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Hello all, Have any of you added aircraft models to your layout? There are some 1:87 scale kits to fit in but not too many? I am considering some 1:100 helicopter and small plane kits simple for the era offered and didn't want to be too off scale. Thank you. Roman
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Hi Roman,
Many building kits used with HO layouts are 1:100, so using this scale for aircraft would not look too much out of scale, especially if placed in the background. |
Ray
Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
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I agree with Ray . I have a 1/87 scale Fling Wing and it is far too big. 1/120 is even better if you find one otherwise 1/100 is fine. Nev. PS: OT what is the name given to the big nut that holds the rotor blades to the Rotor Shaft on a helicopter????  |
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Originally Posted by: nevw  PS: OT what is the name given to the big nut that holds the rotor blades to the Rotor Shaft on a helicopter????  If you fly helicopters - god My intention for that layout in my distant future is to have a aircraft museum, I have mostly 1:72 aircraft (one of my other hobbies) which will be way off scale but I am not too fussed about that. Doesn't make sense to me that the 1:87 models would be too big?
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Originally Posted by: Angus  Originally Posted by: nevw  PS: OT what is the name given to the big nut that holds the rotor blades to the Rotor Shaft on a helicopter????  If you fly helicopters - god My intention for that layout in my distant future is to have a aircraft museum, I have mostly 1:72 aircraft (one of my other hobbies) which will be way off scale but I am not too fussed about that. Doesn't make sense to me that the 1:87 models would be too big? They are and I will take a photo tomorrow and you can be the Judge. NN |
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Hi Neville
I'd appreciate the pic's but I believe you, it's just odd to me that in the 'correct' scale they're oversized. Mind you, I guess it's similar to the discussion about the passenger coach lengths that is being discussed on another thread.
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Originally Posted by: Angus  Hi Neville
I'd appreciate the pic's but I believe you, it's just odd to me that in the 'correct' scale they're oversized. Mind you, I guess it's similar to the discussion about the passenger coach lengths that is being discussed on another thread. A lot of HO stuff is not true 1:87, as mentioned earlier sometimes buildings are 1:100, and even the trains themselves can be incorrect scale sometimes to reach a good compromise. I wonder if this contributes to a 1:87 aircraft model looking too big? -Brandon |
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When I bought this Herpa model of the LH CRJ900 I did it with the intention of hanging it over the layout. It is scale 1/100. I have decided though just to display it on one of my shelves. Peter  petestra attached the following image(s):
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I think the fundamental problem with scale is that our home layouts by necessity are too small. A correctly sized aircraft does not look too big on a large layout like e.g. Loxx or Miniatürwunderland. It is the same with some correctly scaled buildings, or with correct length coaches on the very smallest layouts. Or with trees. On the other hand, an object with a too small scale may look awkward if it is placed adjacent to a more correctly scaled object, so it is a difficult balance.
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Back in the days Faller made lots of 1/100 military and commercial aircraft kits. And a "smaller than a cigarette size" motor too. Occasionally these planes and motors pop up on ebay. Photos are from the 1960 Faller catalog. Marco     |
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Originally Posted by: kweekalot  Back in the days Faller made lots of 1/100 military and commercial aircraft kits. And a "smaller than a cigarette size" motor too. Occasionally these planes and motors pop up on ebay. Photos are from the 1960 Faller catalog. Marco     Hi thanks for telling us about fallers aircraft kits! How did the motor thing in the last picture work. Can you explain. I might end up looking on ebay later! as i like the German bombers. I have a Marklin Swiss transport JU52 |
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Hi Dan, The tiny Faller airplane motors run on 3 to 6 volt AC and have a 5 meter long wire and a 3 blade propeller is included too. Which version do have of the Marklin Ju52 ? The original from 1935 or one of the replicas ? The replica from 1996 and 1999 have issues with the motors on the wings, that are in the wrong angle, I don't think the MHI 1980 Replika 1980 has this problem too. Marco   |
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Unmounted Faller aircraft kits are very regularly offered (a few per week) on (German) ebay. I thought the 1960's unmounted Faller airplane kits were rare, but they are quite common. The kits are usually sold for € 25 to € 30, which I find cheap (considering the 1960's Faller kits of houses / buildings are sold for € 75 to € 150). Last month: Faller Ju 52 € 22, Ju 87 5 25, Dernier € 29 , Me262, € 25, Piper 5 29,95 and a lot more. The Faller AC airplane motors are also easy available. Marco  |
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Is there any chance that the motor on the JU 52 is simply mounted upside down? |
