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Offline Mike M  
#1 Posted : 14 September 2013 02:59:28(UTC)
Mike M

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Posts: 155
Location: Victoria B.C.
Anybody out there know what is causing this scenario. I have my staging yard working. Ie. Train pulls into siding one and then releases train in siding two and so on.I have four sidings. When a train goes into siding four it then releases the first train again. Problem is when the first train is released it goes in reverse.All of the other sidings work as planned.I am using the viessmann (5217 s88) and the Viessman 5213. I have contacted my retailer,Viessmann help line,marklin , and working with Lasse from the forum. We are all stumped. Could it be a faulty decoder or a faulty extension cable for the s88.

Anybody with some advice will be greatly appreciated.


Cheers Mike
Offline drwhitl  
#2 Posted : 14 September 2013 15:07:59(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Mike M Go to Quoted Post
Anybody out there know what is causing this scenario. I have my staging yard working. Ie. Train pulls into siding one and then releases train in siding two and so on.I have four sidings. When a train goes into siding four it then releases the first train again. Problem is when the first train is released it goes in reverse.All of the other sidings work as planned.I am using the viessmann (5217 s88) and the Viessman 5213. I have contacted my retailer,Viessmann help line,marklin , and working with Lasse from the forum. We are all stumped. Could it be a faulty decoder or a faulty extension cable for the s88.

Anybody with some advice will be greatly appreciated.


Cheers Mike


Let me take a wild guess here: You have a number of locos on the track such that the same loco always is parked on the same track?? In other words, it's not that track that's at fault, but rather you have a loco with a decoder that doesn't remember in which direction it was traveling last when power is restored, and it defaults to the wrong direction. Prove a point by reversing the loco end for end on the line.

If this is indeed the case, then try putting a 1500 ohm resistor across the 5213 contacts so that the "dead" track retains enough power to keep the decoder memory alive.

cheers
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Offline Mike M  
#3 Posted : 14 September 2013 15:49:54(UTC)
Mike M

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Location: Victoria B.C.
Originally Posted by: drwhitl Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Mike M Go to Quoted Post
Anybody out there know what is causing this scenario. I have my staging yard working. Ie. Train pulls into siding one and then releases train in siding two and so on.I have four sidings. When a train goes into siding four it then releases the first train again. Problem is when the first train is released it goes in reverse.All of the other sidings work as planned.I am using the viessmann (5217 s88) and the Viessman 5213. I have contacted my retailer,Viessmann help line,marklin , and working with Lasse from the forum. We are all stumped. Could it be a faulty decoder or a faulty extension cable for the s88.

Anybody with some advice will be greatly appreciated.


Cheers Mike


Let me take a wild guess here: You have a number of locos on the track such that the same loco always is parked on the same track?? In other words, it's not that track that's at fault, but rather you have a loco with a decoder that doesn't remember in which direction it was traveling last when power is restored, and it defaults to the wrong direction. Prove a point by reversing the loco end for end on the line.

If this is indeed the case, then try putting a 1500 ohm resistor across the 5213 contacts so that the "dead" track retains enough power to keep the decoder memory alive.

cheers


I have used different locos and they all do the same thing.Just on that one track,the other ones work perfect.Confused Confused



Offline Mike M  
#4 Posted : 14 September 2013 23:04:29(UTC)
Mike M

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Originally Posted by: Mike M Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: drwhitl Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Mike M Go to Quoted Post
Anybody out there know what is causing this scenario. I have my staging yard working. Ie. Train pulls into siding one and then releases train in siding two and so on.I have four sidings. When a train goes into siding four it then releases the first train again. Problem is when the first train is released it goes in reverse.All of the other sidings work as planned.I am using the viessmann (5217 s88) and the Viessman 5213. I have contacted my retailer,Viessmann help line,marklin , and working with Lasse from the forum. We are all stumped. Could it be a faulty decoder or a faulty extension cable for the s88.

Anybody with some advice will be greatly appreciated.


Cheers Mike


Let me take a wild guess here: You have a number of locos on the track such that the same loco always is parked on the same track?? In other words, it's not that track that's at fault, but rather you have a loco with a decoder that doesn't remember in which direction it was traveling last when power is restored, and it defaults to the wrong direction. Prove a point by reversing the loco end for end on the line.

If this is indeed the case, then try putting a 1500 ohm resistor across the 5213 contacts so that the "dead" track retains enough power to keep the decoder memory alive.

cheers


I have used different locos and they all do the same thing.Just on that one track,the other ones work perfect.Confused Confused





Originally Posted by: Mike M Go to Quoted Post
Anybody out there know what is causing this scenario. I have my staging yard working. Ie. Train pulls into siding one and then releases train in siding two and so on.I have four sidings. When a train goes into siding four it then releases the first train again. Problem is when the first train is released it goes in reverse.All of the other sidings work as planned.I am using the viessmann (5217 s88) and the Viessman 5213. I have contacted my retailer,Viessmann help line,marklin , and working with Lasse from the forum. We are all stumped. Could it be a faulty decoder or a faulty extension cable for the s88.

Anybody with some advice will be greatly appreciated.


Cheers Mike




Does anybody else have any ideas on this problem
Offline Hoffmann  
#5 Posted : 14 September 2013 23:38:33(UTC)
Hoffmann

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Location: Guelph, Ontario

hi,

Are you using a CS 2? If so check if you have it set on that Track for shuttle function.

Remember when you where looking at the Control from Germany this would not have happend.

Martin
marklin-eh
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Offline Mike M  
#6 Posted : 15 September 2013 00:17:33(UTC)
Mike M

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Location: Victoria B.C.
Originally Posted by: Hoffmann Go to Quoted Post

hi,

Are you using a CS 2? If so check if you have it set on that Track for shuttle function.

