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Offline efel  
#1 Posted : 27 July 2005 20:31:09(UTC)
efel

France   
Joined: 23/02/2005(UTC)
Posts: 800
Hi All,

Viessmann makes 2 series of HO light signals: the 400x and the 401x.
The basic signals (led only, no relay) such as 4001, 4002 ...are about twice the price of the corresponding 4011, 4012...

Anybody knows the reason? Is the 400x series is in metal and the 401x in plastic? Are wires hidden in 400x? ....??

Thanks for your answers!

Fred
Offline MärCo  
#2 Posted : 27 July 2005 21:04:16(UTC)
MärCo


Joined: 06/03/2005(UTC)
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Location: The Netherlands
Or ready built and kit ?
Absolutly AFB-NOHAB fan ;-)
Offline Lars Westerlind  
#3 Posted : 27 July 2005 22:08:53(UTC)
Lars Westerlind


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Location: Lindome, Sweden
Don't know either. Possibly because the cheaper is much more popular, meaning larger series...
/Lars
Offline rschaffr  
#4 Posted : 27 July 2005 22:56:17(UTC)
rschaffr

United States   
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Posts: 5,180
Location: Southern New Jersey, USA
I don't have my catalog with me (I'm on vacation this week) but according to what I see on various store sites, the 400x is the "compact type" whereas the 401x is the standard light configuration.
-Ron
Digital, Epoch IV-V(K-track/CS3/6021Connect/60216051), Epoch III(C-track/6021/6036/6051)
http://www.sem-co.com/~rschaffr/trains/trains.html
Offline Mikael  
#5 Posted : 28 July 2005 00:28:46(UTC)
Mikael

Denmark   
Joined: 10/09/2004(UTC)
Posts: 959
Location: Copenhagen, Denmark
Here is how I understand it:

The 400x is the new and modern type of signals, used today (please correct me if I'm wrong). They are all metal, which probably adds to the price. I've never had a 400x signals in my hands, so I don't know if the wires are hidden or not.
The 401x are the older generation german signals. The signal heads are made of plastic, but the lower part is metal.
Offline efel  
#6 Posted : 28 July 2005 01:26:39(UTC)
efel

France   
Joined: 23/02/2005(UTC)
Posts: 800
In fact, the 400x serie is called "compact type", but I don't know what that means (except the height: 73 instead of 79 mm)?
Looking at the "English version" on Viessmann site, I see that the 400x serie is in metal. This information was not on the French version I looked before!! That may explain the price difference!(You are right , Mikael)

Thanks to all for your answers

Fred
Offline Mikael  
#7 Posted : 29 July 2005 01:11:32(UTC)
Mikael

Denmark   
Joined: 10/09/2004(UTC)
Posts: 959
Location: Copenhagen, Denmark
By the way: Today I just had a closer look at a 4005 signal, and the wires are hidden in exactly the same way as the 401x signals. And while I was in the shop, I accidentally got myself a new trainset (totally unplanned, I swear) biggrin
Offline efel  
#8 Posted : 09 August 2005 18:48:58(UTC)
efel

France   
Joined: 23/02/2005(UTC)
Posts: 800
Hi All

I bought one 400x signal and one 401x .
400x signal are metal instead of plastic, but I must say it is not that obvious to see the difference!
One small difference, however, is in the caps ("Sonnenblenden" ) above the LEDs. In 400x case, caps are not only on the top of the diodes, but also, in part, on each side, (like new Marklin signals, and like the reality, I suppose).
But for my own point of view, I far prefer the 401x, with small cap: It is then possible to see the signal lights everywhere on the layout, without need to put your nose on the track for your eye to be in the right light axis wink.
Less realistic but more sparkling [:p]!

Fred

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