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Hi Adrian, No, the problem is a wrong airfoil on the replica models, due to errors in the blueprints, the replica Ju52 was made in the Marklin factory in Hungary. When Marklin found out, the kits were already in the stores, but they didn't do a recall action. As we speak, a group of German Marklin Ju52 enthusiasts are studing on the problem and I believe they are going to make custom replacement wings. EDIT: BTW: I don't have a Marklin Ju52, I can't afford one. The 1930 original is very-very rare and super expensive (> € 2000) and even the replica's are sold for > € 300. Marco   |
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My dealer had a 1996 one in stock for years.. I was tempted to buy it, but I am glad that I resisted the temptation.. It would annoy me greatly to have the motors on the wing look like that one.. |
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I agree, it would have annoyed me too. Therefor some hang this poor replika high to the ceiling, so you can't see the tilted wingmotors. I have read that back in the days some people wrote letters to Marklin about the wing /motor problem and to this day, these letters have not been answered. I know this not only from hearsay. On a German forum is a big 8 pages Marklin Ju52 thread, but unfortunately it is protected/ hidden and only visible to registered members on that forum. So it is of now use if I post a link, because you can't still watch or read it. Marco  |
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Originally Posted by: kweekalot  Back in the days Faller made lots of 1/100 military and commercial aircraft kits. And a "smaller than a cigarette size" motor too. Occasionally these planes and motors pop up on ebay. Photos are from the 1960 Faller catalog. Marco     Now Dahlmann has taken over in re-making Faller kits. Thanks to all for your replies and opinions. Roman
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Originally Posted by: kweekalot  I agree, it would have annoyed me too. Therefor some hang this poor replika high to the ceiling, so you can't see the tilted wingmotors. I have read that back in the days some people wrote letters to Marklin about the wing /motor problem and to this day, these letters have not been answered. I know this not only from hearsay. On a German forum is a big 8 pages Marklin Ju52 thread, but unfortunately it is protected/ hidden and only visible to registered members on that forum. So it is of now use if I post a link, because you can't still watch or read it. Marco  Hi Marco I have the Swiss air ju 52 cat number 19801. I don't see the fault with my plane. still it is tin plate after all. I still think its great to have such a nice big old toy. These must have been a very expensive toy in the 30s. I got mine new when it was released. Dan |
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Originally Posted by: nevw  I agree with Ray . PS: OT what is the name given to the big nut that holds the rotor blades to the Rotor Shaft on a helicopter????  "Jesus' Nut !" Pierre.
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Here are some examples from Busch, Herpa and Wiking. I have an HO Roco MBB Bö-105 helicopter on a platform hauled by an Unimog (still have to assemble that kit ...) Walthers also produced an HO Douglas DC-3 in several liveries. Pierre.
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Originally Posted by: PierreGILLARD  Originally Posted by: nevw  I agree with Ray . PS: OT what is the name given to the big nut that holds the rotor blades to the Rotor Shaft on a helicopter????  "Jesus' Nut !" Pierre. Salut Pierre! Funny name and so true, knowing you fly those "things"! But AFAIR I have always heard it referred to officially as the "hub"... Cheers |
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Originally Posted by: RayF  Hi Roman,
Many building kits used with HO layouts are 1:100, so using this scale for aircraft would not look too much out of scale, especially if placed in the background. Many modelers use 1:87 scale kits in the foreground and 1:100 kits in the background. More distant objects are considered as "smaller" by the human eyes. Some even place a small gauge trains (N or Z scale) in the background a H0 gauge layout. So, where's the problem to do the same thing with aircrafts and helicopters? Regards, Florian |
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Originally Posted by: Frankenbahner  Originally Posted by: RayF 
Some even place a small gauge trains (N or Z scale) in the background a H0 gauge layout. So, where's the problem to do the same thing with aircrafts and helicopters?
Good point! It's call forced perspective. D
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Hi Paolo, FANTASTIC pictures !! The interior lighting in the airplane looks so good. I have the feeling now that I'm in the wrong hobby, and should swap to scale airplanes. Marco |
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Originally Posted by: kweekalot  Hi Paolo, FANTASTIC pictures !! The interior lighting in the airplane looks so good. I have the feeling now that I'm in the wrong hobby, and should swap to scale airplanes. Marco A modeler is a modeler in his whole meaning, so you can couple aircraft building with railroad landscape; it would be much easier if some firms like Herpa, Faller for instance would decide to sell 1/87 or 1/100 aircraft kits. Unfortunately Doyusha is going to convert its production toward 1/144 scale (the new 777, is only 1/144); they don't understand railroad layouts could open a wide market to airport buildings. kits and planes, too. Of course in 1/100 or 1/87 scale. Some positive perspectives derive from Dahlmann (Germany) and Anigrand (Hong Kong)
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Paolo, I've never seen anything like that. Have you made those seats yourself ? How ? Marco |
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Originally Posted by: kweekalot  Paolo, I've never seen anything like that. Have you made those seats yourself ? How ? Marco I made the prototype and a friend of mine the mold At present time we could do that easily by 3d printers
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