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hmsfix		#1 Posted : 22 May 2005 22:02:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/02/2005(UTC) Posts: 1,383 Location: Darmstadt,		Hi, Does anyone know what the correct rear lights on US freight trains are (or have been in era III) ? Simply a red lantern, or does it depend on train speed (someone claimed that) ? The UP caboose 45702 has 2 lights indicated at the roof cabin. It's challenging me to install a red LED here. Hans Martin
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5HorizonsRR		#2 Posted : 22 May 2005 23:05:52(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/12/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,975 Location: CA, USA		Hello, I believe with that era the UP used a single blinking red lantern in the center of the car's backside. When you say you have two do you mean one on each end? My caboose is about 1000 miles away at the moment so I have no reference!
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hmsfix		#3 Posted : 23 May 2005 00:41:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/02/2005(UTC) Posts: 1,383 Location: Darmstadt,		On each side of the caboose there is a pair of lights between the observation windows of the roof cabin. Since I have installed ski and mass contact in my UP caboose for cabin light it would be nice also to have rear lights. Blinking lantern is a very interesting info. I'll post a photo when it's ready. Thanks Hans Martin
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PierreGILLARD		#4 Posted : 23 May 2005 02:44:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/11/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,346 Location: Longueuil, Quebec		Hello, Here are some examples of what can be found on the American market : http://www.walthers.com/...lit=30&Submit=Search http://www.walthers.com/...lit=30&Submit=Search http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/800-1302 I hope this will be of use. The other day, I saw a CP Rail crew removing an EOT lantern; it seemed to be simply snaped and was removed in a few seconds. Pierre.
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hmsfix		#5 Posted : 23 May 2005 23:28:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/02/2005(UTC) Posts: 1,383 Location: Darmstadt,		Thanks, Pierre, for these nice links. Here comes the caboose with cabin light and red lantern. Only the blinking electronics is still missing. I have made the electric connections from thin copper strips glued to the walls and the bottom of the car and painted everything in the respective color. Lights mounted on a bridge inserted in the roof cabin. No wires hanging around, no drilling and cutting in the car. Hmm, some Preisers for the cabin, drinking illegal beer... finally US era II + III lives from that image [:I]. Hans Martin
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steventrain		#6 Posted : 23 May 2005 23:47:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,689 Location: United Kingdom		Execllent lights.overall 10/10.
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PierreGILLARD		#7 Posted : 24 May 2005 01:39:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/11/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,346 Location: Longueuil, Quebec		Nicely completed. Congratulations. You can also find caboose interiors in Walthers catalogue as well. And just for reference, picture of a prototype that I took at Old Sacramento, CA, in 1991 : http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=52629 Pierre.
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hmsfix		#8 Posted : 24 May 2005 02:49:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/02/2005(UTC) Posts: 1,383 Location: Darmstadt,		Thanks, thats a really beautiful museum car. The two lights at the roof seem to have different solors (red and green ?). Perhaps they also served not only as rear lights, but also to send signals to the engine. Hans Martin
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HueyCE		#9 Posted : 24 May 2005 05:46:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,528 Location: Groton, Connecticut		Nicely done Hans Martin Ira
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john black		#10 Posted : 24 May 2005 13:22:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Beautyful, Hans Martin - congratulations
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jerdenberg		#11 Posted : 24 May 2005 14:32:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/01/2005(UTC) Posts: 1,024 Location: Den Helder, Noord-Holland		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:The two lights at the roof seem to have different solors (red and green ?). Perhaps they also served not only as rear lights, but also to send signals to the engine. Could the lower light be plain white to function as "headlight" when the engine+caboose were backing up?
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PierreGILLARD		#12 Posted : 29 May 2005 06:31:13(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/11/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,346 Location: Longueuil, Quebec		Close-up on an EOT device : http://www.railpictures..../viewphoto.php?id=107318 Pierre.
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steventrain		#13 Posted : 29 May 2005 12:34:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,689 Location: United Kingdom		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by PierreGILLARD <br />Close-up on an EOT device : http://www.railpictures..../viewphoto.php?id=107318 Pierre. Thats cool!