Remember when you where looking at the Control from Germany this would not have happend.

Martin


I will check that. I remember looking at that controller,asking him questions. Asking how he would like to get paid for this,and then he just dropped off the face of the planet.Haven't heard from him since then,and I think the web site is gone Confused

Cheers
Offline clapcott  
#7 Posted : 15 September 2013 01:45:36(UTC)
clapcott

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Location: Wellington, New_Zealand
Originally Posted by: Mike M Go to Quoted Post

... I have my staging yard working.
Ie. Train pulls into siding one and then releases train in siding two and so on.

I have four sidings.
When a train goes into siding four it then releases the first train again.

Problem is when the first train is released it goes in reverse.
All of the other sidings work as planned.

I am using the viessmann (5217 s88) and the Viessman 5213.

Cheers Mike


Hello Mike,
I confess to having problem understanding the environment around your layout, external to the staging yard and how that part operates

- Martin guessed you were using a CS2 and your reply inferred you were
- I am unsure from that same reply if you do have shuttle routines set up (deliberately or otherwise) and/or if they inter-operate with your general layout routine that involves the 4 trains in the staging sequence.
- and just to be clear, can you confirm that your locos are digital or analogue

- Denis suggestion about the resistor is aimed at addressing those locomotives with older decoders that do not retain their memory.
Can you please confirm ....
- Do you have these bleeder resistors installed
- If ALL the trains using Yard1 behave this way - or is it only some (you have indicated more than one). and do the locos that fail , fail every time
- If some, do those locomotives(decoders) relate to a particular age/generation
- how long does it take for a routine to run (from the time a train enters Yard1 and stops to the time a train enters Yard4 and triggers the Yard1 train to go again)

Generally speaking I see the following reasons why a loco will reverse
- Manually (Operator on Throttle)
- Controller (Only possibility for a CS2 is the shuttle option)
- Analogue Voltage - reverse pulse caused by crossover wiring (e.g. multiple power feeds with poor grounding. or poor isolation of a slowdown (braking) module sections.
- PC control.
A faulty s88 or k8x(dead section control) could not do this by itself, so I am wondering why you approached the Viessman help line - is there something else involved.

So other questions
- Please provide information on anything that involves unusual wiring, braking modules, combination Analogue/Digital wiring
- Do you use PC or wireless (iThingy) throttle
- Do you use the same power supply for all the yards - any chance that a pulse is generated because of diverse feeds or poor common grounding
- When you observer the "Direction Status", of the loco that reverses, on the controller - does it match ? (this may be unreliable if you are using older decoders)
- - If you DO see it change in line with the actual locos direction of movement please state WHEN. i.e. soon after it enters Yard1 and stops, When the Auxillary train enters Yard4, or sometime in bewteen.
Peter
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Offline river6109  
#8 Posted : 15 September 2013 03:57:49(UTC)
river6109

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Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square
I've got a Märklin a loco with a large C-sine (ÖBB 1016 = 39...) and it does the same, it reverses when starting off again in a breaking section by reversing the loco it stops doing it.

John
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Offline Mike M  
#9 Posted : 15 September 2013 06:03:47(UTC)
Mike M

Canada   
Joined: 01/01/2013(UTC)
Posts: 155
Location: Victoria B.C.
Originally Posted by: clapcott Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Mike M Go to Quoted Post

... I have my staging yard working.
Ie. Train pulls into siding one and then releases train in siding two and so on.

I have four sidings.
When a train goes into siding four it then releases the first train again.

Problem is when the first train is released it goes in reverse.
All of the other sidings work as planned.

I am using the viessmann (5217 s88) and the Viessman 5213.

Cheers Mike


Hello Mike,
I confess to having problem understanding the environment around your layout, external to the staging yard and how that part operates

- Martin guessed you were using a CS2 and your reply inferred you were
- I am unsure from that same reply if you do have shuttle routines set up (deliberately or otherwise) and/or if they inter-operate with your general layout routine that involves the 4 trains in the staging sequence.
- and just to be clear, can you confirm that your locos are digital or analogue

- Denis suggestion about the resistor is aimed at addressing those locomotives with older decoders that do not retain their memory.
Can you please confirm ....
- Do you have these bleeder resistors installed
- If ALL the trains using Yard1 behave this way - or is it only some (you have indicated more than one). and do the locos that fail , fail every time
- If some, do those locomotives(decoders) relate to a particular age/generation
- how long does it take for a routine to run (from the time a train enters Yard1 and stops to the time a train enters Yard4 and triggers the Yard1 train to go again)

Generally speaking I see the following reasons why a loco will reverse
- Manually (Operator on Throttle)
- Controller (Only possibility for a CS2 is the shuttle option)
- Analogue Voltage - reverse pulse caused by crossover wiring (e.g. multiple power feeds with poor grounding. or poor isolation of a slowdown (braking) module sections.
- PC control.
A faulty s88 or k8x(dead section control) could not do this by itself, so I am wondering why you approached the Viessman help line - is there something else involved.

So other questions
- Please provide information on anything that involves unusual wiring, braking modules, combination Analogue/Digital wiring
- Do you use PC or wireless (iThingy) throttle
- Do you use the same power supply for all the yards - any chance that a pulse is generated because of diverse feeds or poor common grounding
- When you observer the "Direction Status", of the loco that reverses, on the controller - does it match ? (this may be unreliable if you are using older decoders)
- - If you DO see it change in line with the actual locos direction of movement please state WHEN. i.e. soon after it enters Yard1 and stops, When the Auxillary train enters Yard4, or sometime in bewteen.


Thanks I got it working. It was my CS2 setup

Cheers Mike
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