry. Selected yes but received a response that the update failed. I selected rst (restore factory settings). That worked. All the function symbols showed up and work. Restarted the CS2 and everything appeared.

The E50 runs really nice. Quite with out sound functions selected. Runs well at low speed. I do have to set speed setting at > 60% to get to a reasonable speed (but that is okay). Pulls my relatively long freight train on industrial (5120 M tracks) with no problems. I will switch this to my main freight line. Just need to decide which one to switch out.

So, in conclusion, the CS2 is having an issue loading locs but I (or Marklin's CS2) have a work around.

Regards

Harvey
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