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hmsfix		#14 Posted : 30 May 2005 01:49:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/02/2005(UTC) Posts: 1,383 Location: Darmstadt,		This EOT device looks rather complicated. Seems to have more functions than simply a red rear light. Radio controled, as it looks. My first idea was that it's for selling parking tickets. Hans Martin
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jerdenberg		#15 Posted : 03 July 2005 14:36:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/01/2005(UTC) Posts: 1,024 Location: Den Helder, Noord-Holland		Hi Hans Martin, The topic was started a while ago, but I just received the August(!) issue of Model Railroader where a Trix/Märklin caboose is revamped, including prototypical marker lights (note that the lights on the cupola have gone in this second version of the caboose; the marker lights are attached at the sides; the article says: "For a train running on the main line in the 1940s-1950s period, UP marker lights displayed red to the rear and green to the sides and front. ... definitive explanation of marker lights ... Fall 2004 edition of the UPHS Streamliner". Jeroen
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digilox1		#16 Posted : 03 July 2005 15:39:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/05/2003(UTC) Posts: 719 Location: ,		AFAIK, EOT`s, "End Of Train Devices" were introduced after the cabooses had become obsolete. Its main purpose, aside of signalling the end of a train, is triggering the air brake from the back of the train, if problems occur in the train line. The EOT is actuated per radio control. Regards, Manfred
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hmsfix		#17 Posted : 03 July 2005 22:12:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/02/2005(UTC) Posts: 1,383 Location: Darmstadt,		Hi Jeroen, Manfred Many thanks for your posts, very interesting news. Are there pictures from the new caboose design on the web ? Concerning End of Train devices it is plausible that they have to do something with breaking. I have red that on long freight trains several minutes may pass after triggering the air break until it responds on the last car. This is because of the enormous length of the air pipes. Hans Martin
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john black		#18 Posted : 04 July 2005 10:42:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by digilox1 <br />after the cabooses had become obsolete Alas. A freight train missing his caboose looks like a dog without tail ... [xx(]
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jerdenberg		#19 Posted : 05 July 2005 00:36:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/01/2005(UTC) Posts: 1,024 Location: Den Helder, Noord-Holland		Hans Martin, I tried to send you a link to a caboose scan, but the message bounced back? Jeroen
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hmsfix		#20 Posted : 05 July 2005 19:57:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/02/2005(UTC) Posts: 1,383 Location: Darmstadt,		Hi Jeroen, Thanks for your effort. I checked my e-mail address in the member profile, but it is right. Also my mailbox seems to work correctly. But actually, I also failed myself sending me an e-mail via the forum function. So I have now entered my office mail address to the profile. Please try again. Hope that it works now. Regards Hans Martin
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hmsfix		#21 Posted : 05 July 2005 20:03:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/02/2005(UTC) Posts: 1,383 Location: Darmstadt,		Hi Jeroen, Forgot something. Please don't send before tomorrow, I must activate changes when I am back in office tomorrow morning. Hans Martin
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jerdenberg		#22 Posted : 06 July 2005 19:08:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/01/2005(UTC) Posts: 1,024 Location: Den Helder, Noord-Holland		Hi Hans Martin, Hope the new attempt at providing a link worked today? Jeroen
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hmsfix		#23 Posted : 06 July 2005 20:04:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/02/2005(UTC) Posts: 1,383 Location: Darmstadt,		Hi Jeroen, I have now recieved the pictures successfully, thank you very much. It seems that the Caboose shown there is identical with mine in all details except the lights (and dc axles and couplers). It is very interesting to see all the variants. Hans Martin
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jerdenberg		#24 Posted : 07 July 2005 00:01:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/01/2005(UTC) Posts: 1,024 Location: Den Helder, Noord-Holland		Hi Hans Martin, Glad you liked the scans. I have removed the big one in the meantime (only 20MB home page). Jeroen
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hmsfix		#25 Posted : 04 August 2005 17:30:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/02/2005(UTC) Posts: 1,383 Location: Darmstadt,		Sorry, old thread, for waking you up. I have just found a very good description of the Caboose lights in http://hgh-esn.ath.cx/index_jsm_moba.htm (it's in German). Look under Umbauten (conversions) -> Märklin -> Caboose Essentially it is said that there were a red and a green rear light on the caboose. The red light is switched on as end light when the fright train is on the main track. However, the light is switched to green after the freight train has been shifted from the main line to a side track, in order to signal that the following train may pass by. Regards Hans Martin
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jerdenberg		#26 Posted : 06 August 2005 01:24:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/01/2005(UTC) Posts: 1,024 Location: Den Helder, Noord-Holland		Hi Hans Martin, Added that page to my MoBa folder for a quiet moment! Thanks for the link. Jeroen
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steventrain		#27 Posted : 06 August 2005 11:29:52(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,689 Location: United Kingdom		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by hmsfix <br />Sorry, old thread, for waking you up. I have just found a very good description of the Caboose lights in http://hgh-esn.ath.cx/index_jsm_moba.htm (it's in German). Look under Umbauten (conversions) -&gt; Märklin -&gt; Caboose Regards Hans Martin Good links but i will try in English with Babel Fish Translation.
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PierreGILLARD		#28 Posted : 27 June 2006 01:11:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/11/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,346 Location: Longueuil, Quebec		Sometimes, you can find EOT devices along the tracks : http://www.railpictures..../viewphoto.php?id=149090 Pierre.
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jonquinn		#29 Posted : 27 June 2006 05:19:38(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 1,591 Location: Pennsylvania		what EOT device? I didn't notice anything about trains on Pierre Gillard's link. my attention was diverted elsewhere. maybe that's also what caused the train crew to loose hold of the EOT blinker. (she doesn't show up every time)
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steventrain		#30 Posted : 27 June 2006 09:44:45(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,689 Location: United Kingdom		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by PierreGILLARD <br />Sometimes, you can find EOT devices along the tracks : http://www.railpictures..../viewphoto.php?id=149090 Pierre. What do the EOT stand for? Is it turnout motor?
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ulf999		#31 Posted : 27 June 2006 12:07:41(UTC) Retweet
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hmsfix		#32 Posted : 27 June 2006 12:52:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/02/2005(UTC) Posts: 1,383 Location: Darmstadt,		Piere, thanks for posting. Obviously someone lost this EOT device. How can one loose a EOT device Looks as if they are not very careful with theit property, perhaps they lost the whole End Of Train and not only the device, or the whole train ? [:I] Hans Martin
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john black		#33 Posted : 27 June 2006 19:45:38(UTC) Retweet
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steventrain		#34 Posted : 27 June 2006 20:45:02(UTC) Retweet
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Jeremy Palmer		#35 Posted : 29 June 2006 16:05:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/04/2005(UTC) Posts: 2,464 Location: St. Michael, Barbados		Morning All, I sent Hans Martin an e-mail with a website address I thought he might find interesting - and he did. So I thought I would post it here as others may find it interesting also. A big thank you to Stephentrain for sending it to me. www.gscalemad.co.uk Go to videos in the left column. Cheers for now. Jeremy.
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steventrain		#37 Posted : 29 June 2006 23:54:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,689 Location: United Kingdom		Excellent site.
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