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Danlake		#1 Posted : 09 October 2013 09:19:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/08/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,571		Hello fellow railroaders! I have been wondering if any users have experimented with alternative to avoid wheel slippage on locos. My observation is that the majority of dirt on the outer rail is due to the rubber tire being worn out and leaving a black smudge behind. So is there any (more last longing and maybe different material) tires on the market. Why e.g. is there no silicone tires? Or have users experimented in replacing the wheels with normal wheels and adding weight to the locomotive to avoid wheel slippage (I believe this is common practise on large scale locos)? I heard about the bull frog snot – any thought on that one? Brgds - Lasse
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Bigdaddynz		#2 Posted : 09 October 2013 11:27:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,764 Location: New Zealand		Originally Posted by: Danlake I heard about the bull frog snot – any thought on that one? I have some but am yet to try it! I think Ron Schaffr has used some on his Z scale locos and gave good reports of it.
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ozzman		#3 Posted : 09 October 2013 11:44:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,828 Location: Sydney, Australia		Bullfrog Snot is a silicon compound, I believe. I tried it on a couple of my Z scale locos and wasn't impressed.
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river6109		#4 Posted : 09 October 2013 15:49:22(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,874 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square		years ago I've tried to produce some adhesive tyres commercially but gave up the idea when I was told the price of each. Rubber although suitable in some ways isn't ideal for this application. any oil or grime will deteriorate the rubber compound very quickly. I don't think anybody else is producing tyres withstanding oil or grime. regards,. John
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witzlerh		#5 Posted : 09 October 2013 16:35:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2010(UTC) Posts: 417 Location: Sherwood Park, AB, Canada		Hmm. I wonder if Nitrile or Viton would work better? They are common O-ring material that resist most oils and are used in hydraulic cylinders. We would need to get some, freeze it and machine some tires to try out. If it is successful, then it is worth the cost of molds. Hmm. Perhaps some large diameter, tiny cross section o-rings are already available? I will ask my local seal vendor, I have a project at work requiring o-rings...
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river6109		#6 Posted : 11 October 2013 12:06:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,874 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square		Originally Posted by: witzlerh Hmm. I wonder if Nitrile or Viton would work better? They are common O-ring material that resist most oils and are used in hydraulic cylinders. We would need to get some, freeze it and machine some tires to try out. If it is successful, then it is worth the cost of molds. Hmm. Perhaps some large diameter, tiny cross section o-rings are already available? I will ask my local seal vendor, I have a project at work requiring o-rings... it is also the quantity and not just the mould. although it is a popular item and always thought after, would the price be a deterrent ? regards., John
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